Venezuela Discloses US Plotting

Venezuela Discloses US Plotting

Caracas, Dec 26 (Prensa Latina) The disclosure that a US official attended a meeting to conspire against Venezuela corroborates the predictions that Washington intends to augment pressures against Caracas in 2006.

According to the regional Telesur TV channel, a Peruvian-born major of the US Drug Enforcement Administration, whose surname is Thomas, recently met with former Venezuelan military coupists in Bogota, Colombia.

A source, who asked for anonymity, said Thomas attended a meeting at the Colombian Administrative Security Department (DAS), as confirmed in a video later broadcast by a US channel.

The disclosure provided evidence for Venezuelan authorities´ accusations over the US involvement in subversive plans to overthrow the government of President Hugo Chavez, given the opposition has failed to defeat him in elections.

Regarding the Colombia meeting, Chavez himself submitted evidence to Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, who later admitted an official headquarter had been used for the plotting.

PRENSA LATINA

namely, oil sanctions against the US?

The US would be required to abstain if they are a party to a dispute.

Would Iraq invade us back?

;)

Undoubtedly Chavez is very aware that his country needs to do business with the U.S. in order to accomplish the sweeping changes needed.

Although I'd expect to see someone small and nasty like _Bush chew the scenery if he found organized plots against him, invade countries, even drop phosphorous bombs on human beings to exact revenge for threats, real or pretended, most people wouldn't expect normal, responsible heads of state to act like idiot children and make everything personal at the expense of their people.

Former Venezuelan soldiers plotted against the government of Hugo Chavez at a Colombian military building, according to the Colombian president. Alvaro Uribe made the disclosure on Saturday at Santa Marta in Colombia, where he is meeting President Chavez, and after analysing documents furnished by the Venezuelan leader.

He said: "The Venezuelan soldiers who are in Bogota went to a building to meet with members of the Colombian military. President Chavez gave us these documents ... we analysed them and this morning I said to President Chavez, 'I must tell you the truth: this is a building of Colombia's public forces.'"

Uribe said that intelligence efforts against the Venezuelan government were conducted in the building, and took full responsibility for the affair. The two presidents met on Saturday for six hours in a climate of unusual goodwill to discuss the purported Bogota-based conspiracy against the Venezuelan president, which Chavez first disclosed to the Colombian president during a meeting in Venezuela last month. Seven Venezuelans involved in a 48-hour coup against Chavez in April 2002 have been linked to the new plot.

Sunday 18 December 2005
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/039FC6D9-F7A1-444A-B24A-94C45E9B0C5B.htm

are trying to take down my man Chavez?

This is the Cuban state mouthpiece.

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I pointed out in one post that Post 2 was an AFP report and in another that 100% of that day's 29 news reports on al-jazeera were from AFP, AP or Reuters in response to someone who wanted aljazeera banned.

This did not break any message board rules. It was simply a statement of fact which could have been verified by anyone who went to Al-jazeera's home page.

After studying documents provided by Chavez, Uribe said he had confirmed that a group of former Venezuelan military officers recently went to a government building in Bogota to meet with Colombian military officers.

Uribe offered no details about the meeting but said he took full responsibility and had issued a warning that no conspiracy against Chavez would be tolerated.

"A country such as Colombia that is affected by terrorism cannot permit that it be used as a base for conspiracies against the democracies of our brother nations," Uribe said.

After returning to Venezuela, Chavez called the Venezuelan ex-officers coup-plotters and traitors.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051218/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_venezuela

Plot to overthrow Chavez: Alvaro Uribe
By Andy Goodall
Dec 18, 2005, 09:18


Ex Venezuelan militaries had planned to overthrow President Hugo Chavez from Colombian territory revealed Colombian President Alvaro Uribe. Uribe confirmed that ex Venezuelan military officials met with Colombian military counterparts in a government building in Bogota.

