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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:00 AM Original message |
Study: Genital Cutting Raises by 50% LIkelihood Mothers, Newborns Will Die |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Isn't it amazing this sick practice is still being practiced? |
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adriennui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. what religion or country practices female mutilation |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Check this from Amnesty International for geographic areas |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. US ALLIES IN THE ME PRACTICE THIS TORTUR! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
97. Warning: DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE A STRONG STOMACH |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
154. It's all about men who think they should 'own' women! |
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bunyip (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #154 |
178. FGM is liberating! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. If an adult Somali woman wants to have that done to herself, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #178 |
195. I don't understand. |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It's not necessarily a religious practice, but a cultural one |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yes, it's not necessarily a religious practice, but there is one |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. No sanction for this horrid practice in Islam. |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Some Islamic scholars and religious leaders support FGM |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
104. Indeed some do, wrongly. IMHO, and the opinion of others. |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. LOL @ The Color Purple!!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
77. "Possessing the Secret of Joy" is the Alice Walker title dealing with FGM. |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. it's practiced in all countries. |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
253. Shrinks once recommended it as a treatment for excessive masturbation |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. From the Amnesty International site mentioned above: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. The truly amazing part is that people in the US debate whether it is |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. It amazes me, too. The very suggestion that FGM should be legalized |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. YES! Me, too. Most definitely. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. kick and thanks for posting! |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. This data seems to be an important break-through -- I hope it helps. nt |
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DELUSIONAL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. What is it with "cleaning up" the words?? Girls are mutilated |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. One good reason to use 'cutting' over 'mutilation:' |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I thought the subject line was about Caesareans. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. If the shoe fits... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. As is often discussed here, language matters. |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. this is the same rational that keeps the cirq. tradition going, with no |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. Who's advocating cutting? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Some immigrant groups in the U.S. advocate to be allowed to |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #58 |
116. i was agreeing with you... nt |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #116 |
138. Oops! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
239. very excellent point, thank you. |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. A little girl who was basically kidnapped by a Saudi father |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. It happens to baby boys every day. Where's the outrage over that? |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. it would be more horrifying if they remove their penises and testicles. |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Very true. Male circumcision is not comparable to FGM. nt. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. I think that's incorrect. |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. But it's NOT the same. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Both inhibit pleasure, both risk pain, loss of sexual function, infection, |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. While I agree with you regarding the cultural roots of both practices.... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I think you're underplaying the risks in MGM |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Equating male circumcision w/ FGM sometimes leads those who don't |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Thank you, Public Wrath. I think ignorance must be the root of the |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. They're certainly different in degree. Death is far more common in FGM. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Certainly |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
59. They are not comparable, especially the severe forms of FGM, which |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
142. There is no benefit for MGM either. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. There is a lot of data available on benefits of male circumcision |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. As I have explained to you before |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. What you explained to me before was wrong, and it still is. |
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Spangle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. More sexuality bias against girls then boys |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You're understating the risks to boys |
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Spangle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Your still being sexist, if you say it's the SAME |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I think some people just don't understand how different the procedures |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
273. "Nobody should be mutilated against thier will, no matter their sex." |
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MaraJade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
242. Nowhere near the same as FGM. . . |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Absolutely |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
76. In very rare cases. Amputation of a clitoris, by contrast, always leads to |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
144. Loss of the foreskin always leads to the loss of densely ennervated |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #144 |
162. Very few circumcised men seem to be suffering their loss. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. That sounds eerily like the quotes I've read |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #164 |
171. My husband was right there with me. We had it done because the |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #171 |
210. My dad had to be circumcized at 22 from repeated infections |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #210 |
221. My father also knew several men who had to undergo the procedure |
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bunyip (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #164 |
179. Well said, LeftyMom. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #162 |
