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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:08 PM
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U.S. Military Denies New Abuse Allegations at Ishaqi

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2032795&page=1

U.S. Military Denies New Abuse Allegations at Ishaqi
Officials Concluded Troops Followed Rules of Engagement

June 2, 2006 —

Horrific images of Iraqi adults and children have fueled new allegations that U.S. troops killed civilians in the Iraqi town of Ishaqi. But ABC News has learned military officials have completed their investigation and concluded U.S. forces followed the rules of engagement.

A senior Pentagon official told ABC News the investigation concluded that the allegations of intentional killings of civilians by American forces are unfounded.

Military commanders in Iraq launched an investigation soon after the mid-March raid in the village of Ishaqi, about 50 miles north of Baghdad.

...

In Ishaqi, American forces were going after a high-value terrorist target they succeeded in apprehending. The U.S. military reported in March that four people died when they destroyed a house from the air and ground.

But previously unaired video shot by an AP Television News cameraman at the time shows at least five children dead, several with obvious bullet wounds to the head. One adult male is also seen dead.

"Children were stuck in the room, alone and surrounded," an unidentified man said on the video.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:11 PM
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1. the "rules of engagement", according to the US military
must be: kill'em all :shrug:

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:17 PM
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2. their 'investigation' ?
i remember this one. they covered it up with an air strike.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:19 PM
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3. The horrors continue
The pretender and his cadre all need to stand trial at The Hague.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:39 PM
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4. The story gives no explanation about the bullet wounds
I guess the military will just hope this one goes away by denying it.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:07 PM
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12. I'm Sure They Will Say That...
the terra sympathizers shot the, already dead, children in the head in order to frame the Americans. Bet on it!

Jay
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:47 PM
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5. Haditha will be the stand alone My Lai to which they'll admit.
And of course, My Lai wasn't itself unique.

They can talk about a few bad apples, but they can't admit the truth about the orchard.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:53 PM
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6. I'm not surprised the war machine keeps lying...
what I don't understand is why people keep believing the lies.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:09 PM
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7. What possible 'rule of engagement' calls for shooting 6 month old infants?
??

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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:30 PM
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8. This "conclusion" isn't going to go over well in Iraq or elsewhere
in the world.

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:35 PM
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9. No specific laws broken, nothing to see. Oh lord help us all.
The outrage is growing, good. Why kill babies? Why shoot little kids? why why why?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:56 PM
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10. CNN >> Troops involved in a shooting incident in Iraqi town of Ishaqi, nea
http://www.cnn.com/

Troops involved in a shooting incident in Iraqi town of Ishaqi, near Balad, have been cleared of any misconduct, Pentagon tells CNN.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:05 PM
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11. What did you expect? Accountability? There's no accountability here.
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 04:07 PM by Ilsa
"Unfortunately, they are collateral damage blah blah blah, shots were fired from the compound blah blah. Well, they thought they heard shots blah blah blah...call in the helos for a massive bombing to take out the evidence, I mean al qaeda." That 75 year old woman and 6 montj old baby were dangerous!

BTW, I call BULL SHIT on all of them.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:53 PM
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13. It's simply Murder By Military THUGS And HOODLUMS
Low hanging fruit like Lyndie England who once they start killing, continue to love to do it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 05:45 PM
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14. According to BBC, the Iraqi police is the one accusing the Americans
But a report filed by Iraqi police accused US troops of rounding up and deliberately shooting 11 people in the house, including five children and four women, before blowing up the building.

The video tape obtained by the BBC shows a number of dead adults and children at the site with what our world affairs editor John Simpson says were clearly gunshot wounds.

The pictures came from a hardline Sunni group opposed to coalition forces.

It has been cross-checked with other images taken at the time of events and is believed to be genuine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5042036.stm
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:02 PM
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15. Of course the reporting includes...
"American forces were going after a high-value terrorist target they succeeded in apprehending"

:eyes:
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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16. U.S. clears troops in Iraqi deaths in Ishaqi
U.S. clears troops in Iraqi deaths in Ishaqi
By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON, June 2 (Reuters) - A U.S. military probe has exonerated U.S. troops in the deaths of Iraqi civilians in the town of Ishaqi in March, finding American forces followed standard procedures and committed no misconduct, defense officials said on Friday.

<snip>

Police in Ishaqi, 60 miles (100 km) north of Baghdad, have said six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. military raid on a home on March 15.

The U.S. military maintains there were four dead in the incident, including a guerrilla, two women and a child, and said they died after troops were fired upon from the house as they arrived to arrest an al Qaeda suspect.

