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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:36 AM
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Lieberman meets with Rumsfeld amid retirement speculation
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hosted Senator Joe Lieberman for a breakfast meeting today amid speculation that the Connecticut Democrat could be in line to succeed him.

Lieberman, who has emerged as President Bush's staunchest Democratic defender on the Iraq war, has bucked his party as a vocal advocate for Bush's Iraq policies.

He did not talk about the morning meeting with Rumsfeld and General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Lieberman aides provided few details about the breakfast, saying that their boss does not discuss private meetings.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=4222023&nav=3YeX
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:42 AM
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1. Such a deal.. Joementum gets a seat at the Big Table
there's one less dem in the senate. A republican senator gets appointed, and as an incumbent, probably will get really elected..Then Joe tags along with McCain in 08..

Draft Dave letterman for senate.. he's from CT:)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:17 AM
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27. I think this is the underlying strategy. One less Dem in the Senate -
sets us farther back in our attempts to take back that governmental body. Is Connecticut's governor a republi-CON? Then lieberman's replacement will be, also - not that he himself wasn't, in effect (or would that be - in sheep's clothing?). I watched some - not alot of - TV about it last night, and didn't hear this suspicion voiced. One would have thought it might come up during Olbermann's show, but it didn't.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:51 AM
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2. Could Jodie Rell appoint herself?
or Shays!!!!!!!!!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:06 AM
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3. It will be Shays..and he will get re-elected..
:(
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:33 AM
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12. There is Lowell Weicker!
Lieberman is a neocon and we don't need his ilk!
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:09 AM
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26. Shays vs. Weicker: Shays wins that
He will have an incumbency advantage. Shay's a a Northeastern Country-Club Republican who will attack DeLay occasionally and provide fodder for us, but he is not liberal and is barely moderate.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:00 PM
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29. Not so sure about that.
Weicker was very popular.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:05 PM
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31. When Weicker was Governor, he didn't seem popular
He was proverbially lynched for signing the income tax into law and his Lt. Governor lost her election bid to replace him in 1994 partly as a result (although 1994 was a good year for Republicans in general.) However, even having Shays in there for a few months is not a risk I'm willing to take. It also means that we have to spend money on a seat that should have been safe.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:14 AM
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4. Happened to catch bowtie Carlson talking about this
He was wondering what having Jomo there would do to the prayer meetings? :hide:

Is this really happening? I wouldn't put jomo in charge of the mop closet.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:25 AM
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5. Just for an instant I thought you meant that:
LIEBERMAN was retiring!
Sigh.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:44 AM
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6. Careful, Joe; you'll be co-opted and lose yourself
Periodically good men and women get sucked into this administration, and what happens to them isn't pretty. It's just too much of a deep-sea whirlpool.

But the proximity to power has got to be intoxicating, and the request to come in seductively flattering.

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Hekate
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:52 AM
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7. Good bye, asshole!
Stop the pretense of being a Democrat and follow the well worn path followed by such former "Democratic" heroes like Zell Miller, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Richard Shelby, etc.

Lieberman's defection to the Bush regime will be blamed on progressives by the dozen or so of the Lieberman apologists in this board.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:53 AM
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8. What else do you expect from Joementum Losermann ?
A complete sellout that's what

There are lots of Gold Star Mothers who hate this fuckers guts.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:22 AM
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28. You don't have to be a Gold Star Mother to find him despicable.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 11:23 AM by calimary
I find his repeated siding with the enemy unconscionable, and I'm not personally afflicted by the war by any means - just spiritually and emotionally. I wish he'd gone awhile ago. A Dem seat is worth nothing if that Dem repeatedly and relentlessly votes with the republi-CONS, and refuses to see reason, or represent his party. Why the hell did Gore pick him, anyway? Any friend of georgie's is no friend of mine. If he goes, GOOD RIDDANCE!!!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:06 AM
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34. I agree--- but Gold Star Mothers
Have a more deeply seated, recent reason, to despise this evil opportunist and coward
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:46 AM
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9. If he's going, kick him out of the party first. Sure, we wind up with a
R-Felon in the seat, but if he's going to SoD anyhow, we've already lost that seat. Make sure we take away the "even the Democrats are joining us" spin, before it happens.

When it all comes crashing down, the options are we get to say "We couldn't stand the dumbass and threw him out of the party, no Democrat he" OR we listen to "We gave the job to a Dem and look how badly they fucked it up, vote Rethug" from the spin meisters.

And if JoeMentum always takes his Sen seat with such huge margins, then we can re-take the seat at election time. Right now, only the most koolaid addicted want to vote for a ReThug.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:06 AM
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25. I've read things saying moveon is considering supporting a challenger. nt
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 11:08 AM by Wordie
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:48 AM
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10. What a mistake not to have driven pro-war, pro-censorship Joe...
... from the party long ago instead of making him one of its central figures.

Still, it's comforting to imagine him going down in ignominy with the rotten Bush administration. Maybe CT can get a Democrat for a change.
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DaveColorado Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:25 AM
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11. Fuck you Joe
Piece of shit.