257. "Very few circumcised men seem to be suffering their loss." |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #144 |
211. I'm perfectly happy with my circumsized penis. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #211 |
258. third sentence |
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MaraJade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #144 |
243. Funny this. . . |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:48 AM Response to Reply #243 |
246. I know 4 Muslim girls who are happy that that they were "done". |
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sweetpotato (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #246 |
268. This is what needs to change... |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #268 |
270. Exactly, you put it in a nutshell. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:49 AM Response to Reply #243 |
247. Isn't it amazing how American men have been coping, even though |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. Does anything like this happen to baby boys? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
212. only 15 posts until someone had to make this about men/boys.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:27 PM Response to Reply #212 |
222. yeah, that was sadly predictable |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. Should call it "amputation". nt |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 02:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
106. It's common among Iraqi Kurds. nt. |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Recommended. Considering the cultural emphasis on fecundity in |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
67. I know. I wish these parents here could be charged with child abuse. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
240. they can |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
90. I knew a doctor that "did it secretly" but not as you suggest; |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Doctors here have been horrified to see the damage done |
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MaraJade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
244. It's a matter of control over women. . . |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. These types of practices |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Many's the day that I'm ashamed |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
84. LOL |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. To people asking where it's happening ... everywhere. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. That reminds me so much |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. A few things that must be kept in mind |
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pooja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. When it comes to the issue of mutilating people |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I agree, but then I don't |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I can't agree that this is deserving of any respect, |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Why not? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. And those males go on to have sexual pleasure. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. So now we're qualifying mutilation? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. FGM *does* compromise the entire sexual organ ability. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
124. As in |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. And that is all that matters to the men, right? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. That's all that matters to the discussion |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #129 |
173. It DOES affect the ability to reproduce, since it increases the death rate |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. You don't know what you're talking about. Infibulation, which is |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. This sentence bears repeating: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Thank you, Lars39. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Fixed it! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. How kind. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
88. I think I will repeat it again. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:41 AM Response to Reply #61 |
109. I'm starting to freak out here |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:59 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. I was kind of shocked, too, Onion Patch. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
125. The point |
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Spangle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #125 |
139. Now days |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Here's what you're missing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #140 |
174. Crushing girls feet and binding them into cloth was a part of a culture. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #140 |
230. Yeah, and "honor" killings are cultural too |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #140 |
283. Your form of multiculturalism is nihilistic. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
85. You're trying to sell cultural relativism when women are dying |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Yes, barb162! You nailed it. As someone once said, "When a man is |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Well, thank you! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Yeah, but I'd go crazy if at least a couple of DU'ers weren't getting |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #98 |
254. We should do a new rule... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
155. Exact quote from Bernadette Mosala: |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #155 |
255. "...when Women are oppressed, it's tradition" |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #85 |
128. You're trying to sell a culture down the river |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. Saying "it's their culture" isn't good enough |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. But isn't it? |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. And we've had many culture wars have we not? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #146 |
160. First, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #160 |
183. Who said westerners were "strutting" into places where this is done? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #141 |
147. Yes, cross-cultural condemnation is helpful |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #147 |
163. Not so |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #163 |
193. The sensibility here is "treat women like human beings" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:44 AM Response to Reply #163 |
198. The United Nations General Assembly disagrees with you. Tradition |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #141 |
182. People who practice FMG are immigrating to the U.S. Should we ban |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #128 |
180. "These cultures"? There are people in Iraq who practice FMG, there |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #128 |
231. Bullshit |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #128 |
241. WHOSE culture? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:54 AM Response to Reply #241 |
248. Yes, that's right. The question is "whose culture." The males are defining |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:15 AM Response to Reply #241 |
249. Good on you for pointing out that there are people within |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #128 |
