S.D. Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law

Gov. Mike Rounds on Monday signed legislation banning almost all abortions in South Dakota.
The Legislature passed the ban late last month, focusing nationwide interest on the state as the governor decided what to do about the measure.

The law, designed to raise a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, is scheduled to take effect July 1. Under the law, doctors in South Dakota will face up to five years in prison for performing an abortion except when the procedure is necessary to save the mother's life.

Rounds issued a technical veto of a similar measure two years ago because it would have wiped out all existing restrictions on abortion while the bill was tied up for years in a court challenge. South Dakota Planned Parenthood said it planned a quick court challenge.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060306/ap_on_re_us/sd_abortion_south_dakota_1

How many lives is he going to lose because of this?

I do NOT approve of abortions, I think they're wrong, however, it's none of my f'n bizness to tell someone else they can't have an abortion! It's their civil right to decide what to do, I don't want coat hangers being brought back out! I'm a moderate, and no one here WANTS abortions to occur, if you want abortion to definitely be going on in humanity, I question your own, I however, question the humanity of ANYONE who says that a woman should be forced to have a baby she, in her justification does not want to have occur! ESSSSPECIALLY pregnancies from RAPE and INCEST. EEW DISGUSTING!

This is shameful, and will bring back many surgery errors in houses, dark alleys, and will blacken this country once again. 5 years of Dubya has been too many! Here's some images that touch me -

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

And, like you, I also realize it's not my fucking choice to make.

I hope to god the Supreme Court supports Roe v Wade when the time comes. A conservative court ruling like that should shut all the Repugs who bitch about ativist judges up.

Based on their "LIFE FROM FERTILIZATION ON" that would mean in majority of cases plain old birth control pills, probably the Morning After, definitely the IUD, and most probably other drugs prescribed for illnesses totally unrelated to birth control. Ever read on a pack of meds, "Do not take if you plan to be pregnant, are pregnant, or lactating."

As I said on another thread, what's next? Tampon Cemeteries? Every fertilized egg deserves a "decent burial"?

Any guess as to when this will reach the USSC?

and I hope they have ACLU backing or start asking for donations.

A district court will strike it down, the state supreme court will likely strike it down, and the state will appeal it to the USSC.

What happens then is anyone's guess. My guess is that their law is too restrictive for anybody but Scalia and Thomas to love.

After all, they only want to punish women for sex they had a chance of enjoying.

to this court fight.

http://www.ppmns.org. This is the Planned Parenthood Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota we site. Sorry, I don't know how to provide links yet.

vacation dollars there.

I suggest looking at every possible legal angle. . .including criminal charges against the legislators involved.

the felony level, to subvert the SD law by organizing feminist underground women's health collectives to provide family planning services to poor women (the law's principal target).

We both believe this is an issue worth going to jail\prison for, and we are now deciding how to implement our decision.

people have their little taliban.

way faster than the average case, before bush is out of office for sure.

how fast, but seems to me that they will wait until after the November elections. Hope I am wrong.

Slap the evildoers in the face. Energize the base. Steal the election. I think the next move by bushco is going to be outright contemptuous of even the facade of democracy.

there are too many layers to go through for that. It has at least (I don't know the SD legal system) two levels at the State level, and at least two more at the Federal level. you can't appeal to SCOTUS until everyone else who has jurisdiction has heard your case. this takes years.

Seems like only yesterday that the Supreme Court was shifted to the right with the placement of Roberts and Alito... and already the move is being made to criminalize abortion. I figued it would be inevitable once those appointments were made, but I am stunned by the rapidity of this action.

I do have one question though. What proof does is required of a woman in the case of rape or incest? And doesn't this place an undue burden on the woman seeking an abortion in those cases. Why should a woman have to reveal such information if she doesn't want to discuss it? These are the question that make the whole argument about rape and incest irrelevent. The woman should not have to provide any reason for the proceedure.

I'll be damned if I'll have a rapist's baby!:mad:

that they won't be getting your tourist dollars!!

The only way to hurt these bastards is in their wallet!!

Address please? :)



Thanks : )

http://travelsd.com/feedback/info.asp

South Dakota
Department of Tourism and State Development
711 East Wells Avenue
Pierre, SD 57501-3369
(605) 773-3256, fax
Economic Development
(605) 773-5032, phone
www.sdgreatprofits.com

Tourism
(605) 773-3301, phone
www.TravelSD.com

Tribal Government Relations
(605) 773-3415, phone
www.sdtribalrelations.com

South Dakota Arts Council
800 Governor's Drive
Pierre, SD 57501-2294
(605) 773-3131, phone
www.state.sd.us/deca/sdarts/

State Historical Society
900 Governor's Drive
Pierre, SD 57501-2217
(605) 773-3458, phone
www.sdhistory.org

Just wanted to let you know that our family will NEVER travel to South Dakota, we will NEVER spend one penny in your state, and my girls will NEVER attend college in your state. You can thank your governor and the state legislature for this. Abortions need to be prevented, not outlawed, through education, access to contraception, access to healthcare, and a strong economy.

