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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:28 AM
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Saddam says tortured and beaten by Americans

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LON158444.htm

Saddam says tortured and beaten by Americans


BAGHDAD, Dec 21 (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein said on Wednesday he had been beaten and tortured while in U.S. custody and still had the marks on his body.

"I have been hit by the Americans and tortured," he said during his trial on charges of crimes against humanity. "I have been beaten on every place of my body, and the signs are all over my body."

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:31 AM
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1. probably was, but I hardly think this is going to benefit him...
I don't condone torture on anyone, but how will his accusation help him?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:46 AM
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3. Why would he need to expect it to help him
in order to do it? He knows that his execution is a foregone conclusion, so of course he will use the trial to do as much damage as possible before he goes.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:11 PM
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5. sure.. but he wants to rankle and elicit sympathy...
and I'm not sure this will do the latter, or even the former, given the arrogance of this administration.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:57 PM
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12. If the police in an old fashioned U.S. court beat and tortured someone
The case may well have been thrown out, assuming the torture could be proven ("cruel and unusual punishment"). I think that is generally the case in countries with a functioning and civilized legal system.

I say "an old fashioned U.S. court" because I don't know if this reasoning would apply since Bush began perverting and overthrowing the U.S. Constitution.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:12 PM
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17. No one, even the Iraqis view this as a true and just trial...
We have truly sold out our legitimacy before the world....
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:46 PM
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29. You're right about that. n/t
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:45 AM
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2. Both are liars
I have no idea who to believe, but I'm hardly outraged if he was slapped around a bit.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:54 PM
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9. I am always outraged when someone
"gets slapped around a bit" Torture is never justified. It dehumanizes the torturer and the tortured.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:00 PM
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14. I AGREE WITH YOU
This type of Conduct differs little if committed by either THUG TROOPS or THUG COPS.
LIKE THE ONES WHO TUNED UP RODNEY KING BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK

Apparently today, it's easy to beat an "unworthy" minority to death
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:49 PM
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19. thanks saigon
sometimes I'm afraid that I'll be flamed for my pacifist lifestyle. (But I say it anyway of course)
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:33 PM
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33. Do you find Saddam more credible than American soldiers? eom
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:42 PM
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34. Saddam was very credible when he said he didn't have WMD's
Yes, Saddam is more credible than Rumsfeld, that said he knew where the WMD's were. Don't you agree? Rumsfeld does represent the American soldier, eh?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:53 PM
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35. I guess if Saddam says so, it must be true. eom
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:37 AM
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44. Isn't the problem that he WASN'T credible
enough at the time? :-)
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:27 PM
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22. Agreed. No matter how many others lose their Humanity, we must
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 04:03 PM by Kralizec
fight as hard as we can to preserve our own.

edit: mispelling
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:10 PM
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4. I don't think we should be torturing or beating anyone
Even Saddam Hussein.

That being said, however, he's just about the last person on this planet who has the right to complain about that sort of treatment. Talk about someone being a hypocrite... :eyes:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:51 PM
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31. I Might Make An Exception For The BushCo Thugs
Otherwise, I'm fairly pacifist myself--but there are the exceptions to prove any rule.
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:35 AM
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43. Do you think the SadaamCo thugs
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 10:36 AM by GatoLover
rate as an exception? :-)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:38 AM
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45. BushCo are the SaddamCo thugs
They put him in and kept him there
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:14 AM
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47. OK... but, is Sadaam an exception?
eom
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:06 AM
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49. Let the Iraqis Decide
It's their injury
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:49 PM
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37. You hit that nail square on the head!
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:41 PM
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6. This is not justified
Saddam was the head of a sovereign nation and deserves to be accorded that protocol.
The invasion of Iraq and the arrest of it's leader was both illegal and immoral. For any person in the civilized world to condone or wink at this is to become exactly what Saddam is accused of.

For people on a liberal message board to even hint at it's justification is hypocritical to say the least.

