Chiefs demoted in Pentagon succession line

This will strengthen the BFEE and weaken the military. I'm sure that they did this for a soon to be needed reason.

this move strengthens civilian control of the military and is a good thing.

Not with Bush in office it ain't!

besides, an Army that thinks it can and should challenge a sitting President is not a healthy development. A paramount feature of strong democracies is a non-political military firmly under civilian control - I cannot imagine any other situation for America.

I said the POTUS seems to fear the Army! Not the other way around. I was in the Army and know for a fact how brainwashed soldiers get, the fear is unwarranted by the BFEE IMO.

whether or not Bush fears the Army.

I don't think Bush has any reason to fear the Army - they realize nothing good would ever come of it. Besides, what has Bush done to raise the ire of the Army - morale is high as thousands of career officers and NCOs get to do what they signed up to do. They are fighting a war where they have never lost a major engagement and the chance of being killed is a historical low - from a career military persecutive it couldn't be any better - plenty of medals and promotions.

Have you contemplated just WHICH civilians
are being given these powers?
I can assure you this is NOT a good thing.
BHN

will you still complain? Regardless of who is president, a subservient military is a good thing - historically the military is the enemy of democracy. Look at South American.

Hmmmm......

unlike Hitler's army they have not sworn a personal oath to GWB. Are you really suggesting that an Army coup is in your best interest?

I'm leaving the country.

When the chain of command is sworn to uphold an oath
to defend the United States against enemies, both
domestic and foreign, that is subservience.

When civilians, whose only allegience is to the
the United Global Multi National Corporatists,
are given chain of command, whose interest
do you suppose THEY will be acting in?

BHN

...the NeoCons are setting the stage for continued control of the U. S. Government after 2008. That's why all of these unprecedented reorganizational moves are being done now.

Are you starting to get the picture?

replaced by whomever is president, so I do not see how this does anything other than promote neo-cons, for the time being, over career military men. It promotes neocons for the time being and immediately now over career military men, but I don't see how it guarantees neo-cons in the roles after 2008, unless another neo-con is selected president.

thing.

Simply because these CRIMINAL REPUKES are doing it it is a BAD thing.

Are we clear now?

Look WHO and WHICH ONES are being demoted and WHO and WHICH ONES are being promoted.

These criminal REPUKES are systematically getting rid of all the PROFESSIONALS and DEMOCRATS and replacing them with REPUKE CRIMINALS!

Lawlessness stands in the present. When all laws have been broken by the
our ruthless leaders
and justice as we now know is determined by the whims and wills
of those who stole power....

You say a weak military is good?


Hmmmm.......interesting foot you stand on.

leads to more freedom?

nt

The Army was the instrument of civilian power - you merely reinforce my point.

You do understand that the NeoCons control the military, right?

Who will we invade next? Iran? Syria? Both?

Who will we practice the self-proclaimed practice of nuclear preemptive strike?

Do you still think it's a good thing that THIS group of civilians controls the military?

If you do, you need to wake the heck up.

Or perhaps a reminder to the Armed Forces in general as to where they stand - lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Defense-Doomsday-Succession.html

December 28, 2005
Chiefs Demoted in Pentagon Succession Line
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 4:42 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The three military service chiefs have been dropped in the Bush administration's doomsday line of Pentagon succession, pushed beneath three civilian undersecretaries in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's inner circle.

A little-noticed holiday week executive order from President Bush moved the Pentagon's intelligence chief to the No. 3 spot in the succession hierarchy behind Rumsfeld. The second spot would be the deputy secretary of defense, but that position currently is vacant. The Army chief, which long held the No. 3 spot, was dropped to sixth.

..more at article..... :grr:

These guys are insane. They won't stop. They need to be stopped and they will be stopped. Either by true conservatives or by the Dems after Nov.'06

ANYTHING they do that has the word 'DOOMSDAY' in it cannot bode well. it seems to me that they simply have no plans to ever relinquish power.

What the hell is a "doomsday line of Pentagon succession" is?

Thank you in advance.

if large numbers of senior government officials were killed or incapacitated in a nuclear attack or some other such disaster. There is a line of succession - you just go down the list until you get to the first living official.

mind, it will go something like this:

"Iran is less than a decade away from having nukes, and Iran with nukes spells doomsday. We need to do something right NOW, but everyone is out of town on some sort of holiday - no time to contact them so we'll just go with Rummy and his gang who just happen to be in town this week."

Sort of like his fondness of recess appointments...:eyes:

I would very much want these criminals to be caught fully alive & brought to justice-they must not be allowed to become martyrs. With the way this group has acted over the last 15 years-I am including his years as gov of TX as well-I'd arrest quite a few because they're awfully suspicious even now.

The question is then: "Who among the still warm and breathing members of the federal government assumes executive power?" What is the line of legitimate succession? That is what this is about.