Your last sentence is so logical and so succinct it should appeal.

My already low opinion of SD just hit rock bottom. There's a lot of good people from SD who move to Minnesota for jobs and education, and even they hold their home state in very low regard.

have an RV--see the hills etc. But i will talk them into going to elsewhere!

Thanks for the addresses.

I doubt you'll miss much. Is there anything to see in SD besides Mt. Rushmore? There must not even be many people if there's only one abortion clinic in the whole state.

I've seen Mt. Rushmore 3 times, and have been to DeSmet S.D. twice (Wilder Homestead).
Therefore, I do not need, and don't want to, go back, EVER.

Massah wants to control the women. Massah says incest is best. Massah says rape is a good thing.
Massah says women are too stupid to know what's best for them. Massah says women need to shut up and spread their legs.

da man have to do some work? Screw dat shi'. That's wha dumb bitches supposa be fo'.

and nothing must ever violate the sacred conduit.

for vasectomies as well as Viagra!!!

like holy men who partake of mind expanding drugs to better commune with the gods, the sacred conduit needs viagra - unlike those evil women and their birth control - wanting to prevent the sacred conduit from implanting the holy seed.

(you know, somewhere out there - some people really think this way...and I find that appalling)


:(

Wonder what those dudes up on Mt. Rushmore would have to say about that?

control...I think I heard on Laura Flanders that the majority of the people of SD did not want this...am I wrong...If this is so they must get rid of there repug control of the state...Ohio too..

it's all about the legislators, not the people

these thoughts:

1) There are a LOT of people like Bush, with no ability to distinguish Reality from their paranoid, grandiose fantasies. If the Mental Health screening ever comes in, and is run honestly (fat chance, I know), it is these people who will be identified and pumped full of Thorazine.

2) There is a Predator class, which has been well-fed ever since St. Ronnie started subsidizing them, which will soon explode again from gluttony. The question is: will anyone put these people behind bars and starve them?

3) The truly silent (and sane) majority isn't as big as we need it to be, and it needs to get real vocal real quick.

4) Putting them all in one corner of the country and sealing the borders is looking more attractive every day.

since there is no more South Dakota, not as a state of the "land of the free" anyway :grr: , the "North" is superfluous.

edit: smilies

As in Draconian: Exceedingly harsh; very severe: a draconian legal code; draconian budget cuts.

I have come to DU and harshly put down entire states only before (Kansas & Texas). I have hammered my own state for weaknesses (to the NRA). So when I say South Dakota has joined the the ranks of the abhorrent, I do not do so lightly. They have a chance at redemption.

As in Draconian: Exceedingly harsh; very severe: a draconian legal code; draconian budget cuts.

I have come to DU and harshly put down entire states only before (Kansas & Texas). I have hammered my own state for weaknesses (to the NRA). So when I say South Dakota has joined the the ranks of the abhorrent, I do not do so lightly. They have a chance at redemption.

As in Draconian: Exceedingly harsh; very severe: a draconian legal code; draconian budget cuts.

I have come to DU and harshly put down entire states only before (Kansas & Texas). I have hammered my own state for weaknesses (to the NRA). So when I say South Dakota has joined the the ranks of the abhorrent, I do not do so lightly. They have a chance at redemption.

I like your Dung Beetle avatar.:D

Those bugs are Skinner's up-date

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11699703/

The Governor of South Dakota is a P.I.G.!!!!!!!!!

According to the article Gov. Mike Rounds said this:

"In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them."

So there is no child left behind in South Dakota? The elderly all have heat, meds and access to health care? You betcha "Mr. it's time for distraction circus as Election 2006 is here." I would bet down deep in this cesspool there is still Abramhoff money percolating controversial things that put the Rs in a good light.

clean and adequate clothing, all have stay-at-home moms who look & act just like June Cleaver, all have wealthy grandparents who have set up education trusts.

Comments like Gov. Rounds make me want to :puke:

I didn't write it, but wish I had:


Anti-abortion activists in South Dakota claim to be concerned about the ''800 children aborted'' in that state each year, and the State Legislature agrees. Apparently, their concern stops at birth.

According to the Children's Defense Fund, more than 27,000 children live in poverty in South Dakota; 18,000 have no health insurance; and two-thirds of fourth graders perform below grade level in math and reading.

The state's rankings regarding infant mortality, prenatal care and education spending per pupil are abysmal.

Where is the legislation to improve the lives of children already living in South Dakota?
I will never understand legislators who revere the fetus yet ignore the plight of the child once born.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03EED91631F93BA15751C0A9609C8B63&sec=&pagewanted=print

27% illegal in most cases! That's a huge number!

Cripes, who chooses what cases are going to be outlawed?!

