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Up2Late

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Tue Dec-20-05 11:47 PM
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Cuba launches verbal assault on top US diplomat (Reuters)

Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 11:50 PM by Up2Late

Cuba launches verbal assault on top US diplomat

Tue Dec 20, 2005 09:52 PM ET

By Marc Frank

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuba launched a blistering verbal attack on the top U.S. diplomat in Havana on Tuesday and on dissidents it accused him of organizing to overthrow the government. A daily state-run television talk show dedicated its 90- minute broadcast to accusing U.S. mission chief Michael Parmly, who arrived in the country in September, of being the new point man for the Bush administration's declared goal of ousting President Fidel Castro from power.

"Michael Parmly has quickly begun to carry out his job as the ruthless guardian and springboard of the anti-Cuba Bush policy, having frequent contacts with his mercenaries, guiding them, supplying them and exhibiting them to the press," program moderator Randy Alonso said. The United States and Cuba, bitter foes since President Fidel Castro led a revolution to power in 1959, do not have diplomatic relations but maintain lower-level Interests Sections in each others capitals.

The Cuban government labels all opponents as charlatans in the employ of the United States and on Tuesday various official journalists accused them of receiving support from a foreign power, a crime under Cuban law. Parmly succeeded James Cason, now U.S. ambassador to Paraguay, whose confrontational style and open support for dissidents was given as the reason for the imprisonment of 75 dissidents two year ago on charges of working with Washington to overthrow the government.

The show, called the round table, features local journalists and officials presenting the government's positions on various topics. It will also dedicate Wednesday's broadcast to Parmly and the dissidents.

<http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=10650505�ion=news>
(more at link above)

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GrumpyGreg

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Tue Dec-20-05 11:57 PM
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1. Parmly is accused of trying to do what JFK tried to do---overthrow Castro.

History repeats itself.

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Media_Lies_Daily

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Wed Dec-21-05 02:07 PM
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11. Whoa. Back up one administration to Eisenhower and his VP, Nixon....

...Castro overthrew Batista, a rightwing dictator, with CIA assistance. A short while later, Castro nationalized the foreign companies located in Cuba like the major U. S. sugar interests, and shut down the Mafia Casinos in Havana. That pissed off both the major U. S. corporations and the Mafia. When Castro asked the U. S. for aid to help his people, the U. S. refused. He then approched the old Soviet Union, who was more than happy to help Cuba, because it gave them a chance to put a thorn in our side.

At that point, several groups with interests in Cuba began pressuring the Eisenhower Administration to get rid of Castro and restore a more U. S.-friendly government in Havana. The CIA set up a major operation in Miami, later known as the Cuban Task Force. They worked hand-in-glove with Mafia organizations under Marcello (Louisiana), Traficanti (Florida), and Giancana (Chicago) to infiltrate Cuba, and to run guns to opposition groups in Cuba. They also recruited, armed, and trained anti-Castro Cubans for the ultimate purpose of invading Cuba and overthrowing Castro. Nixon was one of the primary planners for the Bay of Pigs Operation, along with key CIA and military personnel. The plots to kill Castro originated during this time period, long before JFK was inaugurated in January 1961. Other major players for the CIA included E. Howard Hunt, Bernard Barker, Frank Sturgis, Felix Rodriguez, and Poppy Bush.

JFK unknowingly inherited this mess when he took office, and was not told about the Bay of Pigs Operation until right before the date of the invasion. JFK balked at providing the Naval and air units that had been part of the original invasion plans, and the Bay of Pigs failed.

Following that fiasco, JFK fired the top three people at the CIA, including Dulles, and appointed his brother, RFK, to oversee the anti-Castro Cuban operations. Those operations included the continuation of the plots to kill Castro, plots which were discontinued in 1962 because of the dismal failures of the plots to that date, and the high international tensions resulting from the Cuban Missile Crisis. Shortly before JFK's assassination, JFK had been trying to open a communication back-channel to Castro with the intent of normalizing relations between Cuba and the U. S.

