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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:09 PM
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Disabled Veteran's Tribute Upsets Army Recruiters In Minnesota
Disabled Veteran's Tribute Upsets Army Recruiters In Minnesota
By MONICA DAVEY
& THE NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE
Published on 12/27/2005

Duluth, Minn. — As those thinking of becoming soldiers arrive on the slushy doorstep of the Army recruiting station here, they cannot miss the message posted in bold black letters on the storefront next door.

“Remember the Fallen Heroes,” the sign reads, and then it ticks off numbers — the number of American troops killed in Iraq, the number wounded, the number of days gone by since this war began.

The sign, put up by a former soldier, has stirred intense debate in this city along the edge of Lake Superior.

The seven recruiters at the station here, six of whom have served in Iraq, want the sign taken away. “It's disheartening,” Staff Sgt. Gary J. Capan, the station's commander, said.

“Everyone knows that people are dying in Iraq, but to walk past this on the way to work every day is too much,” Capan said.

(more)

http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=370043C8-923F-4A50-A719-7211E05E9C06

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:12 PM
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1. It's not the sign getting to you - it's the truth getting to you.
And the truth should eat at you.

Especially the truth about Iraq.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:16 PM
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10. It is easier to take down the sign than deal with the truth.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:07 PM
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12. exactly
:)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:15 PM
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2. Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5693570

and there are a few other threads floating around as well. :)
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:34 PM
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3. he objects to a memorial to soldiers who have died for his freedoms?
"The seven recruiters at the station here, six of whom have served in Iraq, want the sign taken away. “It's disheartening,” Staff Sgt. Gary J. Capan, the station's commander, said.

“Everyone knows that people are dying in Iraq, but to walk past this on the way to work every day is too much,” Capan said."
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Capan should be grateful that people are honoring the sacrifice of his fellow soldiers rather than ignoring their deaths.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:38 PM
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4. It's Called Truth In Advertising
You should try it. Wankers!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:38 PM
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5. I think the possibility of dying is part of the attraction of the military
to many people. It creates great potential for meaning(s) where few or little meaning/purpose existed previously. Afterall, you have to justify all of that dying somehow.

I wish anti-war efforts focused more on what we do to others when we decide to kill for whatever purpose. That discourse could focus more on why the following statement is literally true:

Oil Royalty = Pilate
BushCo = Herod
ALL Innocent Dead = Jesus
You = ?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:40 PM
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6. SUV salesmen probably recognize the feeling.
Recruiters, blame the neocons who squander your lives and morale--not the citizens who point it out.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:16 PM
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7. Hey.. the troops died for the right for that vet to have his sign.
Or isn't that the story they use over and over to get the kids to join up???
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:50 PM
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8. kick
:kick:
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SomewhereOutThere424 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:46 PM
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9. Yep, that's about right
It's horrible they'd consider putting out signs discussing death. You have to put signs up promoting death, or tricking others into dying nowadays. :sarcasm:

I mean after all if people weren't dying how could bush possibly make the republicans look good for cheating an election for him? :eyes:

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:26 PM
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11. The Army spends over 100 million dollars on advertising
They get more free advertising from video games and patriotic news cuts on the networks.

But one private sign has them all bent out of shape.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:19 PM
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13. meet the new girly-army. they can't HANDLE the truth.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:36 PM
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14. they dare to whine about someone's freedom of expression while
claiming to be fighting to give iraqis those same freedoms? do they not see the hypocrisy?
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:38 PM
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15. What a great story - it really sums up so much
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:52 PM
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16. I wonder if this woman would object if he had a billboard...
or two with pictures and profiles of all soldiers KIA on it.

--One woman who had just returned from duty in Iraq, he said, found the sign especially disconcerting and impersonal. “It was upsetting to veterans who don't look at their friends and colleagues killed as numbers on a list,”--

And...remove his sign, on what grounds?

None.
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blackhorse Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:09 AM
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17. Message for Staff Sergeant Capan -
... the army is looking for plenty of NCOs in Iraq. Go there, and the sign will no longer be part of the daily routine, and no longer a reminder that the U.S. Army is subordinate to a civil government that is supposed be serving a democracy with constitutionally guaranteed freedoms for its citizens.

These self-admiring idiots have been on the propaganda drug for so long that they have completely abandoned any connection with reality. This kind of attitude in the military is what the nation will continue to reap as long as the military is continually cheered on like some kind of home town football team on steroids. FWIW, I think civil-military relations in the 1930s had some things to recommend to the modern day, particularly the idea that soldiering was not seen as a popular thing to do. After the generals garnered glory in World War II, they found the glory a likeable thing and pretty much have poured dollars into making sure things stayed that way ever since, with the notable exception of the Vietnam War. I have not explained the genesis of this situation well, but there is a 1985 work that hits the theme expertly: "The Pentagon and the Art of War", by Edward Luttwak.

Cheers

BH
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:50 AM
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18. makes it hard to lie to those young people
doesn't it you POS. Just remember you recruits, you are just an OFU (One Fodder Unit), not a human.
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