We have an overwhelming mandate by republican definition.

Sad... I would think at least 65-70% would be pro-choice.

about how many think it should be illegal in most cases. What I'd like to see is a poll with a breakdown of how many women approve or disapprove, and the same poll with just men. I have an idea that most of the disapproval comes from men, but would be interested in how much difference there is in the opinions of men vs. women.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollPrint.aspx?g=cfe335ff-10fe-48a4-b674-af9d1e7b373f

From the polls I've seen, there is no statistical difference between the proportions of men and women who are pro-choice in the USA.

Surprising, really. Here in Australia, polls usually show greater support for abortion rights among men than women.

The men are probably having visions of the Child Support Agency confiscating their wages to support children they never wanted.

You're looking at a WORTHLESS media poll. It costs money and requires expertise to compile accurate data- and KUSA Denver isn't going to pony that money up.

If you cited this poll in a grad school class, you're receive a failing grade.

My suspicion is that if you dug around in the journals or looked at the GSS, you'd find substantial differences.

I'm a Psychology major, and the data I'd like you to see isn't free on the internet. It costs.

My suspicion is that if you dug around in the journals

I have.

you'd find substantial differences.

There aren't.

Thought that might interest you, but apparently it doesn't. My bad. Bunyip out...

it came from a credible source. Unfortunately, in America it's well known (at least in universities) that these companies are hired to influence public opinion. They're not interested in determining what it is- not for that price.

Candidates running for office are interested in that sort of thing- and so they pay big money for "internals" and they keep those cards held close to their chest.

Here's a place you might look for some differences. GSS data. Good representative samples, large N.

I'll bet you'll find some significant difference if you run the cross tabs and such.

http://sda.berkeley.edu/D3/GSS04/Docyr/gs04.htm

Politicians aren't the only ones to deliberately manipulate surveys. University researchers do it all the time over here on politically charged issues. :(

I'm impressed that Berkley is giving away that data. :toast:

I haven't checked significance, but the frequencies show men slightly to be more supportive of choice than women in the case of birth defects and no-more-children.

So many variables... I should try to get that data into SPSS, but I have a class to go to. Could easily spend a few days analysing that data only to report "patterns of support for abortion are more complex than popularly believed"

We (their peers) bust 'em!

I haven't worked with the GSS data in a while, so I'm not sure how much you can do to manipulate the variables online.

The data sets should download just fine into SPSS.

and yep, patterns usually are more complex than popularly believed. Prolly some collinearity going on in there, among other things....

there seems to be an age, rather gender difference.

it used to be in the 60% as I recall. Now at 51%.

One can only hope that people who haven't really been paying attention will begin to wake up to what is happening in their Red States.

THe people of South Dakota need to vote Rounds and his merry band of facist legislators out of office. Every. last. one. of. them.

Mz Pip
:dem:

Machines. Once this hits the SC I get to tell my repug friends "I told you so!" but it will not be vindicating.

because it isn't true that these criminals were elected. It's a truthiness spin line repeated by the Republicans to kick those of us who know how they obtained power. It's even gone out of fashion lately, probably because they don't want the landslide it would take to force them out of power.

it is irrelevant in a discussion of what rights a person has or does not have. My freedom is not dependent upon the whim of majorities.

It was true of birth control, and voters rights and interracial marriage. And the same should be true when it comes to gay marriage.

Take a look at the Sioux Falls Argus Leader article about this and the adjacent ad copy.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060306/NEWS/60306019

Dear S.D.,
I don't like abortions, no one does, but I will NOT have a RAPIST'S BABY you sick people, what a messed up State House we have. Abortion is something we can only hope to lead others to not have, we can't stop them.

(not that there's anything wrong with sex shops! In any other state)

As the Repukes are now weak on national security, they have to get the Fund-A-Mental cases all riled up.

I'm willing to bet that this will NOT make it to the Supreme Court until AFTER the '06 elections... it's just too useful of a wedge issue

If we agressively appeal to moderates & libertarians, we could wedge them away fromt he GOP w/ this.

Most moderates & Libertarians have always thought- "The Republicans will never out law abortion, so I dont think about that issue much..."

and I suspect it might even get out more voters than the Fundies can rally

While we could actually get moderate & libertarian Bush voters to come on over.

This will back fire on Rove *if* Democrats can be blunt about this and use it to divide Libertarians & moderates away from the GOP voting lever.

This only helps Rove if Democrats are too frightened to confront the issue bluntly.

This will back fire on Rove *if* Democrats can be blunt about this and use it to divide Libertarians & moderates away from the GOP voting lever.

This only helps Rove if Democrats are too frightened to confront the issue bluntly.

Nearly all operations outlawed in direct challenge to Roe v. Wade
BREAKING NEWS

Updated: 2:26 p.m. ET March 6, 2006
PIERRE, S.D. - Gov. Mike Rounds signed legislation Monday banning nearly all abortions in South Dakota, setting up a court fight aimed at challenging the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

The bill would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless the procedure was necessary to save the woman’s life. It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.