Of course, the question is why is someone worrying about twiddling the order of succession now? It does suggest a distrust of the professional military, and one might at least entertain the idea that that distrust is warranted, since the professional military establishment has been ruthlessly exploited by the present administration, and the military leadership provided by the present administration has been sadly lacking in skill. In the old Roman days we would have had a new Emperor by now. If that is so, that also implies some disaffection between the professional military and the political class. This is not hard to understand given the debacle in Iraq, military establishments have a long history of taking peremptory action against truly incompetent leadership, and that is surely what we have now. So whether the fears of the Bushites are warranted, I submit they are well founded in history and the situation.

AND, if your were planning on total
crushing of dissent or opposition
you couldn't very well ask your military
leaders to carry it out, given the oath they
taken.
Civilian puppets, hand picked from your corporatist cast of
elites, on the other hand...
BHN

are obeyed. But at least this way, they know the orders
can be given, because they will give them. It would be
most embarrassing to have to remove and replace a high-
ranking officer that refuses orders because they are illegal;
and in the immediate period after a usurpation it is very
essential to control appearances until one's position is
secure.

This time, into a fully-occupied part of the building. While the high-ranking civilians just happen to be out of DC....

I wonder what they define as "doomsday".

if he thinks he can control things after he is gone well good luck!!!

and cronies and demoting further the top military.

the military brass being people who have actually SERVED and honor the lives of those under them. The politicos being neocon chicken hawks who state that troops are "fungible" or somehow just another pair of boots not really people who happen to matter - just easily replaced commodities.

Thanks to bigtree.


Bush changed Order of Succession for DOD: Intel Sec. now #3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5677325#5677757

It's apparently not limited to successions likely to be affected by impeachment.

Civilians are not under the oath sworn to
by the military chain of command.
And the particular civilians owned
by the multi national corporates who will
be moved into these positions don't care if
we live or die.
BHN

It's beginning to make me wonder.

What are they so scared of?

the Chairman of the JCS correcting the rummy one...

the bushies are all pigslime

I wrote to him to thank him. Let those honest people in the Pentagon know they have the support of the American people against the treasonous bush regime.

Summary: Bravo to General Pace, Semper Fi MARINE
Date Created: 12/02/2005 12:45 AM

Where can I write or email General Pace to thank him for his defending the honor of the military and the American people?

The American people are sickened by the ongoing torture and rendition of innocent Arabs who are caught "the way one catches and sells a fish" as one victim spoke of his capture by bounty hunters.

I try to keep up with Amnesty, ACLU and http://www.CagePrisoner.com. As PBS said in their recent brave expose of the torture that is being practiced on the orders of the bush regime, it is so horrible, you want to turn away but "In order for evil to flourish, it is only necessary that good people do nothing."

What General Pace did on National television was so brave considering the vengeful bush regime that people thought they were dreaming. If I can find it on Crooks and Liars, I will download it and watch it again and again to prove to myself that however dark the bush crime family has made our world there is still hope if a General will speak the truth to power in public.

Thank you General Pace.

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Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you. You may write to General Pace at the following address:

General Peter Pace, USMC
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
The Pentagon
Washington, DC 20301

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==Steve Clemons http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

Larry Wilkerson Erases Any Doubts About Cheney-Rumsfeld Cabal in Tomorrow Morning's Los Angeles Times

Looks like there is another kind of Cheney/Halliburton deal:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051112-124504-9250r.htm


The recess appointment would clear the way for Mr. Winter, the former corporate vice president of Northrop Grumman Mission Systems, to be formally sworn in as the Navy's top civilian official. Mr. Winter will not be sworn in until Mr. England moves up, a Pentagon spokesman said yesterday.

Sen. John W. Warner, Virginia Republican, who has urged Bush to make recess appointments to fill wartime vacancies at the Pentagon, assured the Senate that this is a temporary situation, and does not set a precedent for other similar shuffles.

"To me, the advice-and-consent process is a very precise obligation of the Senate," Mr. Warner said during debate on the Senate floor. "This type of action is taken in this case because it is my understanding that the president will make a recess appointment within 120 days."

Sen. Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Republican, and Sen. Trent Lott, Mississippi Republican, both have holds on Mr. England's confirmation. His approval has been contested primarily over shipbuilding concerns and potential conflict-of-interest issues surrounding pensions he holds from defense companies

Coming to a theatre near you...

as these neoconsters have created the scenarios for total power takeover. 9/11 is either LIHOP or MIHOP which sets up the scenario, the first domino to fall. Cheney's secret energy meeting with his greedy friends probably already had Iraq split up, then proceeded to hype the propaganda for the war, hiring a PR firm like Rendon to sell it to the clueless Americans. To me, they have created the scenarios so that they can implement their devious plans. I don't believe any of this is be chance; it looks like design to me. This would make for a great novel, because the sick characters I'm seeing, I wish they weren't real.

the "Doomsday" project have existed for a long time and are being finessed.
And the original Dr. Strangelove was based partly on Kissenger according to the author.