Yes, history does repeat itself, but not in the way you implied.

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Wed Dec-21-05 09:08 PM
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13. Thanks for pointing out the road goes all the way back to Eisenhower,

including the plans for the invasion. Most Americans believe it all started with Kennedy, unfortunately.

Also thanks for pointing to the fact Kennedy had undertaken secret communications with Fidel Castro, and was moving toward a more productive relationship. In one article it was described as his intention to "bring Cuba into a closer orbit" with the States. The declassified documents are available on the internet revealing the level of seriousness Kennedy attached to a better relationship with the Cuban President.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kennedy Sought Dialogue with Cuba

INITIATIVE WITH CASTRO ABORTED BY ASSASSINATION,
DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS SHOW

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here's a sad commentary from an article highlighting the strange TIMING, as this new Cuba project was what Kennedy was working on immediately before he was murdered:

The documents indicated that John Kennedy had placed high priority on a normal relationship with Cuba. In mid-November 1963, Castro was preparing to send instructions to his United Nations ambassador on a proposed agenda for official talks between Castro and an American emissary. Kennedy sent word to top aides that he was prepared to decide on next steps once the agenda was received. The date was November 19, 1963, three days before Kennedy's assassination.

Obviously, Castro wanted to keep this window of opportunity open with the United States after Kennedy's assassination. Castro told Howard less than three months later that he was eager for Johnson to prevail in the election. Castro invited Johnson to take "hostile action" against Cuba if it would be to his political benefit. The Cuban leader urged Johnson to continue an American-Cuban dialogue that Kennedy had initiated in the months before his assassination. Castro asked Howard: "Please tell President Johnson that I earnestly desire his election to the presidency in November ... though that appears assured. .... Seriously, I have observed how Republicans use Cuba as a weapon against the Democrats. So tell President Johnson to let me know what I can do."

Castro suggested that his offer remain secret unless it could be successfully used against conservative Republicans such as Barry Goldwater who won his party's nomination several months later. Castro said: "If the president feels it necessary during the campaign to make bellicose statements about Cuba or even to take hostile action, if he will inform me unofficially that a specific action is required because of domestic political considerations, I shall understand and not take any serious retaliatory action."
(snip/...)

http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book16Ch.19.html

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Up2Late

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Thu Dec-22-05 02:27 AM
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15. Wow, that is interesting. I found the original at the NSA link...

...Here's the link to the pdf file: <http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/640212.pdf>

And who the hell was "Miss Lisa Howard?"

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Judi Lynn

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Thu Dec-22-05 02:36 AM
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16. Hi. She was a reporter for ABC, I believe. She did interviews with

a lot of world figures. Her biography has been on cable tv channels.

Here's a simplified look at some of her work:

Carlos Lechuga was born in Cuba. He worked as a journalist. A supporter of Fidel Castro, he became Cuban Ambassador to the United Nations. He has carried out many diplomatic missions representing Cuba in numerous international forums and conferences, including the UN Committees on Human Rights, Disarmament and Racial Discrimination.

In May, 1963, Lisa Howard published an article in the journal, War and Peace Report, Howard wrote that in eight hours of private conversations with Fidel Castro he had shown a strong desire for negotiations with the United States: "In our conversations he made it quite clear that he was ready to discuss: the Soviet personnel and military hardware on Cuban soil; compensation for expropriated American lands and investments; the question of Cuba as a base for Communist subversion throughout the Hemisphere." Howard went on to urge the Kennedy administration to "send an American government official on a quiet mission to Havana to hear what Castro has to say." A country as powerful as the United States, she concluded, "has nothing to lose at a bargaining table with Fidel Castro."