Planned Parenthood, which operates the state’s only abortion clinic, in Sioux Falls, has pledged to challenge the measure in court.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11699703/

pregnant teen to get an abortion....

In a sterilized kitchen or large bathroom.

Or, during off hours at a private office.

This has been a dirty secret in suburbs for years.

i did not know that

And sit there exposed with all those white trash girls?

This is why Re pubs don't care- THEY can get abortions whenever they want.

parenthood should invest in exposing those that pull little tricks like this. they should also step up the request for better health care for the women who are being forced to care to term.

embarrass the hell out of them. take out billboards about how many are not carrying to term and how much help they are getting from the protectors of the unborn.

doesn't try to ingest some toxic substance or try to committ suicide first, thereby killing the fetus anyway..... and possibly herself in the process.

Oh yeah, they have this ALL figured out.
(can't find sarcasm thingy)

Politics used to destroy people lives. Republicanism...

called the 'peewee herman act' the s d legislature is quickly putting together a bill that would make masturbation a capital crime. now they need to find an executioner who doesn't jackoff!!

"...So, I'm not voting on his views on abortion..."

"I'm voting on his stance on terrorism..."

"Abortion will never be over turned, it's a republican wedge issue..."

These are statements I heard after the election from women that claim to support choice, regarding their vote for *.

The quote below that is one I've seen here on DU.

Tell me again now, how safe I should feel about Roe v. Wade and choice in this country, I fuckin' dare you. :eyes:

To any women lurking here that uttered any of the phrases above, this is YOUR fault. You owe the women in South Dakota and Mississippi and all over this country... Wonder if they'll feel better knowing you voted for part of the candidate and didn't take into consideration ALL of what he said... I know I don't.

We are in the "one step back" phase; next comes the "two steps forward" phase. The repubs have pushed things back about as far as then can.

I think the Dems will get Congress back and we'll be on the road to some recovery. It's how things go between the forces of regressive conservatism and progressive liberalism. I know that sounds like Pollyanna, but that's what I believe.

As for Roe specifically, this may in the end be a good thing--challenge it directly and show all these politicians which way the wind is blowing. And even if Roe gets overthrown, the will of the people is for Choice, and we will probably end up with a stronger law, perhaps a Constitutional amendment. It would be good for the Dems because it would destroy that precious wedge issue of the GOP's.

South Dakota may find that the abortion rate doesn't decrease much at all; they will either be done out-of-state or illegally. And it might wake up people who were born since 1973 and make them realize that what happens in politics can affect them personally.

I love that you can find a way to look at this for the positive. :hi: We all need to hear more of that! We need people like you to keep us thinking of possible positive outcomes from all of their dismantling of so many years of work and progress for women. It makes me livid to think of what they've done and are doing. Yet every action has repurcussions. So your oprimistic ideas make sense to me.

Thank you for giving me a little ray of hope. :)

I sincerely hope that you are right.

Forgive me, I really needed to rant. ;)

I think this abortion thing will blow up in the face of the GOP too. Polls show that a majority of Americans support at least some abortions, so an all out push to ban them ought to bring out some people to vote for Dems who normally vote moderate Republican or just stay home. This will be especially true if the Republicans are belligerent in pushing some anti-abortion stances (such as not allowing exceptions for rape victims, which I believe characterizes this bill).

Remember Mr Diebold?

obviously SD is looking to bring in more coathanger manufacturers.

for at least fifty years?

This is why. Well, this plus the war plus telling gay folks they aren't human beings worthy of human rights. Plus the current GDP in this sad, sorry nation.

Let this be a wake-up call to moderates & Libertarians who still think it's cool to vote GOP.

This will benefit DEMS - it may tke time, but we will come out on top on this one no matter what.

If SCOTUS agrees with SD, then the moderates & Libertarians swing DEM.

IF SCOTUS balks, then the fundies turn on the foot draggers.

an anti-womens rights epidemic, which is acutally an anti-gay, black, anyone but White Republican Christian epidemic.

One section is rearing it's ugly head but it's attached to the whole beast. And that beast hates liberals too. Who's next south dakota? I'm sure you have plans for all of us.

What a dirty bastard. :mad:

Sick diseasedassholemisogynistslimyfuckwardfuckfuckfuckfuck

(No need to boycott, since it is not shot in SD.)

The colorful vocabulary seems quite suitable for discussing this situation!

Did you realize that all of the dialogue in the show is written in iambic pentameter?

than I have to, and I knew the fat, slimy fuckwad governor dictator in charge of SD really would have the audacity to sign the fucking bill, but the reality is still shocking and the knowledge that it could kill many women before being repealed, as well as being offensive--I don't care about cleaning up my language for any discussion about this carnage.

