Yates to leave prison for mental hospital

Yates to Leave Prison for Mental Hospital

RUSK, Texas (AP) -- Andrea Yates, the Houston mother who drowned her five children in the family's bathtub, will soon move from an East Texas prison to a state mental hospital as she awaits a new capital murder trial.

Yates' two murder convictions were overturned by an appeals court earlier this year because of false expert testimony at her 2002 trial. Yates' case was returned to a Harris County court last week, and a judge Monday set an initial hearing for Jan. 9.

Prosecutor Joe Owmby said Monday that Yates will be moved to the Rusk State Hospital, less than a half-mile away from the Skyview prison, a psychiatric unit where she's been jailed for nearly three years.

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doesn't solve or resolve anything for these poor people.

"for these poor people"? She was in a mental ward of the prison, now she is in the mental hospital. What's the freaking difference, except all her bills were paid when she was incarcerated, and if she is found not guilty, the bills wont be paid by the state.

point this debate towards nations or states that have found "a better way" to handle these sorts of situations?

I have no alternatives to suggest or consider.

It seems that pity is about all we have to offer.

That poor woman is SICK, not evil.

The only evil in this came from a corrupt preacher and a man who couldn't keep his dick in his pants even when he knew childbirth every year was killing his wife.

I find him more culpable than his wife - by far

why he was never charged with negligence or depraved indifference or SOMETHING! He should be made to defend some of the decisions that he made that affected his wife's health and his children's welfare and safety!

in a nutshell.

murder at the same time.

and I will never understand why he was not charged with a crime.

Using the same logic, a woman who's married to an alcoholic should be put in prison when he drives drunk and kills someone. After all, she *knew* he's an alcoholic and should have anticipated that he would eventually drive drunk and kill someone. You can't blame the alcoholic because he's *sick* with alcoholism.

I think the last thing we need is the government stepping into our personal lives and holding us accountable for crimes committed by our spouses, because that could get reallllly ugly.

Especially when that psychosis could have been stopped.

Rusty Yates is culpable. To use an analogy, he loaded the gun, put it to Andrea's head, put her finger on the trigger, and helped her pull the trigger. He had a moral and legal responsibility for his wife's and children's welfare. I am actually quite amazed he wasn't changed with negligence or accessory.

Name one case where a spouse went to prison for something the mentally ill spouse did.
There are no laws he could have been charged under, so, all that talk about him belonging in prison is baloney.

But wait....that kind of stuff is wrong in the eyes of the fathers of the church, eh?

that the father never changed one diaper all that time?

and eventually publishes their findings. I strongly suspect her "loving husband" and his control freak religious tendencies" had a lot to do with her obvious "break" during a time when she was clearly suffering the hormonal effects of postpartum depression.

It would seem that the doctor's who treated her over the years did as well. I have no idea what they actually told him about continuing to have children with Andrea, but if they didn't make it as plain as day to him it would be the worst idea possible, then they failed. If they did and he heard what he wanted to hear, then he is more culpable for the death of the children, IMO.

The Drs. have warned him and her not to have anymore children, but neither of them listened.

pregnancy. She clearly has other things going on. Probably schizophrenia, bi-polar, etc. Her Drs. even won't agree on what she has. Which probably mean she would have developed whatever it is she got sooner or later, regardless of who she was married to.

she clearly had more going on than PPD. But, she was, at a minimum, let down by those around her. At worse, they may have added to her problems in a very direct way.

And her youngest child was 6 months old (the only girl). Her doctors warned the Yates after the third child that she should not have any more child. But they had two more. I agree it probably wasn't ONLY the post partum psychosis, but add in the strict fundie marriage and household, I think it was only a matter of time that she snapped.

In fact, in this day and age, no woman should.

several times, even after her imprisonment. All of the dx'shave been serious mental healthproblems such as schizophrenia and bi-polar.

Rusty Yates got a lot of sympathy-mileage out of this tragedy, and I suspect he needs a thorough mental health exam as well. He has impressed me as the kind of person that can't be wrong if God is telling him to run his life this way.

die because she killed her husband who cares about mental illness" posts. They should be coming up any time now... oi, the compassion and understanding that can sometimes be DU...

