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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 11:56 PM Original message |
WP: Judges on Surveillance Court To Be Briefed on Spy Program |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. Great. |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. Uh oh, George. n/t |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I hope so |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. He Stepped Down to Become a Witness |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yep, be sure to read the whole article guys, ACLU invloved now. |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. card carrying |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yessss! |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Oh really? |
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jim3775 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm willing to bet bush has started spying on the judges now. n/t |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
9. OMG! Judge Kollar-Kotelly is the same judge on Sibel Edmonds & Plame Cases |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Doesn't look good for them but legally complicated. |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Kollar-Kotelly appointed by Rehnquist to FISA Court in 2002 for 7 yr appt |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Do you have a source for the claim she is linked to PNAC? She sounds good |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. She's a Clinton Judicial Appointee, but is considered Conservative |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 08:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. It appears... |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. If exact words matter... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I'm not certain about the secrecy provisions; would they apply to a judge? |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I'm just so outraged and so tired of all the abuse of laws and lies from |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. this deserves a thread |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. Yup she was the one that dropped the Microsoft Anti-trust case... |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. She was the one who told them not to |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
12. Here are clues we already suspected. * is large-scale data-mining. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Then they should have sought to change federal law! |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. That is the heart of the matter, IMHO |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Bush knows he can't get a court order to go fishing |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. Does it seem that the Judicial Branch is pissed off? |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. Here's something weird: Kollar-Kotelly was told of this in 2002 when |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Well, the public knows now. ACCOUNTABILITY. |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh, yes. I wonder if Judge Robertson quit because of * bypassing |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I agree something is amiss here....see my post above... |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 01:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. My cynicism meter is so off the scale these days. |
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feminazi (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
55. Rehnquist appointed Judge Robertson too |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. This issue is not going away. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. And his Arrogance. |
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truthout (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. well i'm sure it will go away... |
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antonialee839 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 12:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Victoria Toensing tried to use this same argument on CNN. |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
24. SMACK!!! And that ball is still climbing long after it left the park .... |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
26. Kick |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
27. One judge suggested they simply disband the court... |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 02:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Very Possible. It may wreck many of their cases. |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
28. what statute was violated? n/t |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 02:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. 4th Amend and The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
31. George bypassed the judges, they got dissed also. |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
32. YES! |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Am I reading this correctly? |
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kimchi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. I didn't get that at all. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
33. this gets deeper and deeper folks! |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
34. kick for morning crowd n/t |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
35. Damn activist judges! Is this what bush means when he talks |
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stop the bleeding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
37. Excellent..... most excellent..... hmmmmmm |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
38. Who's going to brief them? |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Bingo! It'll be as informative as the back of a cereal box... |
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madmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Ditto |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
39. See! Court is not going to let them get away with this shit! Not no way |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
40. She is convening them for a "secret briefing"? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
42. Kafka lives |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
43. Bush could have tainted ongoing investigations by not going to FISA! |
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madmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. Who's the briefing with? If its the admin I do not see how it will be |
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baal (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. OK , GUYS N GALS, TIME TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND HELP ME OUT !!! |
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GardeningGal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Read this thread, there's a lot of good information there. |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Nothing against you personally, but Why, if as you say, you don't... |
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truthout (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Yes Reagan issued an EO on this as well ... |
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truthout (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. helping out... |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Don't fall for it people. |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
51. The thing that's so amazing about this only briefing the ONE FISA judge... |
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sidpleasant (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
52. I liked this part of the article |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
53. Threatening to disband the court? Don't make me laugh |
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upperleftedge (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. A Christmas wish... |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
62. kick |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-22-05 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. As it should be |
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