William Attwood read Howard's article and on 12th September, 1963, he had a long conversation with her on the phone. This apparently set in motion a plan to initiate secret talks between the United States and Cuba. Six days later Attwood sent a memorandum to Under Secretary of State Averell Harriman and U.N. Ambassador Adlai Stevenson. Attwood asked for permission to establish discreet, indirect contact with Fidel Castro.

On September 20, John F. Kennedy gave permission to authorize Attwood's direct contacts with Carlos Lechuga. According to Attwood: "I then told Miss Howard to set up the contact, that is to have a small reception at her house so that it could be done very casually, not as a formal approach by us." Howard met Lechuga at the UN on 23rd September 23. Howard invited Lechuga to come to a party at her Park Avenue apartment that night to meet Attwood.

The next day William Attwood met with Robert Kennedy in Washington and reported on the talks with Lechuga. According to Attwood the attorney general believed that a trip to Cuba would be "rather risky." It was "bound to leak and... might result in some kind of Congressional investigation." Nevertheless, he thought the matter was "worth pursuing."
(snip/...)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlechuga.htm

LISA HOWARD

Lisa Howard, one of the first women to have her own television news show, became the central intermediary in the Kennedy-Castro dialogue. Howard had been an actress and soap opera star before she broke into journalism in 1960 by scoring the first major interview with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev at the United Nations. She was hired by ABC news as a reporter and subsequently became the anchor for ABC's noontime news broadcast, "The NewsHour with Lisa Howard." Her two specials on Cuba, in 1963 and 1964, were the most substantive coverage of Castro's revolution in the early 1960s. She died in 1965.

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Up2Late

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Thu Dec-22-05 04:28 AM
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18. Wow, her story is amazing, especially when you think back to how...

Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 04:51 AM by Up2Late

...it wasn't until the mid 1970's that Barbara Walters got her spot on the evening News, of course, ABC was the "New" Network back in those days (the 1960's), so they could afford to take some risks.

Her life between 1960 and 1965 would make a great movie, and it might even help to expose some of the lies about Cuba, Kennedy and the CIA.

On Edit- Check this out:

<http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhowardL2.htm>

...In December, 1964, Howard met with Che Guevara to the United Nations. Details of this meeting was sent to McGeorge Bundy. When Howard got no response she arranged for Eugene McCarthy to meet with Guevara in her apartment on 16th December.

Lisa Howard with Che Guevara

This created panic in the White House and the following day Under Secretary George Ball told McCarthy that the meeting must remain a secret because there was "suspicion throughout Latin America that the U.S. might make a deal with Cuba behind the backs of the other American states."

Howard continued to try and obtain a negotiated agreement between Fidel Castro and Lyndon B. Johnson. As a result she was fired by ABC because she had "chosen to participate publicly in partisan political activity contrary to long established ABC news policy."

Lisa Howard died at East Hampton, Long Island, on 4th July, 1965. It was officially reported that she had committed suicide. Apparently, she had taken one hundred phenobarbitols. It was claimed she was depressed as a result of losing her job and suffering a miscarriage.

Boy, those beautiful, ambitious women sure did "commit Suicide" an awful lot back then. :sarcasm:

This would be a huge hit movie if done right.

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Judi Lynn

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Thu Dec-22-05 05:16 AM
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19. That is an AMAZING photo! Unbelievable! I didn't know she met him!

Isn't it a chore trying to swallow that whopper about her suicide? She had accomplished the most spectacular interviews in tv history.

Now what did she have to regret about that? That "official" speculation for her suicide just doesn't quite get it, does it?

You're right. It would make one spellbinding movie. Someone needs to do a lot of investigation on this story. It looks as if it has been completely distorted and buried in an inplausible cover story.

Lisa Howard had a very short career. What a pity.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Adding the account of a meeting between Kennedy aide Richard Goodwin on August 22, 1961, with Che Guevara. This indicates Kennedy was surely trying to figure out a way to make the right connection, and working on it for a couple of years or more, in secret. Who benefited from his disappearance, in the U.S. vs. Cuba conflict? The Cuban right-wing exiles who were staying in Miami, expecting to return to Cuba as the large land and business owners they had been before the revolution.

