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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:24 AM Original message |
$6.50 a pack for cigarettes if tax passes (California) |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. I heard this song and dance when the tobacco lawsuits were popular |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. In WI they used the money to build prisons |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
40. We really have wasted a huge amount of money on prisons in this state. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. They bought Stanley from the CCA |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
85. Prisons are seen as a growth industry in OK |
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Kindigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. If I had to choose |
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insane_cratic_gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'm glad I quit |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. I'm glad you quit too |
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Scairp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Good for you |
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Milspec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. What will it take? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
78. No |
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mike6640 (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
75. so glad. |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
4. The lovely thing about this, |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. It's not the taxing of cigs that bothers me much.... |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. How can you say it's a lie? |
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da_chimperor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Given the fact that the state of California is heavily indebted . . . |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. it will pass here in CA-we're always paying down the debt... |
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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You called it Katty |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. "you can't call it a lie before it's even implemented" |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. California history teaches us |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Don't blame smokers. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. Oh, c'mon. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. The unlovely thing is that tobacco taxes are regressive |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Thank you for saying that & I'll add a bit more |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Simple solution. Don't buy tobacco. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Here are some other simple solutions |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 08:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Anything that negatively affects society should be taxed. |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:24 AM Response to Reply #64 |
80. better solution, buy tobacco, roll your own |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. I call BS as to where the tax money will go |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
6. I don't think our government needs that money. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Taxing addicts is kind of like taxing patients for their medicine... |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. State money doesn't buy bombs. N/T |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Oh. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
9. Sometimes California is smart and sometimes they aren't |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
11. roll your own |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
12. Im still on the fence on this.. |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Smokers risk their own lives.... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. we HAVE to do this -- it's for the Children! |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I venture a very small percentage |
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Kixel (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. If all smokers quit... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. I'm not a smoker, but I loathe seeing people picked on and scapegoated... |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
72. Well said... |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
48. Thank you. |
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keta11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. That is nothing. I used to pay $7.50 per pack in |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. Good thing we're quittin'! |
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Brundle_Fly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Here in Canada |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They were five pounds in Aberdeen |
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Kixel (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. Right there with you... |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
19. Good. Cheap tabbaco enables children to smoke. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Curtail BUYING of ciragettes |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
83. I challenge your notion |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. In OK, they are behind counters or locked up to prevent |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Not a "try"..merely an observation |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm glad I quit way back when! |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
22. If they do that |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Well your state might come calling. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Yes, you can do it forever... |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
81. Very patriotic of you. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 02:36 AM Response to Reply #81 |
99. Whatever, dude... |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. There's no records to subpoena |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
82. It's still tax evasion. |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
27. Here's the lie in this, they tax smokers to raise money for social causes |
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freestyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Exactly. "Sin" taxes only make money if people keep "sinning" |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
88. In all honesty, its the only chance we have |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
29. This is another turd pie in the sky |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
31. this is denying the right of the poor to the addiction of their choice, i |
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Sven77 (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
33. less tax on the poor |
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Dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
35. Good. n/t |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'm a smoker, and I support this. (nt) |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. Now if only, |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. oh darn...nt |
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Ron Mexico (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. universal children's health insurance, emergency-room care, prevention... |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. They will never spend the $$$$$$$$$$$$on this |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
51. Oh Well................ |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
53. Why does anyone smoke knowing the harm it does? |
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pinniped (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
54. You could take an eye out with those things. |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
57. This is insanity! n/t |
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MsUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
61. Boy am I glad I quit......226 days and counting. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Bad Public Policy |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Congrats on being nicotene-free!!! YAY!! n/t |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
67. outrageous and ridiculous. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
68. In other words it will be cheaper for smokers to buy street drugs. |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:58 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. What a wacky post |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
98. "And then you jump from smokers to Muslims???" |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
69. Great time to quit! Put the money you save away for something great.. |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
73. Well it appears you can buy cigarettes online. |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
74. I quit last Feb. |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
76. Bullshit. Tax the boozers instead. They are a bigger health risk. |
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mechanical mandible (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:00 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Liberals like Big Government just like Republicrats |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Alcohol is taxed |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. So are cigarettes already taxed! Raise the booze tax instead! |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Because you smoke but you don't drink? |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. I do neither. I just think it's unfair that smokers always take the hit. |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
86. $4750/year for the 2 pack a day folks. |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. that is cheap, a two years supply of pot would cost you more... |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Don't they worry about the crime rate? |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Then I wouldn't be wanting a boat... n/t |
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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Hardly......... |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
92. I'd be all for it, if they used the revenue responsibilly.....(more) |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
96. Good, I'll vote YES on it. nt |
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NIGHT TRIPPER (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 02:57 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. I'll vote for it- -addictive poison-death- disease- tax hard & tax often |
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Sin (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
101. Cool :) |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
102. Say, it's getting were it would be profitable to smuggle cigarettes |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 05:13 AM Response to Original message |
103. no more fucking propositions! please! i'm getting tired! |
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