See Wiki or search engine for REX84, Cable Splicer, Garden Plot, FEMA Concentration Camps and more recently Operation Granite and V.I.P.E.R.

"As Able Danger was axed immediately after King George's accension. It was widely reported that all intelligence gathering involving the Saudi's was quashed.

Best article I've found describing Able Danger is at Army project . It's interesting, but a bit long.

More about Tice Retired Commander Jeff Huber has some more info on Tice and the attempts to discredit any and all whistleblowers, including Ms. Rowley.
Snoopgate: A lonesome whistle blows

Huber also does a look back at the last time the white house got called on the carpet for illegally amassing information about American citizens in Big Brother's Been Watching"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/26/125159/40

===Congress needs Coleen Rowley (FISA Whistleblower) :kick:

Recommended. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT - Don't let bush and warner do this under the radar.

Makes me wonder why the State of the Union was postponed till the
last day in January.

Tinfoil hatters on this one?

that via a series of similar executive orders, Rummy was in charge of air defense http://justicefor911.org/iiA2_ChainofCommand_111904.php and Cheney was in charge of all counter-terror response planning and organization. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/postelection.html#p5

:tinfoilhat:

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2005/12/23/154253/88
==by Jeff Huber
Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 03:42:53 PM EST

Here's an interesting story that hasn't hit the mainstream press yet. A press release from Official Wire says that Russ Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, has sent two letters to the Chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees regarding the NSA's surveillance of Americans.

Mr. Tice intends to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while he was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency (NSA) and with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). These acts involved the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and were conducted via very highly sensitive intelligence programs and operations known as Special Access Programs (SAP). SAP programs and operations are more commonly referred to as "black world" programs and operations. Mr. Tice was a technical intelligence specialist dealing almost exclusively with SAP programs and operations at both NSA and DIA.

Mr. Tice stated: "As a Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) officer it is continually drilled into us that the very first law chiseled in the SIGINT equivalent of the Ten Commandments (USSID-18) is that Thou shall not spy on American persons without a court order from FISA. This law is continually drilled into each NSA intelligence officer throughout his or her career. The very people that lead the National Security Agency have violated this holy edict of SIGINT."

<...>

It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind that I wish to report to congress acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional. The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state."

This could play large in the Snoopgate scandal, perhaps in a bizarre way. Mr. Tice has a stormy history with his former employer. In May 2005, FEDERALTIMES ran a story on Tice's departure from the NSA.

Snoopgate: a Lonesome Whistle Blows

http://www.ellsberg.net/truthtellingproject/activities.html

http://www.pogo.org
Government Accountability Project

of whistle blowers and the same topic or subject matter.
Kinda of in a way a class action suit.

Singlets don't work.

Large groups will.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20051229%2F2213935858.htm&sc=1152&ewp=ewp_news_1205doomsday&floc=NW_1-T

(on netscape's home page, the headline is "Bush Shakes Up Pentagon's 'Doomsday' Emergency Plans")

A little-noticed holiday week executive order from President Bush moved the Pentagon's intelligence chief to the No. 3 spot in the succession hierarchy behind Rumsfeld. The second spot would be the deputy secretary of defense, but that position currently is vacant. The Army secretary, which long held the No. 3 spot, was dropped to sixth.

<snip>

Technically, the line of succession is assigned to specific positions, rather than the current individuals holding those jobs.

But in its current incarnation, the doomsday plan moves to near the top three undersecretaries who are Rumsfeld loyalists and who previously worked for Vice President Dick Cheney when he was defense secretary.

<snip>

My take? They're really circling the wagons . . . hold on to your hats, MIHOPers . . .

So, go figure . . . They must be waiting for news to be verified by liberal blogs before actually stepping into the shallow end of the press pool . . .

Thomas Donnelly, a defense expert with the American Enterprise Institute, said the changes make it easier for the administration to assert political control and could lead to more narrow-minded decisions.

``It continues to devalue the services as institutions,'' said Donnelly, saying it will centralize power and shift it away from the services, where there is generally more military expertise.

When will the MSM identify the AEI as a radical rightwing think tank?

These people make me :puke:

They are the ones that the smarmy crew plays to for the loving applauding audiences and they are disgusting beyond belief. Filled with wingnuts of the highest stripe.

:argh:

My stomach churned a little at the "DOOMSDAY" word.WTF?What are these batshit crazy bastards up to now......

but for what reason now? It's been no secret that they want power centralized in the WH - that desire has been reiterated several times in various articles regarding "Spygate". Cheney et al have been quite candid about it. I'm getting a bad feeling on this one, are we in for another set-up?

ever before . . . maybe the sheeple are starting to wake up and pull the "wool" from their eyes?