If the U.S. recognized Cuba, it would have meant they would not be reinstalled as the big fish in the tiny bowl all over again. The Cuban government wanted to work things out. They were serious. When Kennedy was murdered, they were screwed: especially since Johnson turned his back on them.

Goodwin's remarks on his visit with Che Guevara:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/19610822.pdf

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Thu Dec-22-05 03:56 PM
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31. Fascinating Secret letter, amazing how when these are declassified...

...they never seem to get much attention in the MSM.

And she was only 35 when she died. It still amazes me how people in the 1950's and 60's seemed to accomplish so much more that people the same age today do. When I was 30, I was still struggling to find a stable work situation, actually I still am at 42, so maybe I'm not a good example.

Here's another "Chapter" of the Lisa Howard story I found, I'm not really that concerned about the "doing acid with Timothy Leary" part of this story (although I wouldn't rule it out of the movie), but check this out, one of her close friends was murdered the year before her death. "...Her murder "officially" has never been solved...."

<http://www.sirbacon.org/jfk.htm>

...November 1963.

Lisa Howard was in the process of arranging a conference between Bobby Kennedy and Che Guevera. <25> ".......On November 19th, Presidential aide McGeorge Bundy, who was acting as an intermediary in the secret discussions, told Ambassador Attwood that the President wanted to discuss his plans for a Cuban-American detente in depth with him right after "a brief trip to Dallas." <26>
Three days later the President was dead. On November 23rd, Fidel Castro said that President Kennedy's assassination was the work of "elements in the U.S. opposed to peace." <27> His remarks were labeled as propaganda.

December 1st, 1963.

Mary called Dr. Leary in almost unintelligible grief. She sobbed into the phone."They couldn't control him anymore. He was changing too fast.....They've covered everything up. I gotta come see you. I 'm afraid. Be careful." <28> Suddenly there was a dial tone. The doctor replaced the phone slowly, regarding it with concern.
The group met secretly one last time. It was agreed that there was no choice but to disband. It was a solemn meeting and not all of the women were ready to accept failure. The two newswomen met each other's eyes. "This will all come out, you know." Dorothy announced. Lisa nodded, "I'm not finished yet!"
Almost a year later Mary Pinchot walked the familiar towpath by the canal. It was early afternoon and Mary stopped to watch a bird wing overhead. There was a step not far behind her. She turned. A man regarded her silently. Her eyes widened and then narrowed. "You have no idea what your facing. You can't change what we've started." He shot her in the chest and fired at her body's head twice. After her death, her apartment was searched and her diary removed for "disposal" by the CIA chief of counterintelligence, James Angleton. <29> Her murder "officially" has never been solved.

Photo of the Mary Pinchot Crime scene

A year later, Lisa Howard died under suspicious circumstances. Her death was attributed to suicide. Supposedly she took one hundred phenobarbitols at mid-day in a parking lot where she was found wandering in a daze. She had been fired because she had "chosen to participate publicly in partisan political activity contrary to long established established ABC news policy." <30> Suspicions about her death"..... if ever substantiated.....would make her the second female news reporter (after Dorothy Kilgallen) whom assassination critics suspect was silenced because of her knowledge of the assassination. " <31>
Before her death, Lisa turned against Robert Kennedy, who was running for the U.S. Senate in New York. At a group meeting she organized with Gore Vidal in support of the incumbent Senator Keating, Bobby was described as " the very antithesis of his brother....ruthless, reactionary, and dangerously authoritarian." Explaining her reasons for forming the group she said, "if you feel strongly about something like this you can't remain silent. You have to show courage, and stand up and be counted." After ABC fired her she continued her "partisan political activity" remarking in a debate over Robert Kennedy that "Brothers are not necessarily the same....There was Cain and Abel."<32> An interesting comparison.

