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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:23 PM
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Bush says wrestled with decision to invade Iraq (for months)
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 04:24 PM by sabra

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-12-16T211416Z_01_KNE676438_RTRUKOC_0_US-BUSH-IRAQ.xml&archived=False

Bush says wrestled with decision to invade Iraq

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush said on Friday that he wrestled for months over the decision to go to war in Iraq but that he remains convinced it was the right decision.

...

"I'll never forget making the decision in the Situation Room, and it affected me," he was quoted as saying in the transcript of the interview for "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer."

"I got up out of the chair and walked around the South Lawn there and I thought, you know, I knew the decision I had just made -- by the way, that I had been wrestling with for months -- was the right decision," Bush said.

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Bush acknowledged on Friday there was no evidence of such a link.

"There was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the attack of 9/11," Bush said. "I've never said that and never made that case prior to going into Iraq."


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:24 PM
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1. He doesn't care about anyone killed there
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 04:24 PM by saigon68
He only cares about corporate profits
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:25 PM
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2. Big fat BS on that
He was wrestling with how he could sell it and get away with it. Cockroach.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:25 PM
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3. He did, however, say that Saddam and Al Qaeda were linked.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:26 PM
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4. Oh, bullshit - he was creaming his pants during the campaign
and had his plans already drawn up to invade Iraq.

If he ever did "struggle for months" about the invasion, it was in 1999 or earlier.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:26 PM
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5. Liar.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:26 PM
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6. Oh. bullshit
Cheney was gleeful when he asked staffers and others to find ways to connect al-Quaeda with Iraq. That was already established that the neocons were looking for ways to invade Iraq for months. What utter bullshit. * is a fucking liar once again.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:26 PM
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7. Oh, puleeeeeeez..........
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:29 PM
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8. Yeah, maybe so. BUT he didn't say what year he agonized over it. n/t
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:30 PM
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9. huhuhuhuhuh "wrestle"
From a memorable (aren't they all?) Beavis and Butt-head episode:

Mr. Van Driessen: Being in the captivity of nature without women is the perfect way to wrestle with your manhood.
Butt-head: Beavis wrestles with his manhood.
Beavis: Heh-heh... Yeah, and I usually win.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:30 PM
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10. So when his staff says it and he doesn't shut them up it's okay?
Using Iraq and 9/11 in the same sentence over and over and over again during multiple SOTUs and that's not creating a connection?

That asshole. We don't need to look any farther than PNAC to know that he's a liar.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:30 PM
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11. Starting in 1998?
I betcha.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:36 PM
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16. Considering that
He was looking to tie 9-11 to Iraq within a week after it, even after the attacks had been pinned on al-Qaeda, you're not so far off.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:31 PM
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12. Yah. But WHICH months? n/t
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:31 PM
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13. Revisionist meglomaniac Liar!
* wrestled with when to say, what he had already decided, before he ever stole Florida from Al Gore via SCOTUS. May bush have an asterisk after his name in every history book for the duration of America. His legacy is built for, made by and consists of Lies that have killed People, Justice and the American Way. Why would anybody believe anything this Liar in Chief says!:wtf:
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:34 PM
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14. Uh huh, sure he did.
:nopity:

Dubya's in deep shit and it might just be sinking in.
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:34 PM
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15. Bush says wrestled with decision to invade Iraq for months prior to 9/11?
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:12 PM
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26. Yeah... mmmm... exactly which months would those be?
The timeline is pretty screwy then.
Would he be so kind as to lay it out for us?
Otherwise, heaven forbid... is this just another crude attempt at ... dare I say... bolstering his numbers through PITY?
We're (or rather the Unblinking public) is supposed to buy this load of manure and feel sorry for him? Like... poooooor Bushy...he had to make a hard decision.

Some seniors have to make tough decisions: drugs or food.
Some families will have to make hard decisions this winter: heat or food.
Some soldier's families have had to make tough decisions: burial or cremation.

And the beat goes on.

So, which months were these, you lying sack of shit?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:37 PM
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17. What an idiot!
"I've never said that and never made that case prior to going into Iraq."

I know Bush lives in a bubble, but you'd think one of his cronies would have told him by now about TiVO, VCRs, and internet video streaming.

Bush and his buds are still living in a world where you can say whatever you want, and assume PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN IT when you say something different.

Welcome to the 21st Century, Neo-Cons -- where every word you've ever said is available 24/7, and can't be UNDONE.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:38 PM
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18. What a MAJOR load of crap!!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:38 PM
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19. Wasn't it Richard Clark who was present when * pounded his sapien
fist on his desk when meeting about what to do about 9-11 and demanded, "Iraq! Find me information about Iraq being behind 9-11!"
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:39 PM
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20. BS! His brain is too flaccid to wrestle with anything!!! n/t
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:56 PM
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21. Did he say they were linked?