256. You call it" these practices" as if they are HARMLESS little |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Sorry, I have enough trouble with animal cruelty |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Me, too |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. I can't express how strongly I disagree with you. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #71 |
115. Yeah, probably |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #115 |
184. It is of the utmost arrogance for men to move here knowing that |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
107. Culture never overrides child abuse/torture |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Culture needs consideration |
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Crowdance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
136. Human Sacrifice--does it deserve a great amount of understanding? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. We should understand it |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #143 |
176. You're wrong about sati |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #118 |
185. I still haven't seen you address the issue of slavery , which |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
236. By this argument |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
145. Just one question, Manicexpression, |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
161. Sure |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #161 |
169. Women's health and lives should be placed above culture. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #161 |
170. Real cultures, not hypothetical ones, accept slavery too. Are you in |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #161 |
175. So would you say that the South should have been allowed to |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. AMEN |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Wait a second. You advocate allowing doctors to excise the clitoris |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. Very well said, PublicWrath. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:35 AM Response to Reply #80 |
113. In one book I read about FGM, they said it was routine |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
119. If you consider the alternative |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Obey the 'Prime Directive', huh? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Not an excuse |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. If you want perspective, put yourself in the shoes of a young girl |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. The perspective I presume |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. The practice is deadly;woman die from its effects. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Who said it isn't deadly |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Not sure you realized that since you seem to gloss over that fact |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Well, thank you for making sure I'm informed |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #135 |
157. The analogy doesn't fly. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Of course it does...think about it n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 04:15 AM Response to Reply #135 |
202. When we at DU hear people from other countries decrying our |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
168. Slavery is cultural, too. That doesn't mean we should accept it ANYWHERE. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:56 AM Response to Reply #133 |
199. And what culture are you from? The ignorance is in the minds of |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 04:06 AM Response to Reply #133 |
201. Guess what? A culture won't survive if it practices deadly customs. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #133 |
213. The bottom line is that I value culture |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #119 |
186. When are you going to address slavery as a "facet of culture"? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
112. When a man's human rights are threatened, it's political. Wars are started |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #112 |
156. He gets it, he's just a misogynist and feels that a man's right to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
167. The United Nations says it's not a cultural issue. It's a human rights |
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adriennui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. we are talking of the practice of amputating the core of a woman's sexuali |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Unfortunately, it is also practiced in the U.S. in immigrant families, |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
121. No one said it was harmless |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:09 PM Response to Reply #121 |
261. What? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
68. You're right that our culture isn't free of bad practices. |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. I quite agree. Sure, it's a cultural norm in some parts of the world. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
72. thank you, PubicWrath. And might I add, |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. We should prosecute for child abuse and aggravated assault. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. That's what I think, too. But doctors seem afraid that they will hurt |
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PublicWrath (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Some Family Court judges and psychologists used to say that removing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I have a horrible feeling you're right. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
54. as a Westerner, I can say with utter certainty that FGM is beastly |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
122. As a human being, I can say that such a sentiment is ignorant |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #122 |
172. Sati would have stopped without the Raj? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #122 |
187. As a human being, I can say that those who practice FMG are ignorant. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
60. Okay. But what do you think we should do when they immigrate HERE |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
96. No M.D. in this country should ever do it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. I agree. If our country stands for anything, it is for a cultural |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
37. I understand the reason for using neutral language, |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. so did I..... |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. Thanks for posting this, DMM. I saw a BBC article on this but didn't post |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
75. Call it what it is, Female Castration! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Good point. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
87. Thanks for the posting, DeepModem Mom |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-02-06 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
95. In reply to many that think that excision of the clitoris |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #95 |
100. You're right, burrowowl. |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #95 |
117. I believe you are wrong about the urethra being cut. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
131. You haven't been mutilated, you are made differently and have |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #131 |
149. Well, the primary arguments against this practice on this thread seem |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #149 |
188. If you read the posts where the operations are described, |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