In the wake of the Kennedy assassination there have been many more deaths than those of Mary Pinchot, Lisa Howard, and Dorothy Kilgallen. District Attorney Jim Garrison, of New Orleans, who investigated the Kennedy assassination said that "witnesses in this case do have a habit of dying at the most inconvenient times....a London insurance firm has prepared an acturial chart on the likelihood of 20 of the people involved in this case dying within 3 years of the assassination and found the odds 30 trillion to one. <33>

<http://www.sirbacon.org/jfk.htm>

It would take a bit of research to figure out how true this story is, but it sure seems to fit with the rest of big picture. Looks like more info about Mary Pinchot, and Dorothy Kilgallen might be in order too.

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Judi Lynn

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Thu Dec-22-05 02:43 AM
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17. Thanks for posting that link. Very sad the message wasn't treated with

respect. Things would have been so much better if Johnson had continued Kennedy's plan.

I don't blame Fidel Castro for feeling exposed, and betrayed. He was so willing to do anything to bring the change Kennedy had almost promised by his interest in dialogue.

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Up2Late

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Thu Dec-22-05 02:12 AM
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14. Thanks for pointing that out, It always pisses me off when they...

...blame Kennedy for "The Bay of Pigs." It never seems to dawn on people that, you don't plan and execute an invasion in 3 months.

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Mika

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Thu Dec-22-05 08:42 AM
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20. Castro assassination plots were not discontinued in 1962 ..

Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 08:56 AM by Mika

.. Luis Posada was arrested in Panama while running an op to assassinate Castro, who was to speak at the U of Panama, with a bomb placed under the podium/stage in year 2000. Panamanian anti terra officials said at the time that the bomb would have killed and maimed many hundreds. Last year, days before leaving office, Bush buddy President Mireya Moscoso pardoned Posada and his CANF/CIA cohorts - who then all returned to a hero's welcome by the extremist hard line Miamicubanomaffia minority in Miami.

The arrest of Luis Posada Carilles in Panama, 11/17/00

Posada is wanted by Venezuela not for the assassination attempt, but for his participation in the downing of a Cuban airliner that killed all 73 passengers (mostly children) and crew in 1976.

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Wed Dec-21-05 03:25 AM
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2. at one point in the history of fidel castro, i would have thought this

tirade was just one of castro's paranoid orations against yankee imperialism at this point in time ... i have to say i believe castro is right on the mark!

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Mika

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Wed Dec-21-05 09:15 AM
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3. "paranoid orations against yankee imperialism"

Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 09:17 AM by Mika

That's funny. You used to pretent that the US has never launched an invasion against Cuba, has never attempted assassination ops, has never launched terra ops, has never funded Miamicubano exile terra ops against Cuba, Cubans, and Cuban interests inside and outside of Cuba, and that the US hasn't been spending millions every year formulating "transition plans" and funding artificial "dissidents" and "independent librarians" with goals to assist former Batistano era and corporate interests take over Cuba's government and privatize/corporatize the entire Cuban infrastructure? You thought, despite mountains of evidence, that when Mr Castro railed aginst these ops it was paranoid orations against yankee imperialism?

Only now you believe that the Cuban gov is on the mark regarding objections to US gov plans to take over Cuba? :wow:

Still, I'm glad that you are coming around. :thumbsup:

DU thread - U.S. Convenes Anti-Castro Panel

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Wed Dec-21-05 09:55 AM
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4. can you imagine that yes ... at one point i must have believed everything

you say, although i had not quite realized that that is what i believed until just now that you pointed it out to me...but that was way back in the very early 1960s, right after i was forced to leave Cuba and join my mother's mississippi family, or be imprisoned in a cuban jail for counter revolutionary activities against fidel castro.

But then by the 1970s i came to admire fidel castro over the fact that Uncle Sam had not been able to push him out of his power.