Flame away.....
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:48 PM
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7. And we should believe him why? /nt
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:56 PM
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10. he didn't lie about his WMDs...he said
there were none. That's a start...he let them blow up his last remaining weapons of any kind...that's another point.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:58 PM
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13. It's funny how even though we have proven that the WMDs were
destroyed, they still like to say he 'lied' about them.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:50 PM
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20. yeah, well if they didn't they would have to
admit that they were wrong and they lied.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:07 PM
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23. He also says that he hasn't done anything illegal
and that he is the rightful leader of Iraq. If we're going to take his word for it, we might as well dismiss the charges and give him his country back. I'm not saying that he was or wasn't tortured but IMHO, Saddam certainly has a reason to lie about this, and has no more credibility that the government (which is to say that neither of them has very much).
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:57 PM
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11. We can't believe either side in this mess!
Thanks, Bush...you've really brought trust to our government!
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:49 PM
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8. Why should we take anything this POS says seriously?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:03 PM
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15. I'm sure you take other POS's seriously.....
Why single out this one?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:29 PM
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18. Because he's been proven to be a lot more credible than.....
...ANY NeoCon POS. Does that answer your question?
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:42 AM
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40. Abu Ghraib. Gitmo. Secret prisons.
For starters.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:04 PM
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16. The judge also said
That if it's true, he'd be transferred into the custody of Iraqi forces. That will just about guarantee he'll be killed.
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:26 PM
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21. Americans tortured me - Saddam

Was Hussein tortured?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4550314.stm
http://inplainview.monitor.us.tt/comm.ME.htm
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:40 PM
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24. If Abu Ghraib had never happened, this accusation would be ridiculous.
But Abu Ghraib did happen, so it's all too plausible.
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:26 PM
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25. It is too easy to check...
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:31 PM
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26. THe average Akbar Q Public in the ME won't check - and won't care.
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 06:45 PM by baldguy
All they'll hear is that America is torturing Saddam. Most will have the same sediment expressed here - that NOBODY should be tortured.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:45 PM
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27. This trial should be transferred to the Hague
It would give the US an out and the Iraqi's don't have to kill him. Saddam can have a fair trial and all evidence can be presented and hopefully Saddam will have his say about poprumshrub.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:12 PM
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28. Well I believe that is the accepted protocol,
so why isn't he in the Hague?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:49 PM
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30. Bush et al (and the Reagan memory) have too much to lose
Things could get out of control.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:17 PM
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32. Because he was removed from power illegally.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:26 AM
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41. It is much like Daleo said
The Reagan legacy and poppy and rummy have too much to lose. The US helped Saddam to power and helped him develop weapons and were more than happy to ride the fence if Iraq/Iran wanted to fight.
The UN and Hague are not showing any power.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:36 AM
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38. Agreed. (nt)
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:10 PM
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36. Bullshit
Saddam is a drama queen. I doubt he's been tortured. With all the human rights groups watching this even if we wanted to we wouldn't be stupid enough to do it.

He could have dropped his drawers to offer proof but he didn't.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:31 AM
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42. Saddam is what he is
but you cannot ignore the fact that the U.S. killed his sons and tortured and killed many in Iraq. It was not some frat prank.
If you take the stories of people shuffled off to secret prisons, injections are part of the mix.
I don't really doubt that Saddam has been roughed up and injected with all sorts of stuff. The U.S. in the past would have held him in protective custody until he recieved a fair trial. This bunch?-all bets are off.
I'm sure if anyone is interested, they can find out if indeed he is being beaten or whatever. The interest is more in doing away with him.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:40 AM
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39. When you invade and kill +100,000 people and commit wanton torture...
...it becomes very possible to believe that, yes, you tortured Saddam Hussein.

All of which reduces you to the level of a Saddam Hussein.

Congratulations.
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:38 AM
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46. I don't believe him
He's running for President of Iraq!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:15 AM
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48. Poetic justice?
:shrug:
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