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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 PM
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US Delegation Walks Out Of Climate Talks - NYT
MONTREAL, Dec. 9 - Two weeks of treaty talks on global warming neared an end today with the world's current and projected leaders in emissions of greenhouse gases, the United States and China, still refusing to take any mandatory steps to avoid dangerous climate change.

The Bush administration was sharply criticized by other governments and by environmental groups for walking out of a round of informal discussions shortly after midnight that were aimed at finding new ways of curbing gases.

"This shows just how willing the U.S. administration is to walk away from a healthy planet and its responsibilities to its own people," said Jennifer Morgan of the World Wildlife Fund.

American officials declined to comment Thursday afternoon on their actions. They released a printed statement, but it referred only to the expected visit and speech later today by former President Bill Clinton.

EDIT

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/international/americas/09cnd-climate.html
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:52 PM
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1. They can walk but they can't hide
and when more of the coast line is sinking into the sea, they might head back to the table again.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:55 PM
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5. signing a treaty is not going to reverse that though
n/t
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:13 PM
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8. Yes, it's so sad ...but getting on board with the treaty might indicate
a genuine change in perspective-- a mindset that looks for solutions & effort to bring creativity top problems can make a huge difference.

So long as we are trying to deny the problem, there is no hope. If the US had the courage and leadership to face the challenges of global warming, perhaps solutions could be conceived.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:24 AM
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17. No, that won't do.
They have to pay the price NOW - they can't be cloistered away somewhere, immune to the effects of their actions. Here and now they have to face the consequences. I want instant karma for them.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:53 PM
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2. I don't care how rich you are. You can't live without clean air and water.
eom
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:18 PM
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14. no...but at least if you are rich you could BUY it...
as opposed to the rest of us.

Besides, think of the investment opportunities if you had to purchase your daily allotment of oxygen.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:54 PM
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3. la la la la la
We can't hear you... and even though we can't hear you we are taking our ball and going home.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:54 PM
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4. My favorite part of the story
Environmental groups distributing whoopee cushions with Bush's picture on them - just above the slogan "Emissions Accomplished".

:evilgrin:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:55 PM
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6. ROFL, this is bush's equivalent of "Whaaaaaaaa, we are not
getting our way so we are going to throw a tantrum". Pathetic, truly pathetic.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:55 PM
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7. Walked? What, did they leave the Hummer in Iraq? I feel sorry for them.
No American walks. Ever! It's our birth right.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:01 PM
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12. no, they drove off in a vintage 1937 Snit ...
Which they had left parked 'round back.

By the way -- your comment is one of the funniest ones I've seen this week!
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:07 AM
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19. I think "vintage 1937 Snit" it pretty dang funny, too.
:thumbsup:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:14 PM
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9. Murikkkans don't need no stinkin Science! We got us our Bible!
:sarcasm:
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:20 PM
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10. I heard they are pissed
because Clinton will be speaking at the conference and they're
jealous or something. Pigs that they are.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:52 PM
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11. Clenis envy.
It must hurt pretty badly when the last Good Guy in charge shows up unexpectedly and then proceeds to show YOU up, bigtime. Well deserved, too.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:05 PM
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13. there seem to be a lot of American groups/experts there ...
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 04:06 PM by Lisa
I heard from my landlord, who just got back from the conference. (He is kicking himself for leaving early, because he would really have liked to hear Clinton!) Lots of local and state people who are keen to support the process. If the New England reps are doing what they did last year in Argentina, making emission trading deals with the EU -- the "official" delegation is probably seething with rage already! Having Clinton show up and tell them, to their faces, that they are WRONG ... this is the cherry on the dessert!

So many people are going behind Bush's back on this one, it's a wonder there is any room left back there!
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:02 AM
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18. You got it. "Bush Threatens U.N. Over Clinton Climate Speech" :
Bush-administration officials privately threatened organizers of the U.N. Climate Change Conference, telling them that any chance there might’ve been for the United States to sign on to the Kyoto global-warming protocol would be scuttled if they allowed Bill Clinton to speak at the gathering today in Montreal, according to a source involved with the negotiations who spoke to New York Magazine on condition of anonymity.

Bush officials informed organizers of their intention to pull out of the new Kyoto deal late Thursday afternoon, soon after news leaked that Clinton was scheduled to speak, the source said.

The threat set in motion a flurry of frantic back-channel negotiations between conference organizers and aides to Bush and Clinton that lasted into the night on Thursday, and at one point Clinton flatly told his advisers that he was going to pull out and not deliver the speech, the source said.

“It’s just astounding,” the source told New York Magazine. “It came through loud and clear from the Bush people—they wouldn’t sign the deal if Clinton were allowed to speak.” Clinton spokesman Jay Carson confirmed the behind the dustup took place and that the former president had decided not to go out of fear of harming the negotiations, but Carson declined to comment further.

cont'd...
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/15314/index.html

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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 03:57 PM
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25. so are they blaming Canada, or blaming Clinton?
One moment they're claiming that they're upset with the "global conscience" comment in Paul Martin's speech. Now they're saying it's all Clinton's fault.

If they're going to play the blame game, they should at least get their stories straight. (Maybe the next complaint will be that the caterers forgot to provide blueberry muffins, so that ruined everything!)
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:26 AM
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15. I assume that means that this years Hurrincanes and thier inability
to handle the destruction such caused isn't important enough to dwell on.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:17 AM
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16. Well that's mature.
Aren't we supposed to be relieved that the "grown-ups" are in charge now?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:38 AM
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20. Listening to the speech right now - great!
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 10:39 AM by robbedvoter
"make NOLA the first Green City"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4512696.stm
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 03:58 PM
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26. Thank you so much for the video link! Boy, I miss President Clinton!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:08 PM
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21. Pollution is terrible in China these days
A friend recently traveled there and spoke of how bad it was.

Their rate of breast cancer incidence has increased four-fold in the last few years and its not hard to figure out why.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:18 PM
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22. The bully to the principal's office.
I can offer therapy.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:20 PM
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23. kicking
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 03:05 PM
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24. Let the Bushco delegation walk out....
...Bill Clinton and Al Gore represent America when it comes to environmental issues. They are the true American representatives in exile.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 04:09 PM
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27. Yet another disgrace to our once great Nation.
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 04:10 PM by tabasco
How will our friends forgive us for allowing his criminal cabal to gain control of our country?

We have become very similar to the former USSR.

The super-rich who control our Nation care only about obtaining more money and power.

Money truly is the root of all evil. That is quite clearly demonstrated by the super-rich who control the US government.

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