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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:05 PM
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4 GOP Senators Hold Firm Against Patriot Act Renewal
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 10:15 PM by cal04
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) could barely conceal his anger.
"The Patriot Act expires on December 31, but the terrorist threat does not," he told reporters at the Capitol yesterday. "Those on the Senate floor who are filibustering the Patriot Act are killing the Patriot Act." There was just one problem. Well, four problems, actually. Four of the 46 senators using the delaying tactic to thwart the USA Patriot Act renewal are members of Frist's party. It is a pesky, irritating fact for Republicans who are eager to portray the impasse as Democratic obstructionism, and a ready-made rejoinder for Democrats expecting campaign attacks on the issue in 2006 and 2008.

The four Republican rebels -- Larry E. Craig (Idaho), Chuck Hagel (Neb.), John E. Sununu (N.H.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) -- have joined all but two Senate Democrats in arguing that more civil liberties safeguards need to be added to the proposed renewal of the Patriot Act. The law makes it easier for FBI agents to monitor phone calls, search homes and obtain business records of terrorism suspects. The four stand calmly at the center of a political storm that soon will determine whether the law, enacted soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks, is renewed in a modified form or allowed to expire in 11 days.

The House passed the Patriot Act renewal Dec. 14, but two days later the four Republicans joined most Democrats in the Senate in blocking action on the bill. The four Republicans' concerns about the proposed Patriot Act renewal are basically the same as those of most Senate Democrats. They say the bill is slanted too heavily in the government's favor when it comes to letting targeted people challenge national security letters and special subpoenas that give the FBI substantial latitude in deciding what records should be surrendered. The targeted people should have a greater ability to challenge such subpoenas and require the government to show why it thinks the items being sought are connected to possible terrorism, the Republicans contend. Their Republican colleagues try to look the other way, but Democrats are delighted to have some bipartisan cover. "In a full-court press by the White House to demonize Democrats, it's great to see we've got at least four Republican profiles in courage," said Jim Manley, spokesman for Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.).


It would be easier for GOP leaders to shrug off the mini-rebellion if it came from the well-known moderates of Maine and Rhode Island who often defy the party on fiscal and social issues. Instead, the four could star in a "Big Tent" ad proclaiming the Republican Party's diversity. They include a dyed-in-the-wool conservative (Craig), a rising star and presidential aspirant (Hagel), and two second-generation Republican achievers (Murkowski and Sununu). Murkowski, who inherited her seat from her father, said she has received angry phone calls and e-mails from non-Alaskans. "But I've got to listen to my constituents first," she said, and they have been "very supportive." White House officials, she said, "have left me alone," as have most fellow GOP senators. "I have not had people hanging around me asking me if I've changed my mind," she said. (Hagel appears equally sanguine. "I took an oath of office to the Constitution, I didn't take an oath of office to my party or my president," he recently told reporters.)

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:16 PM
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1. Does anyone know who the two Democrats are who are NOT standing with
the rest on the Patriot Act? It would be good to know who they are as soon as possible.

Woohoo for Republican senators Larry , Chuck Hagel, John Sununu, and Lisa Murkowski.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:24 PM
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4. I do not know for a fact but Sen. Lieberman seems like a lock
I can not figure out who the other would be.
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VirginiaDem Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:25 PM
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6. Lieberman's a safe bet for one of them n/t
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:52 AM
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15. Nope. He is not one of them. n/t
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:30 PM
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7. Dollars to donuts,
one of them is Joe-mentum.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:37 PM
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8. Actually, its not Lieberman.
Its Tim Johnson South Dakota and Ben Nelson Nebraska - Here
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:34 AM
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19. okay...let's call those DINOs all day long
they need to be democrats or move to the other side of the aisle.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:18 PM
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21. Thanks for the information. These guys are deadly.


We could use more Democrats among the Democratic senators!
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:37 PM
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9. The 2 Democrats: Nelson of Nebraska and Johnson of South Dakota
CLOTURE Vote Yesterday on Patriot Act
Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---52


Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)



NAYs ---47


Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Craig (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 1
Dodd (D-CT)

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:11 AM
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13. Nelson = DINO
He's scared he might piss off his middle-of-the-road-white-bread constituency.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:05 PM
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20. Yes, Nelson of Nebraska often votes with the GOP. Not FL Nelson, though.
Nelson of FL is a stalwart Democrat!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:26 AM
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18. self delete
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 09:27 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:16 PM
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2. Bet * is sorry that he harshly fired Sununu's father on behalf of Poppy
now that he needs something from him . . . .
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:18 PM
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3. I was wondering if there had been a falling out. They used to be real
tight.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:25 PM
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5. Think about it: Poppy was joined at the hip with Sununu. Because of
Poppy's protection, Sununu used government jets to go to stamps shows and resorts on the week-end. When it got into the press and Sununu refused to reimburse the government, Poppy decided he was a political liability. But GHWB lacked the cahones to fire his buddy. So, knowing what a little shit his son was, 41 gave 43 the job. And * really tore into Sununu as far as every insult he could find. It wasn't an apologetic letting go. It was tearing a new asshole.

Now, that must have been humiliating on several levels. And you don't forget stuff like that. And maybe you are above revenge, but your son may not be.

Like *. With Saddam Hussein. SH insulted *'s father and now we're in Iraq.

Funny how Karma Blowback works . . . .
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:17 PM
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10. hagel was always his own man
mostly conservative on most issues though

believe it or not I would put money on it that the NRA would be against it also

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:47 PM
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11. It's my understanding that Alaskans truly despise the *snort* Patriot Act.
Lisa M. had no choice.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:59 PM
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12. God bless the four new enlightened realist!!!! DUrs should send thankyou
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:53 AM
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16. I am sure Sununu is hearing a lot from
his NH constituents.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:15 AM
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14. On the radio this am I heard
John E. Sununu (N.H.) speak. This guy has his head screwed on tight and level.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:14 AM
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17. Wish we could trade him for Liebercon or Hilary.
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