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:36 AM
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13. He can use the position to launch his "war on video games" in America
With friends like Joe and Hillary...
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:51 AM
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14. CNN reporting last night that this was not the case
that Rummie was not leaving, and that Lieberman (or a spokes-person for him) has said that he would not be replacing him.

As to whether or not this is true, I have no idea. Personally, I find it pretty hard to believe that shrub would replace rummie with a democrat, regardless of how much support said democrat has given him.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:12 AM
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15. It would be the kiss of death for Lieberman, like it was for
Colin Powell.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:06 PM
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32. I agree.
Being the Secretary of Defense is a tough job. Just ask Don RumsFailed. He's been the BUTT of whatever's gone wrong with this war. But the old bird is tough, though, he's hung in there longer than I thought he would.

So why would Loserman even want the job? The war in Iraq is not going to get better. It's only going to get worse. Joe is not hugely popular. In fact, I've never seen so many hostile responses to threads about him here on the DU. They're usually a mile long.

The only person who gets more hate is Bush.

So Liarman is stupid if he takes the job.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:19 AM
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16. The Kiss
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:13 AM
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17. Anyone thought of this?
Anyone wondering just how great it's going to be to have an Orthodox Jew conducting the War on Islam, er, I mean the War on Terror?

That ought to go over well in the Muslim countries we are trying to get to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have nothing against the fact that he is an Orthodox Jew, but "jeebus", think about how this will be spun in the Middle East and Africa!!!!

People that were, are, and might be our friends will use this appointment to recruit even more Jihadist and suicide bombers. This might even cause the Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds, and even the Taliban to put aside their differences and join together against what they will perceive as the 21ST Century Crusade. If the ultimate goal of this mis-administration is to have a war against Islam, this may just be the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back.

His religion "should not" have an impact on this appointment, but that does not mean that it "will not".

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:20 AM
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18. Yes but quite frankly
a) it could not be worse than what we have now;
b) the shithead would be out of his senate seat and could be replaced by an actual progressive.

Buh-bye jomentum. See ya.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:56 AM
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20. and for those two reasons I'm glad to see him go.....nt
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:40 AM
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19. pure power - WANTED!
sad sad day joe
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:22 AM
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21. Makes me wondering what must be going through Gore's mind
at this moment. Could it be, "I chose him to be my VP...what was I thinking?"?!

Dave Letterman for Senator from CT...that could work!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:28 AM
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22. Now they can blame the loss of the Iraq war on Democrats
How conveeenient.

:mad:
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:24 AM
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23. Putting a Jewish, Isreali operative in charge...
...of Amerika Krazy Krusade in the Islamic world???? Are the Republicans so blindly insane? Do they have that much gall??
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:54 AM
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24. Yep. With Joey boy there it will be Iran's turn to beat the US. nt
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:59 PM
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30. Israel Nr. 1 With Lieberman
Joe has long put the welfare of Israel over whatever loyalty he had to the democratic party, and the U.S.
bush's neocons, who are essentially running our foreign policy ( what there is of one ), and holy joe are a perfect fit - survival of Israel is their nr. one priority. Eventually, WW III will break out in this region; what we are doing in the region at present just might even be the start of said war.
As long as bush and the neocons stay in power, we ain't seen nothing yet. The history books, contrary to what little george seems to think, will not be kind to this administration.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:42 PM
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33. Sign the petition:
From Democracy for America:

Earlier this week while discussing the war in Iraq, Senator Joseph Lieberman
said, "It`s time for Democrats who distrust president Bush to acknowledge he`ll
be commander-in-chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war
we undermine Presidential credibility at our nation`s peril."

Unfortunately, President Bush has no credibility. His administration misled our
nation into war in Iraq on trumped-up charges of weapons of mass destruction.
His stay-the-course strategy has led to over 2,100 American deaths. And no one
sees an end in sight.

It is disturbing enough that Senator Lieberman remains one of the president`s
biggest cheerleaders. But his call for opponents of the president`s failed
policy to keep quiet is outrageous.

The only way we will end this war is by having an honest debate about how and
when we can bring our troops home.

Join me in sending Senator Lieberman an open letter asking him to join the
majority of Americans in questioning the Bush administration`s Iraq policy:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/telljoe

If Americans don`t challenge a president who is bankrupting our treasury,
damaging our moral leadership in the world, and jeopardizing our national
security then we are failing our democracy.

Please co-sign the letter today.

Jim Dean of DFA will be delivering this to Looserman's office next week.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:31 AM
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35. Done
Not that I really have much hope it'll do any good - Joe's too beholden to his riight-wing corporate masters to ever willingly serve the public good, but it's worth a shot.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:00 AM
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36. Whydoesn't he just join Arial Sharon's team. It would be more direct.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:26 AM
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37. the good thing about loserman
not being in the senate is that we can have a democrat coalition without him ruining it.
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