I say, bring it on. First, I don't think they've got the votes on the SCOTUS, though I could very much be mistaken. Nevertheless, I think it'll break down 6-3, with Scalia, Alito and Thomas dissenting. Possibly 5-4, throwing in Kennedy.

Second, even if they do manage to strike down Roe v. Wade, and even if this is followed by a rash of anti-abortion laws, it will result in devastating losses for the GOP. On a purely political level, it only helps us.

Of course, if I was a more caring, conscientious person, I'd put the lives of all those women ahead of the destruction of the GOP. But what can I say? I'm a real asshole.

Ahem. Kidding of course, though it's difficult to bring any levity to the situation. No matter what happens -- and for the record, I do think widespread criminalization of abortion would hurt the GOP tremendously -- there are thousands of women's lives hanging in the balance. Politics doesn't even enter into this. Even if exceptions are allowed for the life of the mother, what about her health? If the baby will "only" disable her severely, will she be able to get an abortion? From what I've seen of the wording of the South Dakota law, that isn't the case. And what about the mother's emotional health? Children of rape and incest are A-OK? And what about simple economics? It's the GOP that always complains about welfare queens with 50 or 60 kids. Isn't this just perpetuating that?

Ah the hell with it. What is there to write about this that all of us at DU haven't thought already? It's heartless and dumb on a level that could only come from the Republican Party. Shame is not in their vocabulary, but greed and stupidity are words they live by.

Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Alito and Roberts make it a 5-4 decision against freedom. So did you just forget Roberts or do you think he'll vote with us? If it's the latter, I've got this bridge for sale- real cheap ... :)

especially on this particular issue. I've been wrong before, of course, but not often ;)

Then they can't use it as a wedge issue to get out their base. If you ban abortion then half of the Republican base no longer has a reason to vote for the GOP. Then they might realize that its actually in their best interest to vote Democrat.

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they'll always have gay marriage. And when they've made that illegal nation-wide, they'll come up with something else

If SCOTUS says that abortion isn't Constitutionally protected, then it becomes a legislative issue. republicans want this to happen, Democrats don't. Democrats will lose every election in every red state forever if abortion becomes a legislative issue. If you don't believe this, have a look at how many referendums that would have legalised abortion failed in the years preceeding Roe. As long as Roe stands, abortion isn't really an issue. A conservative con feel OK voting for a Dem that he likes without worrying too much about the status quo. No more if getting or keeping a local abortion ban is on the table. The DNC isn't really pro-choice, they just know they can't afford for this to be a real issue in every single election. That 49% who think abortion should be illegal will never crossover to a candidate who might allow it.

I think there's actually potential there. But I've been wrong before, I know. But after Roberts' vote against upholding Oregon's PAS law (thanks, John!) I'm quite certain he doesn't recognize the constitutionality of the Roe statute or any similar statutes. Alito? I'm getting a funny feeling about him. Plus, there was once some independent judicial thought there (he ruled against prayer in schools, even). If Bush's influence is totally gone or near gone by the time the next challenge to choice gets voted on, it's possible he could revolt.

you all keep saying that this issue will kill the repugs at elections. how quick you forget that the elections are rigged.

The defeatist spiel gets old real fast. And this isn't the place for that. You're preaching to the choir--and you're way off key. In other words: you're obvious. And I've noticed that the mods 'round these parts don't have the patience today, get it?

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Doesn't stand a chance.

Of course it tells you all you need to know about the fucking nazi's that passed it though....

is very intentional. When it gets shot down it'll only serve to further rile up the troops about the "activism" of the judiciary. This is a game that the Republican party is playing, we can only hope that the sheep catch on someday.

...carrying a rapists fetus in their womb...

Just to add to the fear-factor for the repukes, what if the rapist of their white daughter was black? Just HOW quickly do you think the exception would be allowed then?

They're all a bunch of knuckle-dragging hypocrits that will rue the day this "law" passed...

The higher-ups in the GOP don't want this to be decided one way or the other, it's their favourite election-year football that gets their rabid religious base riled up, and takes the focus of the theft of the treasury, the raping of the environment, and the illegal invasion of Iraq...Having it shot-down, and being framed as the "Pro-Rapists Parental Rights" party is their worst nightmare...

Under the terms of the new law, Physicians who carry out an abortion are subject to prison terms, but nothing is said about the women receiving the abortions. Didn't they agree to it? Shouldn't they be doing hard time as well? I'm sure the citizens of South Dakota won't object to their wives and daughters going off to jail in the name of justice.....

I'm thinking some type of peaceful, yet effective, protest would be in order. Or perhaps mailing wire hangers to the CEOs of ALL major companies in South Dakota? Perhaps the Tourism Board?

Any other ideas??