And by the l980s and l990s i came to see the bastardly diaz-balart brothers and their female counterpart ileana ros-lehtinen and all of the rest of the miami right wing cuban-americans for the despicable beings that they are.

There are things that i do admire in Fidel Castro today. But, I also have to reckon with the fact that he is a dictator. and a dictator is a dictator, whether bush or fidel castro.

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Up2Late

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Wed Dec-21-05 12:48 PM
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5. Don't feel bad, you're still way ahead of most Americans and even...

...the smart people here at DU.

I only started to realize these things in the last 5 years, thanks to the realization that George Bush lies about everything, except that he is working for the Rich people in this country.

When I saw his VERY different treatment of the South Florida Cuba population, as opposed to his treatment of Mexican and Central America Migrant workers, it caused me to stop and re-think everything.

Thanks George Bush.

And to you flordehinojos, I hope you won't mind me saying, "Welcome to America." :patriot:

My Father and Grand-Parents were Immigrants too.

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Wed Dec-21-05 01:24 PM
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7. thank you for welcoming me....even when many Cuban-Americans have made

themselves not so welcome to these lands through their support for bush and his policies....though, in my own history i was never fully a cuban, my mother was from mississippi; and while i was born in cuba and lived there the first sixteen years of my life i was always referred to as, "the american's daughter" and my mother was referred to as, "the american".... so by their definition, i sort of did not fit in too much with their cubanism... and of course, my mother was the "alien" there.

i sort of came to a land i had already met through my mother's eyes and through
the couple of visits we made to her family before she died when i was 13. it was a land with open arms to people coming from other lands. sadly, that does not seem to be the case anymore.
(and as for myself and my husband, we have not returned to miami since the cuban-americans there behaved so irrationally over the elian gonzalez saga back in the 90s). And, i have to say, there are a few of the people i grew up with in Cuba who are living in Miami that i hear from, from time to time, they too cannot comprehend the irrationality of most cuban-americans in miami over the elian gonzalez saga, nor can they comprehend the cuban-american support for the bushes.

:patriot:

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Mika

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Wed Dec-21-05 08:13 PM
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12. Thank you for pointing out something that a lot of DUers don't understand.

Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 08:17 PM by Mika

.. and that is that not all Cuban-Americans are hard line reichwingnuts. Many are Dems, including very liberal/leftist Dems. I have been pointing that fact out for years on DU.

Many had fled the Batista/US backed corporate oligarchy. As a matter of fact, it took the Mariel mass smuggling op for there to be more Cuban immigrants who had left Cuba post '59 revolution than pre revolution.

It was a minority of Miami-Dadecubanos who supported the kidnapping of Elian by the CANF/Ninoska Perez factions.

Thank you. :thumbsup:

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Wed Dec-21-05 01:29 PM
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9. Same here, Up.

I'm an immigrant to the U.S. from Sweden. I NEVER believed my adopted country could do the things that they did.

Around the year 2000, I started to suspect that something was seriously wrong with this country. I started searching, looking maniacally on the Internet until I found the DU.

Then I started getting answers. Lots of them. Now I know: this government is corrupt to the core. I still think we can rescue this country. We just have to evict the criminals in the White House.

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Up2Late

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Thu Dec-22-05 04:11 PM
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32. Well then...

..."Welcome to America" to you too cliss! :patriot:

I hope you have found that Swedish Women are always welcome in America. I don't know what it is that American Men love so much about Swedish Women

...well actually, I think I do. :blush:

Please believe me when I tell you, they never taught us any of this sort of stuff (about Cuba and the CIA) in school growing up. I've only learned about most of these "covert" activities in the last 6-8 years, since the rise of the Internet.