152. you are advocating that instead of educating people about the |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #95 |
151. the female equivalent to male circ is the removal of the clitoral hood- |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #151 |
166. Thanks for defining the difference there, for those who skipped upthread. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:32 AM Response to Reply #151 |
189. Early results from the World Health Organizations large scale studies |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #189 |
192. removing my uterus will result in a 100% reduction in cervical cancer risk |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:35 AM Response to Reply #192 |
197. I"m sure you realize that the AIDS rate in Africa is far higher than |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #197 |
208. I am sure that you realize I was overstating the simple truth that a |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #208 |
214. 3 yr. study of male circumcision shows 60% reduction in HIV contraction |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. we will have to disagree. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. This is a study conducted in Africa, in places where polygamy |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #216 |
226. all of the studies with these findings are done in africa. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 02:59 AM Response to Reply #226 |
228. Is that racist or what? Wow. |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #228 |
232. no. not racist. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Where is the information about the study or studies you are referring |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. it's been several years since I was involved in this research |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #237 |
245. Newer research was conducted by the WHO and announced last July. |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #245 |
252. i saw all that last year too. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #252 |
264. Your earlier post seemed to dismiss the studies because they were |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #264 |
272. thank you. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #189 |
274. Not large scale studies. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
177. Actually, the urethra doesn't pass through the clitoris |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 02:17 AM Response to Reply #177 |
194. Many times the entire clitoris is removed |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #194 |
227. I'm going to be sick. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
101. "The study found that the women who had undergone genital cutting |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:19 AM Response to Reply #101 |
108. I'm all for pointing out the medical consequences of this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Absolutely. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
105. Some horrifying personal accounts in this great book.. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
114. How about a tattooed toddler? |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #114 |
153. I think it's terrible. but I also think piercing an infants ears is awful. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
165. No shit? In other news, Bush is the worst president ever. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #165 |
190. Thanks for the laugh, BlueIris. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
191. United Nations says "tradition" does not excuse FMG or other violence |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 04:55 AM Response to Reply #191 |
204. Thanks for finding this and posting it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 05:41 AM Response to Reply #204 |
205. Me, too. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
196. I will get flamed for this, I know. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
200. Goddammit |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 04:52 AM Response to Reply #200 |
203. I find myself wondering if the FGM apologists are pulling our legs.... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:35 AM Response to Reply #200 |
206. Anything a culture does to women is just its "culture" according to |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #206 |
207. And yet not even Saudi Arabia is big on FGM |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #207 |
223. Those are some really interesting stories, Onager. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #223 |
229. The camera's just for fun. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #229 |
234. thanks Onager! |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #234 |
260. You're welcome! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #260 |
265. I'm glad to know that they still differentiate ordinary Americans from |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #206 |
218. Interesting how they package it up... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #206 |
220. Related to this, I read about a situation in France. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #206 |
235. Woman is the *!%%#) of the world. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #206 |
281. Never met your grandma, but I like her |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #200 |
209. can I nominate someone? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #209 |
224. I'll second |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #200 |
217. Female CASTRATION |
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #217 |
263. technically, no |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #263 |
271. To be pedantic, the removal of the ovaries is also castration. |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
219. what I learned about this .. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. You're right. Part of the reason that the U.N. and local governments |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #225 |
259. To me ,these acts are crimes and the people doing |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
238. Sorry - I passed out after "genital" and "cutting"! |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #238 |
250. Just be glad you're not a straight guy in Egypt, ... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:58 AM Response to Reply #250 |
251. That's not done in Egypt, but in some of the other parts of Africa |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #251 |
269. It might not be common in Egypt, but I mentioned Egypt because |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #250 |
262. I would ask what you mean here, but I'm afraid of the answer |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #262 |
266. allow me -- and it's time the squeamish paid attention |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. And, lacking surgical thread, they improvise. Thorns are often used |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #267 |
282. It's 2006 and this barbarism is still happening. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #266 |
280. It's just too disgusting, iverglas |
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Veronica.Franco (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
275. This place amazes me ... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #275 |
276. Glad to oblige you! |
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Veronica.Franco (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #276 |
277. That was sarcasm ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 12:43 AM Response to Reply #277 |
278. If you had read more of the postings you might have seen that |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #278 |
279. "NOT EXACTLY A TRIVIAL MATTER" |
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