I will making a wide path around South Dakota for any future travel. Due to an outrageous imposition of restrictions on a woman's right to choose by making access to a legal medical procedure a criminal act in your state, I will make every effort to avoid and encourage others to avoid travel in South Dakota.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=corn+palace

My Mom and Stepdaughter saw this a few years ago on a cross country trip. They spent money in SD, and visited some touristy spots. We had talked about taking a trip out there again, just to see the Corn Palace (truly a cool thing).. but not now!

We spend a bunch of money in food and gas, sometimes lodging there. We've also been talking about extended stays there, other than simply dropping cash as we drive through. That will have to stop now. I refuse to go into that state as long as this shit is going on.

to feel powerless under this regime, so you have to put it in writing whenever you make decisions like this. Get the message out to the legislators, the press, the tourism bureau, etc. Our money can talk!

....South Dakota will be leading the country in public school sex education programs and free contraceptives.....unless they just WANT to be Ceaucescu-era Romania.

I think we have a better chance of seeing Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh in the sequel to Brokeback Mountain.

With the court moving more to the right, this was only a matter of time. Someone had to do something to bring a challenge to abortion rights before the court. What's scary is what will happen when it is before the SC. If SD is allowed to do this ... how many other red states will follow?

they're only going to get more controlling. God help us.



http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

http://www.cafepress.com/abortionbattle

Forcing their beliefs on all women of the state is showing you what they will do with all their beliefs.

This is one tiny piece of what they've been saying.

There's no way their racial, gay, womens-rights, etc. hatered is going to stay dormant. They'll see this as a real mandate.

This can't be real!:wow:
And that graph is really disturbing!

I won't be controlled by these freaks! I have visited an abortion debate website a couple of times
and I can tell you that these Pro-Lifers have no boundries.
They say things like "Gawd told me so" and if you try to just have a logical conversation with them they get very hostile and personally insulting. And additionally, most of them do not believe in birth control!

Most of the Pro-Choice people on those sites don't say much anymore, because there is no communicating with these people. They post saying that they think "liberals are evil" and all of their conversation has very judgemental Religious overtones. They are control freaks that are seriously out of touch with reality.

I don't trust anyone that claims to hear voices from God inside their heads:crazy: do you?

We have to fight this! I know I will not be controlled by these Religious Whackos!

The fundies will end up destroying the Republican Party. Quite fitting actually. Too many people out there, women especially, remember unwanted pregancies and back-alley abortions. Regardless of how people answer the poll questions, they remember. They'll vote with their feet.

It's possible we could have never won abortion with voting - too many males who want to control us and women who support them.

Black rights likely would have never passed either, if it were put to vote.

This and most other civil rights, were passed via supreme court rulings.

Women may not regain their rights for decades over this. Voting will likley not do it(half the population are men). If the supreme court knocks it down, most likely we will have to wait until the judges on the supreme court change and are willing to uphold it.

With one clinic in the entire state, abortion is out-of-reach for many women already. Now it is against the law...again, no surprise. This has been the target for many years and women, yes women, have allowed it to be hit.

Many women I know have always explained their Republican votes with the disclaimer "They would never do that" when the abortion topic is raied. Of course, some women are against the procedure but I believe that is a significant minority.

So if you live in SD and you're raped, too bad...enjoy bearing your rapist's child and all the responsibility that entails.

Maybe this will be a wakeup call. Maybe the Supreme Court will surprise us. Don't count on it.

District court should overturn; circuit should affirm; Supreme Court will deny certiori.

And probably even the 5 to uphold the law, since Kennedy will likely go along with anything short of an outright overturn of Roe. Though I hope your optimism isn't misplaced...

I also went on their website and left a comment on their blog for SD.

This is such an incredible outrage I want to scream! :argh:

Time to start sending wire coat hangers to the S.D. governor's office.
Anyone care to join me?
:banghead:

to simply ban wire coat hangers.

Thanks for the welcome, I've been a lurker for just a few weeks but this tragic issue has brought me out of hiding. :blush:

We discussed this at the DFA meeting on the 1st; and it was done!

...that I don't live in South Dakota!

Why do they think they have to keep us women-folk in line? Real men don't have to keep us under their thumb.

Yup

The dangerous idiots have gone too far.

sorry!

..of those "uppity" Women.

that are planning similar bills) I just got off the phone with the interim director of tourism and economic development for SD, whose name is Marty Davis--I hope we make her day completely miserable

contact information:
Marty Davis
711 E Wells Ave
Pierre, SD

605-773-3301
605-773-3256 (fax)

whether one had any intention of going to SD or not, I think it would be a great idea if everyone called, wrote, faxed, etc., that they are cancelling their plans to go to SD--along with their large groups.

Since SD hates women so much, I see no reason to give them any of our money.

Are headquartered in SD, as is Gateway Computer. Cancel your credit cards with those companies. Do not buy Gateway.

Hit 'em where it hurts the worst.

all (not that I had any intention of doing so, but still). .