Uribe made these comments during a joint press conference with Chavez after the meeting held in the northern Colombian city of Santa Marta to commemorate the death of Bolivar 175 years ago

 “Instead of making excuses and instead of deception, I am assuming my responsibility before President Chavez”, Uribe said.

He explained that last November during the last bilateral meeting in Venezuela, Chavez handed him a series of documents concerning presumed conspiracies taking place on Colombian soil, which were subsequently examined by the authorities in Bogota.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_20433.shtml

Troops allegedly plot against Chavez
Dec. 18, 2005 at 11:46AM
Venezuelan soldiers conspired with some of their Colombian counterparts to overthrow Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, said Colombian leader Alvaro Uribe.
      Uribe made the announcement amid meetings with Chavez in Colombia, El Tiempo reported.
      The Colombian president said Chavez gave him documents proving the meetings took place. Uribe then said the conspirators met at building belonging to the Colombian military. The Venezuelan leader first came to Uribe with the conspiracy allegations last month.
      Seven Venezuelans with alleged ties to a failed 2002 coup in Venezuela that saw Chavez briefly deposed were linked to the more recent plot.
      The neighboring nations have been at odds in the past, with Chavez criticizing Uribe for his close ties with Washington. Meanwhile, the conservative Colombian leader has accused Chavez of backing leftist rebel movements in Colombia.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20051218-113554-1212r.htm

And for an honest historical treatment:
http://www.greens.org/s-r/37/37-06.html

Very comprehensive. Much appreciated.

It's mentioned in the Axis of Logic story, I think, that Hugo Chavez brought this material to Uribe's attention last November.

I remember that when the story came out that Chavez had claimed Venezuela had proof, several DU visitors shared their wise insights on threads here that he was full of hot air. It's great fun seeing a right-wing President has confirmed what Hugo Chavez said then.

"Syriana" is about the total corruption of

1. Big Oil
2. The Oil Potentates (in the ME)
3. The Defense and Intelligence Community
4. The Washington K Street Lobbyist/Lawyers

Plays to all my prejudices, biases, and life experiences -- and now this coming after NSA spying, our war in Iraq, the oil CEO's lobbying oil man Cheney, and Jack Abramoff and Texas Congress critter Tom DeLay.

I am a Chemical Engineer - that's a "Petroleum Refinery Centric" and "Petroleum Industry Centric" discipline - from the Bull Shit level to the More of the Same level and on up to the Piled Higher and Deeper level. Never worked for Big Oil - but I attempted to be a safety and environmental regulator - like King Canute.

I am preparing to be morbidly depressed by the experience.

:rofl:


It supports the theories that Mr Castro has been pronouncing & writing about for a couple of decades.

If Castro ever did half of what he writes about, maybe I'd have some respect for him.

I don't remember anything in the movie that has not been shown to be reasonably plauseable by many diffrent sorces.

Yourrrr out!

I saw Syriana last week. It was very, very bad.

You were joking, right?
If not, I suppose your are entitled to your opinion.
Welcome to DU, but I think you
will find your opinion of Syriana to be in the
extreme minority.
Just sayin...
BHN

But then again he probably never saw the movie himself. Hmmmmmm...

...find the NeoCons hard at work trying to either militarily subjugate those nations, or trying to overthrow their form of government. Here's a list:

Africa:

Algeria (Full member since July of 1969)
Libya (Full member since December of 1962)
Nigeria (Full member since July 1971)

Middle East:

Iran (Full member since founding in September of 1960)
Iraq (Full member since founding in September of 1960)
Kuwait (Full member since founding in September of 1960)
Qatar (Full member since December of 1961)
Saudi Arabia (Full member since founding in September of 1960)
United Arab Emirates (Full member since November of 1967)

South America:

Venezuela (Full member since founding in September of 1960)

Southeast Asia:

Indonesia (Full member since December of 1962 - membership currently under review - Indonesia is no longer a net oil exporter)

And who said Karl Rove was a genius?