He inferred it by saying blah blah Saddam blah blah 9/11 blah blah al Qaeda. but did he actually say they were linked?

I know Cheney did.

If so, he's more than busted and he'll choke on the words.

Anyone have video or audio on him saying it?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:58 PM
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22. "Feels good!"
George W. Bush
March 19th, 2003 (The night before the invasion)
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:02 PM
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23. like everyone else said, bullshit
He was trying to think up an excuse to attack before he even got elected. What a lying prick the useless little punk is.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:05 PM
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24. *blank stare*
:rofl:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:08 PM
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25. BS. He took about 5 minutes to make the decision.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:12 PM
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27. Talk about rewriting history
I seem to remember the alleged Saddam/Al Quaeda link was one of the most frequently cited justification for war by just about every high-ranking administration official.

Bush is simply lying now.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:18 PM
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28. "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out"
Another day, another lie.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:24 PM
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30. he wrestled for months on how he was going to "sell" this war
to the public...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:39 PM
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35. Words said by George "I'm above the law" Bush in March, 2002!
The "months" he referred to would have been from September 12, 2001, to March 2002--hardly time for much "soul searching."

http://cnn.allpolitics.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=CNN.com+-+First+Stop%2C+Iraq+-+Mar.+24%2C+2003&expire=-1&urlID=5798268&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2003%2FALLPOLITICS%2F03%2F24%2Ftimep.saddam.tm%2F&partnerID=2001

First Stop, Iraq

By Michael Elliott and James Carney

How did the U.S. end up taking on Saddam? The inside story of how Iraq jumped to the top of Bush's agenda --and why the outcome there may foreshadow a different world order

"F___ Saddam. we're taking him out." Those were the words of President George W. Bush, who had poked his head into the office of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

It was March 2002, and Rice was meeting with three U.S. Senators, discussing how to deal with Iraq through the United Nations, or perhaps in a coalition with America's Middle East allies. Bush wasn't interested. He waved his hand dismissively, recalls a participant, and neatly summed up his Iraq policy in that short phrase.

The Senators laughed uncomfortably; Rice flashed a knowing smile. The President left the room. A year later, Bush's outburst has been translated into action, as cruise missiles and smart bombs slam into Baghdad.

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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:02 AM
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55. Citation for that quote follows the date is interesting
As he marched the nation to war, Bush presented himself as a Christian man of peace who saw war only as a last resort. But in a remarkable though little noted disclosure, Time magazine reported that in March 2002 – a full year before the invasion – Bush outlined his real thinking to three U.S. senators, “Fuck Saddam,” Bush said. “We’re taking him out.”

Time actually didn’t report the quote exactly that way. Apparently not to offend readers who admire Bush’s moral clarity, Time printed the quote as “F--- Saddam. We’re taking him out.”

Bush offered his pithy judgment after sticking his head in the door of a White House meeting between National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and three senators who had been discussing strategies for dealing with Iraq through the United Nations. The senators laughed uncomfortably at Bush’s remark, Time reported.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:22 PM
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29. Oh please
this is nothing more than psy ops and marketing. Our dear megalomaniac president "struggled" and it is just plain bullshit.

He wanted Iraq and if he indeed "struggled" he should now be impeached for coming to the wrong moral conclusion that it was the "right thing to do"

He LIED after coming to this great
struggle. Does he not realize he LIED? He is going down big time and now we get the propaganda and next

Laura Bush will be trotted out to proclaim that he spent many a sleepless night "struggling' with this great decision to slaughter tens of thousands of innocent people.

Just like he spent many a sleepless night struggling wiht the the stem cell decisions

Look you jerk, we aren't buying this marketing crap anymore. Take your self serving, sensational photo ops that show you as a messiah and show them to your grandchildren. You have wrecked everything that was ever good. It will take a generation or more to repair the damage you have done in your insanity.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:27 PM
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32. How about jr's struggle while a noose tightens around that pencil neck
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:27 PM
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31. That lying sack of shit!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:29 PM
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33. keep telling those lies George
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 05:29 PM by CountAllVotes
they aren't helping you no mo boy.

Go on home would ya and take that bottle of Jim Beam w/ya PLEASE!

and take your damn lying mouth with ya.

:puke:

:kick:
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:37 PM
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34. Liar liar liar

n/t
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:39 PM
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36. Yeah...I believe he wrestled for months
over what day to invade. The rest was already pre-determined before he enetered office.