Gateway was founded in San Diego, but is headquartered in Poway, CA. The original owner, Ted Waiit, is not involved in the running of the company, and it's an also-ran in computerdom anyway.

True, a lot of Credit Card companies does processing in South Dakota, but the biggies are in Delaware for the most part.

And yes, I have good, inside sources, Gateway was started in Sioux City(Falls?) SD by Waitt and originally was in Waitt's family home. Ted was back as CEO, last I heard as well. Seems that after he left to just be Chairman, they hired a lot of pepsico folks who started playing the derivatives market with company cash. Ted returned when the company almost folded and found, quote: "A mountain of funny paper".

They still had a huge presence in SD as well. Still, boycott them, let them know why and let them deal with the SD morons. They will have some clout.

This woman is frazzled....said she would pass my comments on and that she couldn't believe that the Governor had signed the bill.

Cheers

rather than simply boycotting them.

Whatever happend to womens rights? I personally feel that life begins when the fetus can live on its own without assistance and before that point is part of the mother. When a male senator can carry a fetus to term then they have the right to legislate, but until then...suck it!

Although, I think this is the first of many in an attempt to get this in front of the SCOTUS.

Via Planned Parenthood http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/southdakota_abortionban2/w885skurl5k5xib?

Why does South Dakota hate women?

Why do you believe that you have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body?

Do you have a law on the books that prevents men from any specific medical procedure?

Who do you propose take care of children with severe birth defects caused by incest?

Why are you forcing a woman to carry a child conceived from rape? Why do you insist on making a woman live with the memory of a violent act forced upon her?

What is this your business?

Why do you put assign more worth to an unborn fetus than a tax-paying citizen of your state?

Never forget: Jesus was a Liberal.

Amen, Patsy. Couldn't agree more. What a blow this is to women's rights. It's the strict father model run amuck. Mostly uptight sexist bigoted white guys who can't stand the thought of an independently-minded woman. Who the hell do these guys think they are butting into the private lives of female citizens?!

hope 'Big Daddy' Rounds can afford it

Why do they do this shit?

In reading press accounts of this signing, it was also brought out that the state government was accepting donations from private individuals and organizations to pay for the state's defense of this legislation in court. Is this legal? I mean, this strikes me as if. . .well, if I was rich, I could finance my own legislation, get it passed, and then my church, organization, etc. could pay the state to defend the law. . .

I'm sorry, but this smacks of a deliberate, calculated set-up, and I suspect some state legislators there with ties to the rightwing "religious" groups planned the enactment of this legislation and plotted every step in the legal process. This needs to be investigated.

federal laws by subverting the public vote process.

This article has a very interesting take on it and cites a number of federal laws.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/02/1804585.php

_____________________________

I saw this on another forum where the post remains unanswered. Can anyone with legal expertise comment on its validity, please? Why wouldn't Planned Parenthood pursue this?

Did this law actually include a provision preventing the citizens the right to petition for a referendum? Ohhh...i think that would sink their butts and ruin the religious Right from ever getting the public's trust in the future on anything.

up a bill that any man who impregnates a woman who hasn't given expressed written consent to be pregnant would be imprisoned.

No, of course I don't hate men, and no I don't think pregnancy is "all a man's fault," and yes, it's a pretty hare-brained idea, but I do think that there needs to be SOME way to show people the idiocy of the direction we're headed toward.

It got a lot of press. I think your idea is good.

What did we ever do to you?

I call on all the women of South Dakota to move. Immediately. Leave all the men to fend for themselves. Without women the population of South Dakota should die out in a relatively short time.

I call on all women in South Dakota forced to have babies borne of rape and incest to drop the kids on the Governor's front steps.

This make me nauseous.

XOXOXO,

-WindRavenX

Both South Dakota and Mississippi have shown the nation how completely twisted their state houses are. The utter stupidity of these people is frightening. SD wants to force a woman to carry a fetus even if it is conceived through rape or incest as did Mississippi(however they may have backed off that-not sure). One Rep from Mississippi even had the nerve to state that it was God's will if a woman did become pregnant through rape or incest.

There is absolutely NOTHING Godly or God-like in the rape of a woman-whether through violence or incest. And to force her to carry a fetus begun in such a fashion is beyond the pale and shows just how little regard the makers of such a law have for women in general.

To men such as this, we are nothing short of a baby factory.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If men were able to have babies, abortion would be a sacrament without the possibility of being overturned!!

Only explanation and the way I'm going to frame it from now on. :grr:

Vanlassie:nuke:

.....so only targeting South Dakota really won't do us any good. What do we do? How can we promote our agenda?

the government too? Why not let the woman decide what is best for her?

Remember, whenever the anti-choicers say "50 million babies were killed since Roe v Wade," we say, "how many were killed BEFORE Roe v Wade? And how many unwilling MOMS along with them?"

You don't have to like abortion to be pro-choice. You just have to like the idea of people making their own choices.