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She was clearly insane, and I feel a little less sadness at the thought of her being in a hospital than in a jail. The original court ruling was wrong, and hopefully this will correct it. I seriously doubt Yates cares where she is, though. No hell the government can create measures up to the one she is living--as cause and effect of her actions.

And her husband should be in jail.

It's amazing how many people are not aware of how bad postpartum depression can be...when those women say "the voices told them to do it," they're really hearing the voices.

Redstone

archaic. it's downright neanderthal.

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What would be the legal reason for putting him in jail?

that having more kids would probably make it worse, and he pretty much forced her into it, the son of a bitch.

Didn't you read ANYTHING about the case?

Redstone

One thing is to say that he is morally responsible for the murders of their five kids. But to say that he is legally responsible for her killing the children-is that not a bit much? I am pretty sure that we don't have laws punishing the other spouse if a mentally ill spouse commits crimes.

Although sometimes my emotions do get high and I editorialize. But I try to stick to the facts concerning mental illness, the law, how Dietz KNOWINGLY committed perjury, regardless of what you wrote. How Terri Schiavo had no brain left, how Michael stood by her and was NOT so greedy perv, etc.

I usually don't answer you and won't again in this thread. I usually keep you on ignore, but took you off a few weeks ago... guess it's time to do it again, since I think both Russell Yates and Dietz are no men to be excused or defended.

The appeal court still overturned the conviction, but did not conclude that that Dietz lied in order to get a conviction. Basically, Dietz was mistaken. So, how did you arrive to the conclusion that he knowingly committed perjury?

her husband, for some reason (though that seems an odd obsession), so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

Redstone

That road will lead to ruin... or at least some anger eating.

Never argue with someone who has the same answer for every question.

Redstone

All he needs to do is find the right woman so he can start a new family.

for the first time... apparently a small percentage of people are affected by opiates effect this way. I heard voices, HEARD someone in the room who was invisible, who was waiting to kill me with a knife, etc. I didn't think this was a hallucination, or a bad trip, I THOUGHT IT WAS REAL. And, this was mild compared to what Andre Yates went through. People on these Andrea Yates who condemn her have NO idea what they are talking about -- psychotic episodes aren't "fantasy" or a hallucination -- it's reality.

Needless to say, unless I am ever in a hospital situation where I can be restrained and monitored, I can't take ANY painkillers. That is my trigger. Andrea Yates was childbearing, plus I'm sure some other stressors.

and although I am sure that there are many problems with mental hospitals, it sure beats a jail cell.

the court? What a piece of shit he is. Of course, he did everything he could to get a not guilty verdict for that wonderful mom, Deanna Laney, now didn't he?

First of all, he didn't lie on purpose-he made a mistake, to which he admitted before the trial was over.
And second of all, he used a very simple logic to determine who is insane and who is not. Since it was the Devil who told Andrea to kill the kids, she wasn't insane because she knew it was wrong. On the other hand, Mrs. Laney was insane because she was told to murder her kids by God. One can't argue with God, can one?

Argument to one of my classes last year, that the reason Yates was convicted was because she used two defenses that the public wouldn't/couldn't/did not want to understand. After all, how dare she say that she was suffering from PPD, when women have been having that occur for thousands of years, preposterous! And then to claim that it was satan who told her to kill the children. Add to that, the image of Yates in court (orange jumpsuit, unkempt condition for most of the proceedings, etc.) and contrast Ms. squeeky-clean, choir member, good church member, obviously pious, and well dressed, coiffed, etc., Deanna Laney. Nah, nothing prejudicial in that comparison.Dietz wanted to get Yates, he did not want to get Laney. I still think he is piece of shit, by the way, and a self-aggrandizing one at that...Oh yeah, well, y'all know that consulted on an episode of L&O and Yates took notes on that episode, which was clearly reflected in her actions...Oh wait, what do you mean that episode hadn't aired yet? Oh well, she's still not nuts, your honor, I made a mistake, but she's still not nuts.

The kind of helpless woman that melts men's hearts, I suppose.
Talking like a little girl, etc.
But really, that kind of thing can influence a jury just as easy as it influenced Dietz. That's why it's so important for the defendant to look nice in court. Although when one is going for the insanity, it should have been just the opposite.

according to my students, I already have the wild-eyed, maniac look.:hippie: :evilgrin: :toast:

Go check out the husband's website: www.yateskids.com

one at a time in her bathtub. Sane people do not do such things.