As to his big lie..."I've never said that and never made that case prior to going into Iraq."
Man...did the interviewer call him on that, or did that person just sit there beathing throuh his/her mouth.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:57 PM
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37. he did not!
he jacked off, then made the call, took him a couple of minutes!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:07 PM
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38. What a fucking, lying bastard.
"He never made the case that Saddam Hussein was involved with the attack of 9/11." Bullshit! He was making speeches for months in which he kept saying "Saddam" and "9/11" in the same breath over and over again. He was doing everything he could to link the two things in people's minds without overtly stating that they were linked, just so he couldn't be accused of "technically" lying when the truth came out.

The only thing he wrestled with in this decision was the process of getting a coherent thought together in his head. Same thing that he wrestles with when he makes the decision to use the toilet.
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:17 PM
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39. Total fucking bullshit
That guy had a bead drawn on Iraq and he announced it to the world in the 2002 State of the Union; that speech was his Mein Kampf (fucker is too lazy to write).
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:18 PM
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40. Oh, poor baby. He was so affected that lacerates ran down his cheeks.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:36 PM
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41. Pathological miscreant liar. n/t
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:44 PM
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42. Sounds exactly like a wife-beater
the morning after.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:52 PM
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43. My first thought was
"what EVER"! low life POS!
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:12 PM
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44. He musta really beat himself up over it--
That must be where all his facial scars come from. He just kept slamming his face into the wall because of it.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:13 PM
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45. junior wrestled with himself reminds of that scene from
"Blazing Saddle" Where Bart hold himself as a hostage, by putting a gun to his own head, to escape the mad mob violence.

When he successfully holds the lynch mob at bay and is allowed safe passage out of harm's way, he marvels at his accomplishment and congratulates himself for bluffing them: "Oh baby, you are so talented, and they are so dumb."
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:16 PM
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46. Is there a term for this kind of liar. the word liar doesn't seem to
cover the vast and murderous dishonesty of his words.

Maybe he's some sort of Ultra-Pathological-Liar. His lying is practially satanic.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:18 PM
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47. He should have listened to the UN inspectors (or me fuggods'sake)
instead of "wrestling" and ignoring everything but what would provide an excuse to tap $1.5 billion a week for him and his friends.

He was going in regardless, and will continue to blow smoke so long as the money flows.
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WestMichRad Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:19 PM
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48. Oh, gimme a break!
Wrestled with the decision for months?

:puke:

That F-tard would get pinned wrestling with an overbaked pretzel.

I like the recollection of the scene from Blazing Saddles, 'cept Jr. isn't nearly that bright.

Worst.pResident.Ever.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:34 PM
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49. He wrestled with the decision for months, back in 1998
But then he was convinced - "If I become president, I will do like PNAC says, and invade Iraq".
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:08 PM
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50. "It affected me".
The next thought is how he had to get out and take a walk. THIS is how "it affected" him.

His imagery is Biblical: He "wrestled with" this decision, as wrestling with an angel.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:28 PM
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53. Walked into the wilderness - uh, err I mean South Lawn...eom
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:19 PM
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51. More like he "rassled" with it, like a demon pretzel. What a putz!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:23 PM
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52. LOL! Good one spacelady...eom
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:17 AM
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54. Yeaahhhh, riiiight.
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Mike_The_Computer Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:08 AM
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56. The problem with a scripted war is that the actors always lose the plot
And Bush is a big fat LIAR.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:24 AM
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57. Only problem - all of them "months" were BEFORE 1996!!!!
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:33 PM
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78. LOL, my first thought also nt
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:36 AM
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58. What a crock of shit !
Seems they are pulling out all the stops to bring his numbers up again. Now they are reinventing Bush. Come and get it, the new and improved Bush. Someone who actually wrestles with tough issues!

Please someone get him off the stage please!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:38 AM
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59. This Is High On The List of BIGGEST LIES Bush Told About Iraq
This interview was one lie after another - he's not even a good liar.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:56 AM
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60. Good ol' Jim Lehrer of the Snooze Hour...
...always willing to help polish his president's shoes. What a lickspittle.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:22 AM
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61. MMMMM, I smell BS
I heard Cindy Sheehan say that in 1999 he told a friend (she said his name) that his daddy had the political momentum after Desert Storm and blew it and he wasn't going to make the same mistake. It sounds like he was thinking of war before he was selected. Now that would be really sick using war to promote his political agenda. All of those deaths, Americans and Iraqis, to be Mr. "I'm so popular" President. This administration is looking more like a sociopathic breeding ground.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:28 AM
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62. Oh, so who was that man caught on camera making goofy faces,
and yukking it up, moments before he announced he would be invading
Iraq to the American people? Face it, your a cold blooded killer
and the only thing you've ever wrestled with was a pretzel.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:34 AM
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63. Who actually believes anything...
Bush has to say about anything anymore? Among the last things he'd ever "wrestle" with would be his own thoughts. He's a puppet. A robot. A manipulative, soulless, murderous hypocrite.