They get to invade the woman for nine months instead of just 80 seconds, and they get the satisfaction of knowing their DNA will survive. Rapists 1; Girls 0.

I wonder how many of the lawmakers who support this bill also support funding for orphanages? And I wonder how many support tax subsidies for adoption? Don't even bother asking how many have actually adopted, or would adopt, children born of incest, born to crack heads, gas huffers, and meth fiends, born of rape? I mean, who wants a rape baby? Guaranteed, the governor doesn't.

South Dakota - Perpetuating the rapist bloodline.

And would SD voters be likely to vote against it if given the option? It would be nice to keep it out of the courts if possible.

I do vote, I usually vote 1 issue and it is abortion rights.

All restrictions are crap. Something no one mentions though: If you encounter someone who would deny abortions except in cases of rape or incest, ask them to consider how many false charges of rape or incest might be made in order for a desperate woman or girl to get an abortion. How many is too many? Is a conviction necessary or what? Might make some men who believe this is a just a woman's issue think twice...

They will stop birth control too. Once they get what they want they will always come up with new things to want.

This was posted earlier on DU. Scary.

Sat Mar-04-06 09:47 AM
Original message

Do-It-Yourself Online Abortion Manual
JANE's Heir: Do-It-Yourself Abortion Manual

Taking a cue from the feminist-revered JANE -- the underground abortion service organization from the pre Roe days -- Molly at Molly Saves the Day provides the online abortion manual for the women of South Dakota and Goddess knows how many other states. . . .

From a list of equipment needed to detailed explanations of the procedures, the blogger says she can and will tell you all you need to know in order to set up your own one-stop abortion shop.

JANE, the Abortion Counseling Service of the Chicago Women's Liberation Union, "arranged and participated in more than 11,000 illegal abortions in Chicago and the suburbs" in the pre Roe days.

From a list of equipment needed to detailed explanations of the procedures, the blogger says she can and will tell you all you need to know in order to set up your own one-stop abortion shop.

Lawmakers who wage War on Women take note: Women have only just begun to fight back!

Molly's Do-It-Yourself Abortion WoManual
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2006/03/janes-heir-do-it-yourself-abortion.html

......Mr. Rounds, who became governor in 2003 after serving in the South Dakota Senate for a decade, declined to speak with reporters after the signing. In an earlier interview, he said that he personally felt uncertain about the timing of a challenge to Roe, but that he was leaning toward signing the bill, in part because he did not wish to divide the people who, like him, oppose abortion.

In the statement he issued on Monday, Mr. Rounds said he fully expected the law to be challenged, and that it might wind up in the nation's highest court. He compared the possibility of a reversal on Roe to that of the changing legal precedents around segregation.

"The reversal of a Supreme Court opinion is possible," the governor said. "For example, in 1896, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the Plessy vs. Ferguson case that a state could require racial segregation in public facilities if the facilities offered to different races were equal. However, 58 years later, the Supreme Court reconsidered that opinion and reversed itself in Brown vs. Board of Education."

"over the border". Drive to the closest stores in Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Montana. Call friends, get together a woman-buying caravan,and spend your grocery money in other states. Every week.

the governor signed the bill into law gleefully exclaiming "now we got the niggers where they belong"!!

called the 'peewee herman act' the s d legislature is quickly putting together a bill that would make masturbation a capital crime. now they need to find an executioner who doesn't jackoff!!

and the poor ones will use a coat hanger. Another windfall for the rich.

By getting too greedy and trying to grab everything at once, the SD legislature pretty much shot themselves in the foot. It's a good possibility that the first court will issue an injunction, freezing enforcement of the law. If the initial ruling is upheld all the way through the chain of courts, the Supremes might not even bother to hear it. One of the guys I know who has been hip deep in government studies says it might not even make it to Washington if the ruling stays where it is throughout.

That's not to say that we shouldn't be vigilant here. On the off-chance this DOES go all the way to SCOTUS, it might be time to start reading up on whether your state has "trigger laws" in place for a the end of Roe v Wade, since an overturn would send the abortion issue back to a state-by-state basis, and certain states (hey! like South Dakota! what a surprise!) have these little legal time bombs hidden away, ready to explode on that day.

--DocL

The politicians know this won't be upheld, but they can now go to their constituency and say, "Hey, I did my best but the nasty courts screwed us again."

Honestly, all the hate talk about South Dakota is saddening.

Do you all really think that South Dakotan's support this legislation? I would venture to guess that at LEAST two thirds absolutely DO NOT support this law. It was never voted on by the people and the majority of people don't even know YET that it has been passed!

So you go ahead and boycott our state and call us names. Just remember that sometimes politicians do what they want instead of what the people want (hmmm, THAT's never happend before right....)

Just do me one favor, if you think all South Dakotans suck because of this, go ahead and as a real person who is still living here if they support this law. I bet you'll be surprised