When did Bush know? (Haditha - timeline discrepancy)

25% of your term on vacation...eh its all that fuzzy math

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the man lies about FISHING fer cryin' out loud. there's NOTHING he doesn't lie about.

about virtually everything from the pointless and commonplace to the most serious.
Then they spend the rest of the time lying to cover it up or to explain it away.
Everything with them is a series of ever changing false stories and coverups.

Recall when bush flipped off the reporters on camera. Response from the WH was dont believe your lying eyes it never happened ... instead

it should be an felony and impeachable for any government official to lie to their bosses (US) about any official business.
they can no comment us or tell the truth. but no lies and no propaganda. ever.

Truth is whatever they say it is. There are no facts.

He knew about it before not after he knew about it

These bastards would lie about the temperature just to do it. They'll get away with it all too. Americas memory is short and soon every tropical depression that forms in the next few months will have wall-to-wall coverage devoted to it.

Jay

events on the ground in Iraq. I suspect various elements of the Resistance have infiltrated the supposedly impregnable "Green Zone" and can probably launch targeted attacks at a time and place of their choosing (a la Vietnam's Tet in Jan '68).

them, with Congress anyway.

and doesn't have the brains to grasp what's going on right under his nose.

He is just a puppet.

;)

Like we did from the news ?!

http://www.startribune.com/587/story/464317.html

..."troubling incidents" is when they are brought to his attention by the media, days weeks or months after the events in question. Levees, Haditha, Ishaqi.

Can't Helem Thomas (Is that the right reporter?) come at him from this angle?


Is he fully on board (with PNAC & Co.) and lying through his mothpiece, Snow as an active part of the coverup/spin?

Does he still consider PDB's a pain in the arse, as he did in the days prior to 9/11? OR

Is he in actuality, the mindless puppet, many say he is, kept entirely out of the loop, trotted out only for photo-ops, and occasionally blindsided (and informed (if such is at all possible)) when a reporter occasionally decided to do their job and ask an unscripted question?

If the last, then either someone has a vicegrip on his balls, or he really is as dumb as a post and unrealising of the possiblity that he will be tossed our way for us to fight over and tear limb from limb whilst the puppet masters either crawl back into the woodwork with their ill gotten gains, or attempt to complete their takeover whilst everybody is distracted by a circus that will reduce the Clenis to it's true significance by comparison.

And behind door number three we have an assasinated "President" (by terrorist elements of course) and martial law forevermore.

-There is a thought tickling the back of my mind.

These reports say about an entire unit going into these homes and murdering these people. UNITS, not just one or two people that had just cracked under pressure of war.

We know they had ordered torture. Geneva Convention is quaint. What if Rules of Engagement are quaint as well, with this bunch?

They had no problems with sending our troops into harm's way, based on lies.

They had no problems with Torture.

They had no problems with rendering people, sending them to secret sites, where they had made torture into an art.

What if they believe that totally brutality is what it takes to get Iraq under our control.

They don't care about the civilian population of Iraq, all they care about is what that civilian population is standing on. One of the world's largest oil fields.

Bring this all home, they have no problem with spying on their own citizens. Building brand spankin' new detention centers, here in our own homeland. Just what do you think they are for?CONTROL is all that matters to them.

This sickens me that this happens. War is hell.

Where was the outrage when we killed thousands of civilians in Yugoslavia? We dropped hundreds of bombs into civilian areas. Oh yeah..that was Clinton...he gets a pass.



I'll try and enjoy my brief stay...

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are socially liberal and at least somewhat fiscally conservative (to some degree). Everybody from left to right wants to do less spending than this current iteration of government by the neo-cons nicknamed the "Tax Cut and Spend government". BushCo and this Congress spend like there's no tomorrow. The far-right has moved so far, far, far to the fascist right, that people who used to be considered conservatives or moderates (like me) are now considered "far left" by those fundamental extremists. What a shame.

As to banning, there is plenty of disagreement on topics on this forum. It's hard to say exactly what kind of comment will get you banned, but let's just say that we all know it when I see it.

This is a site dedicated to the Democratic party, yet we all bash the Democrats and the Democratic party in our posts as much as the Republicans do... Plenty of people bash Clinton on this board, and even MORE bash Hillary for President (me included). So it's not required to be a Clintonista.

And you can point out the other side's issues, of course, in any discourse, but if you're on a topic where you seem to be PROMOTING Republican talking points, well, that's rather a giveaway for where you stand, isn't it? Again, this is a Democratic site.

You seem like someone in the middle, after reading your second post. Stick around and read a lot of threads. Make appropriate comment, but be sure you're not just here trying to get banned, because that'd just be silly ;^ )

Thanks.

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Does that excuse the actions of Haditha and others?

peace.

Nothing excuses the killing of children. Not by our side - certainly not by the other side that does it with numbing regularity.

...and love.

He stopped a genocide.

Maybe you saw the recent pictures of Kosovo civilians giving flowers to General Clark.

So Bush is pretty much the opposite of Clinton. More like Saddam Hussein.

War = civilian casualties. Always, end of story! It's a casualties vs consequences question (is it worth inadvertently killing x civilians to prevent y civilians from death via genocide).

That is not even the question here though, these were not civilian casualties; these were marines MURDERING innocent civilians including women and children at close range. They were not casualties of war. They were casualties of the immorality caused by an immoral war.

objective view of the world as long as they view it with their heads way up their asses?

Stuck in that freeptard body...ugh...you love death and murder! Don't EVER come here and act like you don't...GD POS Bush supporter! When you grow some braincells, please comeback. Until then FO.

This thread is about HADITHA. You admit in the contstruction of your argument the evil of ShrubCo, by comparing it to another event. Unfortunately, the event you use is not even in the same sport, much less ballpark. Thank you for showing the ignorance of your ilk, and I hope you are booted before I finish this.

Why else even bother? These people never volunteer information for any other reason than to obfuscate.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever tells him anything at all. It would be easy. He doesn't read the newspapers or watch the news.

without any accountability.

Get your lies straight, fucking GOPOS party! I hope they all end up in prison for sending our troops in harms way!

Now everyone is Iraq is pretty upset...things are going really good...Go Operation Iraqi Freedom!!! :eyes:

was in charge. As the ghastly details become known, it's now better for Bush to have been a little out of the loop. Two weeks from now, he'll have only 'just' learned about it.

Possibly before then, even.

said "in Bush's defense" that he knew in mid-March.

Just wanted that out there for the record.

less time they have to do damage to our country.

Does anyone know what the polls were saying about getting the US troops out of Iraq back in February? Or November for that matter? Wouldn't surprise me if * intentionally delayed the news, so he & his cronies could release it at politically more favorable time.

CENTCOM reports from Qatar revealed abuses at Abu Ghraib, the General at the time stated "there may be pictures." This report was months before Bush "knew" of the abuses. According to him, he learned of this in the month of April.
Sorry, I have no link for this. My point is that Bush has been nothing but a lying snake about EVERYTHING!

In my gut I believe Bush knew about the Haditha massacre way before last weeks press conference with Blair and that is why he had the Abu Ghraib apology locked and loaded. Bush knew the shit was about to hit the fan and wanted to have his mea culpa on the record. Pathetic...

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I think he is kept in the dark about a lot until it hits the airwaves. "mission accomplished"

"war president" shouldnt he know this stuff?

Freedom is on the march!

"If there is wrongdoing, people will be held to account," Bush said yesterday.

Where have I heard that before?