:grr:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:44 PM
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79. I don't but then I never have believed anything he's ever said.
Geez, I can't wait for the day, when he's totally irrelevant, period.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:59 AM
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64. Reuters should be ashamed, printing this crap! Have they no respect for
themselves, or for the Reuters journalists who were targeted and blown away by US forces in Iraq, undoubtedly under orders from the top?

We really need some new words to describe what comes out of this man's mouth. Crap. B.S. Utter crap. Drivel. Bushspeak. Just don't cut it any more. What he speaks--and what the lapdogs dutifully record with their gold pens--cannot be described by the English language.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:32 AM
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70. The ministry of propaganda is, indeed, working
overtime to continue to prop up the chimp. Whoever wrote this shit will, no doubt, be attending one of those 26 WH Christmas parties.

During the 2000 selection process I kept waiting for the "news" reporters to start honestly reporting on the evil and corruption that is the Bush Crime Family. I'm still waiting. What the hell is the journalism curriculum in universities today? Suckup 101? Seminars in Catapulting the Propaganda? No Ethics - No Problem? Lapdog Training? Double-dipping course taught by Armstrong Williams? I'd be ashamed to say I was a journalist in this environment. A hell of a lot of people have simply sold out. Thank God for the "internets."
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:32 AM
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65. Wrestling with WHICH of his friends and family would make the most money
off of war. Who to give which contracts to. How much money could be siphoned out of the public coffers and into who's pocket before the country would collapse and kill the golden goose. Big decisions those!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:35 AM
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66. I thought he was wrestling brush in Crawford.
Who knew?
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:36 AM
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67. Hahahahahahaha
And my three year old grandson agonizes for hours whether he should put his hand into that forbidden cookie jar. NOT.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:11 AM
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68. When?
1998?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:18 AM
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69. The only thing he wrestled with was WHEN to illegally invade Iraq.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:39 AM
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71. There was never a moment's hesitation
about the decision - made by the neocons long before they got the chimp installed to do their bidding. The biggest decision the idiot makes on any given day is whether or not to go for a bike ride.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:53 AM
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72. A quick search of the 'internets' yielded this:
Bush, Cheney and the rest of them planted a seed in the minds of the American public. They did it as expertly as a slick used car salesman does it to a naive car buyer.

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said.
...
While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001."
...
Bush, in a February 2003 radio address, said: "Iraq has sent bombmaking and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50679-2004Jun17.html



MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection.

MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ’93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.

Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact. With respect to 9/11, of course, we’ve had the story that’s been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we’ve never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don’t know.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244





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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:56 AM
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73. No, he didn't.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:20 AM
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74. Show us the memos. Show us the plans.
Bush doesn't need to tell us he wrestled with the decision. He needs to prove he used the powers of his office to make the right decision. Let's see memos where Bush asked for double- and triple-checking of the evidence for war. Let's see the plans that were in place for the post war.

He "wrestled" with the decision inside the confines of his own pea brain. But hey, it "affected" him. How sad. The poor burdened guy. It would bring a tear to my eye if I weren't fighting to hold back the puke.
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:21 AM
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75. Lies to cover up his lies....
During one of the presidential debates with Kerry, he clearly said, "They attacked us." Meaning Iraq. Kerry's rebuttal was, "Iraq did not attack us, Saddam did not attack us." And I remember another SOU speech he warned us to not forget 9/11.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:34 AM
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76. That is a LIE. nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:04 PM
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77. Liar, liar, liar
He planned to invade Iraq before he was installed in the WH. This is complete bulshit. God, I hate that man.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:47 PM
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80. Did I say, "decision to invade Iraq"?
I meant "bottle."
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Flying Coyote Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:49 PM
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81. Hey, it's true
There were several months in 1993 when he fantasized about invading Iraq just like his daddy did.

Little did he know then that he'd get his chance.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:22 PM
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82. More like years
"Boy if I ever ever get to be preznit I'm gonna make my daddy proud, turdblossom, make me a chrissin."
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:34 PM
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83. What a crock of shit.
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:58 PM
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84. Actually I believe him
those months would be Dec 2000 and Jan 2001.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:09 PM
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85. He is not talking sumo wrestling, more like thumb wrestling. n/t
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 03:13 PM by Uncle Joe
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