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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 11:24 PM
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Iraqi Shiites told "leave or die"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/?nav=globaltop

"Salim Rashid, 34, a Shiite laborer in an overwhelmingly Sunni Arab village 20 miles north of Baghdad, received his eviction notice Friday from a man at the door with a rocket launcher.

"It's 6 p.m.," Rashid recounted the masked man saying then, as retaliatory violence between Shiites and Sunnis exploded across wide swaths of central Iraq. "We want you out of here by 8 p.m. tomorrow. If we find you here, we will kill you."

Nope...no civil war here...Good job chimpy.

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 11:25 PM
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1. see, it's not a civil war
it's just ethnic cleansing.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:23 PM
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12. See, you're right, if it was a civil war, he would have just shot him...
:sarcasm:

What I think everyone one in the gov't and media are feeding the public is their perception of what a civil war should look like.

Up till now everyone is under the belief that a civil war is two or three clear cut sides that have armies that move against each other. As in our own civil war or the one that erupted after the yugoslavia collapsed.

They fail to realize that most civil wars don't have a clear cut face, aren't all neat and tiddy and rarely if ever have organized armies.

What we are seeing in Iraq is a civil war with a healthy dose of ethnic cleansing.

civil war
n.
A war between factions or regions of the same country.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 11:27 PM
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2. Well... in fairness, it was pretty civil of the Sunni to give the Shiite
time to leave. :sarcasm:
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 11:55 PM
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3. A full 26 hours to pack the bags and load the kids
and Korans into the Kia...I'd take it.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:32 PM
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15. I'm sorry but that was
fucking hilarious.....
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:11 AM
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4. If we ignore all the bad news, it's actually really good in Iraq.
:sarcasm:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:13 PM
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14. Remember when Tom DeLay said Iraq was no worse off than Houston?
:wtf:

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:32 PM
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18. it's no worse off than New Orleans, anyway
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:39 AM
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5. How very sad
and how very much none of our business.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:24 AM
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6. Sad
Iraqi license plate "Leave or Die"

New Hampshire plate: "Live Free Or Die"

Hmmmmmmm.......
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:24 AM
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7. "as retaliatory violence between Shi'ites and Sunnis
exploded across wide swaths of central Iraq" ... just the excuse du jour. Reports of such things have been increasing in the last few years.

Saddam's Weltanschauung didn't differ significantly from those of his fellow Sunni Arab tribesmen.

And they have the hypocrisy to rail against the Kurds for doing the same kinds of thing.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:28 AM
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8. GOP will spin this as an issue of Eminent Domain. n/t
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 09:19 AM
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9. try to remember...
the neocons WANT the chaos to continue. It justifies their continued presence in Iraq (you know, four of the 14 planned *permanent* bases already constructed). If the Iraqis could get a true self-rule in place, how long before they kicked us out? Duh.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 10:19 AM
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10. Exactly...
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 10:22 AM by StrafingMoose
Each time I see these kind of events in Iraq, I think I'm allowed to think that the prime suspect is the Coalition.

"We can't pull out because all the Arabs will kill each other off!" Extremely old British propaganda that, unfortunately, alot of people today still consider as a potential argument.





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SYNERCHOSIS Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:58 PM
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21. It's funny how Iraq explodes into civil war
at about the same time that we find out 72% of the troops want to come home
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 10:21 AM
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11. Okay, i'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but doesn't that amount to
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 10:22 AM by converted_democrat
genocide??
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:57 PM
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13. Technically it's ethnic cleansing
He was given the option of moving, after all. Bu the important thing to remember is that, whatever it it is, it's NOT a civil war. I saw Richard Perle say so on Tweety. And he should know. He planned to whole thing.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:20 PM
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16. when a guy with a rocket launcher comes to your door
you know it's time to leave town. What a disaster our little war has created. :hide:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:27 PM
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17. I still am confused as to why the Shi'ites assumed that...
the Golden Dome Moaque destruction was conducted by Sunnis. It could have been al Z's group, Iranians, the UK or even the USA. Lot's of possible suspects besides Sunnis.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:36 PM
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19. that's the problem when you try people with street justice instead of
going through an investigation, indictment, court trial and sentencing.

What a mess in Iraq. Thanks, ChimpCo---I wish we could make you pay for setting up new goverment, security force and infrastructure that's been destroyed, instead of sticking the bill to taxpayers who didn't want to go to war in the first place.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:47 PM
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20. I immediately thought of this story when I heard this
http://colorado.indymedia.org/newswire/display/11757/index.php


Iraqi police detain two British soldiers in Basra
China View – September 19, 2005

Iraqi police detained two British soldiers in civilian clothes in the southern city Basra for firing on a police station on Monday, police said.

"Two persons wearing Arab uniforms opened fire at a police station in Basra. A police patrol followed the attackers and captured them to discover they were two British soldiers," an Interior Ministry source told Xinhua.

The two soldiers were using a civilian car packed with explosives, the source said.

He added that the two were being interrogated in the police headquarters of Basra.

The British forces informed the Iraqi authorities that the two soldiers were performing an official duty, the source said. British military authorities said they could not confirm the incident but investigations were underway.


They were broken out of jail by a tank. No official explanation has ever been offered. The Sunnis had a lot more to lose than to gain by blowing up that shrine. Shiite death squads have totally free rein in Iraq. I know I wouldn't do it under those circumstances. :shrug:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 04:09 PM
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22. Civil war on.
Was it this bad when Saddam was in power?

:(
rocknation
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 05:12 PM
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23. Was that masked man....CLINTON?? It's all his fault, you know.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 09:07 AM
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24. Here's the proper link for the article
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 12:07 PM
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25. Are the death squads targeting Sunnis?
It seems it's going both ways--so who gains with chaos? Hmmm. The British, in their grand colonial days, had the plan of divide and conquer. Pit two factions against each other, thereby, weakening both, then conquering both. Does this sound like what's happening? It looks like Iraq is being "Balkanized."
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 12:10 PM
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26. Looks like we turned another "kerner" in Iraq! nt
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