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Up2Late

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Wed Dec-21-05 12:49 PM
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6. Dupe post

Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 12:50 PM by Up2Late

:blush:

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Thu Dec-22-05 09:30 AM
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24. As they say, only because you're paranoid... -nt

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Wed Dec-21-05 01:27 PM
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8. Speech delivered by Dr. Fidel Castro Ruz

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0512/S00120.htm

This is the kind of world we are living in. It is not a world full of goodness, but
a world full of egoism. It is not a world of justice, but one full of exploitation,
abuse and pillage, where millions of children die every year and they could
be saved--, just because they are lacking a few cents worth of medicine, or
some vitamins or re-hidration salts and a few dollars worth of food, enough
for them to live. They die every year due to injustice, almost as many as died
in that colossal war that I mentioned a few minutes ago.

We know that country very well. It is a country with 70 million inhabitants
bent on its industrial development and believing, quite correctly, that it is a
great crime to use its gas or oil reserves to feed the potential of thousands of
millions of kilowatt hours urgently needed by this Third World country for its
industrial development. And there we find the empire forbidding them and
threatening to attack with bombs. There is already an international debate on
what day and at what time a pre-emptive attack will be launched on the
research centers for production of nuclear fuel and on whether it will be the
empire that does it, or its satellite Israel as it was the case in Iraq.

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MGKrebs

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Wed Dec-21-05 01:50 PM
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10. What's thast website that connects people?

There is some website that can generate a chart of how people are connected to each other. I would like to run this guy Parmly through that.

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ima_sinnic

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Thu Dec-22-05 09:37 AM
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26. I think you are thnking of namebase.org

http://www.namebase.org

But I just searched Michael Parmly's name and didn't find it there. I don't know how up to date their database is.

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MGKrebs

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Thu Dec-22-05 12:04 PM
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27. Ah yes. Thanks.

That guy Parmly seems to be OK though. He said stuff like

"the Cuban people, not the United States, will someday transform their communist nation into a lively democracy with a free exchange of ideas.

"Cubans aspire to change and that change is coming," Michael Parmly, chief of the U.S. Interest Section told The Associated Press in his first interview with an international news organization since arriving three months ago. "We are here to support and help in any way we can."

More diplomatic than most of those who graduated from the Dick Cheney School of Diplomacy, otherwise known as FU.

Seems like kind of a people person.

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Judi Lynn

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Thu Dec-22-05 02:08 PM
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28. The Bush administration needs to stay out of Cuban affairs. n/t

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21. Castro has good reason to accuse the US of trying to overthrow him again

Last month in Miami, Santiago Alvarez was busted. Alverez was under suspicion for smuggling terrorist Luis Posada into Miami last spring aboard his yacht. Posada is now in detention and has asked for asylum because he's a CIA asset.

In the meantime, Alvarez and others got caught stockpiling weapons, machine guns with the serial numbers rubbed off, rocket and grenade launchers, etc. The judge said that they found enough weapons to cause a major blood bath. One of the defendants stated that they never intended to use these weapons in the USA.

'Return to Bay of Pigs' just fell apart again.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051210/NEWS/512100368/1004

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Thu Dec-22-05 09:17 AM
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22. Terra ops against Cuba have been going on for decades

Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 09:22 AM by Mika

The Cuban government has every right to defend the country and the citizens from terrorism and those who aid and abet terrorism against Cuba.

A Bombers Tale

Relation of Some Terrorist Actions against Cuba from 1990 to 2000

Terrorist provocations against Cuba

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Thu Dec-22-05 09:27 AM
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23. This particular operation just got busted last month

the judge just ruled that Alvarez can not get out of jail on bond because he's too dangerous.

BTW: Small world, I was just down in Miami and met some people that know his daughter. These guys were getting ready for one last try at getting Castro.

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Thu Dec-22-05 09:33 AM
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25. Yes, I know. I live in Miami.

Judi Lynn and I have been posting LBN threads about it.

The Cubaphobe exiles in Miami have been saying that Bush is pandering to Castro (LOL) by busting up this terror cell. Jose Basulto (of Brothers to the Rescue) says that Bush is no different than Clinton because both are Castro appeasers.

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30. Really!

Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 02:57 PM by Judi Lynn

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