Has Pat Robertson been praying for it lately and advocating? All I know is that I hope both those guys have good security...meanwhile, if anything happens to either Chavez or the new Bolivian President, the whole world is watching....

_Bush's friend Alvaro Uribe, and dispise Hugo Chavez.

This is an EXCELLENT bit of news, learning Venezuela has a very clear idea of who is behind this ugliness. Right-wingnuts have been yammering that Chavez simply makes things up. Having their right-wing Latin American President substantiate these revelations is lovely. I hope he'll pitch in and help round the bastards up.

By the way, I didn't see anything in the Prensa Latina article, nor the Al-Jazeera article which wasn't reiterated in the Yahoo article, etc. thoughtfully added later in the thread.
No surprise there.

These great minds never have any examples of propagandizing or outright lying in Prensa Latina, which would be so easy to point out, but that never seems to slow them down in their slanderous gibberish.

Pat Robertson told me so!!!11!!11! :crazy:

Edit: OMG the commies got the Moonie Times too! Where is this going to end?????

And Chavez has secretly bought EBAY AND Google while we were napping.

Scary huh?

...supporters of the enemies of Hugo Chavez. You'll also find the same posters going into overtime knee-jerk anti-Castro mode whenever Castro's name is mentioned.

None of this is LBN, but it's an important point to make for those honest DU posters who may be new and/or lurking.

what a pleasant surprise, could Uribe being feeling a bit isolated knowing the dramatic changes that have been taking place throughout Latin America. I suppose these days it gets lonely being a right winger when everyone else has moved in the opposite direction.





Colombian peace process

"I took responsibility before President Chavez and I took it in public, because the government of Colombia, which suffers from terrorism, cannot permit anyone to plot conspiracies, especially against a brother country," he said.

LOL!
:toast:
You mean the ones posting during
the commercial breaks of the Jerry Springer show?
BHN

why can't we just leave other countries alone??? we have so many problems here right now, why in God's name are we even entertaining the thought of overthrowing an ELECTED leader? at least he was elected. more than i can say for GDubs. can someone please overthrow him? ANYONE?????

We've been doing the shit for quite some time. That's why they hate us. We exploit them and their resources. x(

It could result in sanctions of much needed resources, namely oil. It could also prompt "pre-emptive" actions by foreign governments that might feel threatened by US actions.
Why isn't Congress and the media outraged by this revelation? Shouldn't Congress call the administration to answer for their belligerent actions?

for any fanatical World Domination crime they want to commit. You are right, they weaken our National Security in more ways than one when they play big bully. But hey... they are rich spoiled brats that never took responsibility for anything.

Not..

Oh wait, no... no it's not...

:-(

Oh wait, no... no you're not.

December, 27 - 7:15 AM


The US ignored Costa Rican proposal to extradite Bosch



Havana.– In May of 1976, the U.S. State Department chose to ignore an offer by the Costa Rican Government to extradite Orlando Bosch, a fugitive from U.S. justice, who had been detained in this Central American country for possession of a false Chilean passport.

A few months later, Venezuelan authorities arrested Bosch as a principal suspect in the Barbados attack of October 6, 1976 in which 73 people lost their lives in the explosion of a Cubana Aviation plane in mid-flight.

An official telegram from Wilburg Jiménez Castro, acting minister of foreign relations of Costa Rica, addressed to U.S. Representative Eduardo Mora Valverde proves, without the slightest doubt, an exchange of notes between himself and the State Department during this time.

In the document, Jiménez Castro first told the representative that the State Department had informed the Costa Rican Embassy in Washington, via the Department of Central American Affairs, that terrorist groups directed by Orlando Bosch "were going to attempt acts of violence in Costa Rica" on the occasion of an Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance meeting, according to a report received from the FBI.
(snip/...)

http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=8683

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In case you wonder who the President was in 1976, it was this guy:

Why would the State Dept. want to extradite one of our own agents, anyway?
So, I do sort of wonder what Sen. Castro thought he was doing?