The defense officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said an investigation found no wrongdoing by U.S. forces.


http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nN02247108&imageid=&cap=

I have no words...
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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17. Thank God they killed those innocent children
I feel MUCH safer now. :sarcasm: :puke:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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21. Here are a Few
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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29. OMG...........
I can't help it.......I am crying right now. That is so sad."Support the troops" my phucking ass. Not this time. I am so ashamed to be an American right now. This kind of shit puts a black mark on us all.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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50. Disgusting Behavior
By a group of Louts and Hooligans
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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18. I have lots of words but am too polite to share them.
the lies will come back to bite them and us.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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19. IS this the same raid that the BBC showed the aftermath of yesterday?
The one that showed conclusively that the US military's version, and the truth were at odds with one another?

If it is, colour me surprised.... :eyes:
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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20. Yes, that same one...
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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22. It should be the same one.
I heard the BBC was doing a report on this exact incident.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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25. yes, military investigates itself, clears self.
the disconnect between the words and the pictures is coming out to many. Many more people are noticing. This is good. The acts are horrific, the coverup appalling, the media coverage necessary.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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33. That is one reason for the International Criminal Court.
But Bush will have none of it, because he knows his shameless ass would be in the Hague now.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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23. The military investigating itself
The results should come as no surprise to anyone.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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24. If we shot them
then they're automatically al Quaeda-regardless of age, sex or creed-that is the official party line direct from Rummy.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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26. someone needs to tell clueless anonymous
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 04:50 PM by xxqqqzme
we have all been watching CSI, Crossing Jordon & Numb3rs and we know a body killed by crushing as opposed to one w/ a bullet hole. I saw the pictures and there was more than one child!

So there were FOUR dead - what about the other SEVEN?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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28. The villagers must'a killed them themselves!
Yeah! They'll do anything, you know. Just to make us look bad. :sarcasm:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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27. The military just cleared the military
How special.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #27
40. Our troops are undergoing ethical training
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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30. We're learning well from the IDF
INvestigate self, clear self.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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37. The IDF has never done anything like this, and on this scale!
The IDF would have had to have killed millions of Palestinian to proportionally match the number of civilians killed by US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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38. My point is that the IDF has investigated itself in many
murders and cleared itself. I said nothing about proportional comparisons.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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31. Iraqi witnesses seem to have a different view. So does the evidence.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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42. The US Military LIES about everything
<snip>

The allegations of a massacre surfaced after the BBC aired footage of the incident on March 15.

The BBC said the images seemed to contradict US accounts of what happened in the town of Ishaqi.

The US army initially said four people had died during a raid to find an al-Qaeda supporter in which a building collapsed.

However, Iraqi police said 11 civilians, including five children and four women, were shot and killed by US troops who then blew up the building.

The video footage shows a row of bodies, many displaying what seem to be gunshot wounds.

The video was obtained from a Sunni group opposed to US-led forces, the BBC said.

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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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44. I agree, but even if it wasn't a lie
the Iraqis are NOT happy...and frankly either am I! :puke:
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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32. Claims of civilian murders draw Iraqi ire
Troops cleared in Ishaqi probe; Rumsfeld defends troops training, conduct


The three allegations in recent weeks that U.S. troops murdered Iraqi civilians is fueling a furor in Iraq and drawing strong condemnations from government and human rights officials. “It looks like the killing of Iraqi civilians is becoming a daily phenomenon,” the chairman of the Iraqi Human Rights Association, Muayed al-Anbaki, said Friday after video ran on television of children and adults slain in a raid in March on the Iraqi village of Ishaqi north of Baghdad.

Al-Anbaki’s comments came a day after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki upbraided the U.S. military over allegations that Marines killed two dozen unarmed civilians in the western city of Haditha, calling it “a horrible crime.” They were his strongest public comments on the subject since his government was sworn in last month.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13096200/
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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34. Of course. The media is permitted only one My Lai per war.
Everything else will be denied.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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35. Cover up! A travesty of justice!!!
The victims were bound and executed BEFORE the house was blown up! There are eyewitnesses and US casings beneath the rubble!

This atrocity bothers me even more than Haditha. Maybe that's just because I saw the photo of the six month old baby with a big bullet hole through her head....

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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36. SS cleared of the Babi Yar killings
It was mass suicide!

:puke:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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49. I have never felt so hungry as when I read the book on
Baba Yar. Powerfully heartbreaking also.

These massacres are more common than they will ever allow us to know.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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39. According to BBC, the Iraqi police is the one accusing the Americans
But a report filed by Iraqi police accused US troops of rounding up and deliberately shooting 11 people in the house, including five children and four women, before blowing up the building.

The video tape obtained by the BBC shows a number of dead adults and children at the site with what our world affairs editor John Simpson says were clearly gunshot wounds.

The pictures came from a hardline Sunni group opposed to coalition forces.

It has been cross-checked with other images taken at the time of events and is believed to be genuine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5042036.stm
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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41. Here's the police report:
This is a translation of the Iraqi police report obtained by Knight Ridder, including accounts of events not related to the Ishaqi raid.

In the name of God, the most merciful

This is the morning and afternoon events of 15/3/2006

1. Interior Ministry Operations:

All forces belonging to the Interior Ministry will go on 100 percent alert status starting Wednesday 15/3/2006 until 1000 hours Friday 17/3/2006.

2. Coordination Center of Beji

At 810 gunmen in a white vehicle, duck type (a reference to the local name for a Toyota model) kidnapped the child Mohamed (Badei Khaled) from Samaha school in Beji (map coordinates 617667).

3. Coordination Center of Dujail

At 730 a benzene truck burned near Gassem al Queisy fuel station after one of its tires caught fire. The incident burned the driver (Hamed Abdalilah) and he was transported to the hospital (map coordinates 263519).

4. Coordination Center of Balad

At 230 of 15/3/2006, according to the telegram (report) of the Ishaqi police directorate, American forces used helicopters to drop troops on the house of Faiz Harat Khalaf situated in the Abu Sifa village of the Ishaqi district. The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 people, including 5 children, 4 women and 2 men, then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals (map coordinates 098702).

They were:

Turkiya Muhammed Ali, 75 years

Faiza Harat Khalaf, 30 years

Faiz Harat Khalaf, 28 years

Um Ahmad, 23 years

Sumaya Abdulrazak, 22 years

Aziz Khalil Jarmoot, 22 years

Hawra Harat Khalaf, 5 years

Asma Yousef Maruf, 5 years

Osama Yousef Maruf, 3 years

Aisha Harat Khalaf, 3 years

Husam Harat Khalaf, 6 months

(Signed)

Staff Colonel

Fadhil Muhammed Khalaf

Assistant Chief of the Joint Coordination Center

3/16/2006



http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/world/14139070.htm
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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43. That's a great find, Minstrel Boy
How will the liars in the Pentagon spin this crap? The only reason they get away with this shit is because our glorious free press is only free to parrot Big Brother's Ministry of Truth.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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47. Yes indeed MB! That is a critical point that has been ignored ...
<snip>

But the report of the killings in the Abu Sifa area of Ishaqi, eight miles north of the city of Balad, is unusual because it originated with Iraqi police and because Iraqi police were willing to attach their names to it.

The report, which also contained brief descriptions of other events in the area, was compiled by the Joint Coordination Center in Tikrit, a regional security center set up with United States military assistance. An Iraqi police colonel signed the report, which was based on communications from local police.

Brig. Gen. Issa al-Juboori, who heads the center, said that his office assembled the report on Thursday and that it accurately reflects the direction of the current police investigation into the incident.

He also said he knows the officer heading the investigation. "He's a dedicated policeman, and a good cop," he said when reached by phone in Tikrit from Baghdad. "I trust him."

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:45 AM
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53. Excerpt:
Violence against civilians was "common among many of the multinational forces", he added.

Many troops had "no respect for citizens, smashing civilian cars and killing on a suspicion or a hunch", he added.


These accusations have been made by many during the past three years including officers of the British military and members of the SAS. Many U.S. service personnel have made similar claims. For anyone who stays informed a pretty clear picture has emerged over the years of the sort of activities engaged in by members of the U.S. military.
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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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45. TRANSLATION: Nobody Has *Pictures* Of The Troops Shooting Them (n/t)
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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46. yet, when THEY see a couple teens running from the scene of a bombing
that is all the 'evidence' they need to grab 'em and toss 'em in some iraqi jail as insurgents. (never mind that EVERYONE runs away from where a bomb has just exploded)

investigation my foot.
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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:22 AM
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48. Fox: "Hens were dead when I got there"
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 08:43 PM by phrenzy
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:54 AM
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51. Hello!!!!
Sayin it ain't so, doesn't make it so......
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:51 AM
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52. US denial of Ishaqi massacre is a whitewash like the 2005 Sgrena ambush
US is repeating the original whitewash and passing it off as a completed investigation. The US media is latching to the military's whitewash for they fear starting a news cycle of reporting atrocities in Iraq that would undermine public support for a war the media has supported from its start.

The US denial of an Ishaqi massacre is as much a whitewash as the shooting of Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari and Italian war correspondent Giuliana Sgrena in March 2005. From Democracy Now:

Giuliana Sgrena Blasts U.S. Cover Up, Calls for U.S. and Italy to Leave Iraq
Wednesday, April 27th, 2005


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/27/1350235

In her most extended interview to date in the U.S., Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena blasts a Pentagon report that clears the U.S. soldiers who opened fire on her car, wounding her and killing one of Italy's highest ranking intelligence officials. Sgrena says, "It is important that the Americans press their government to tell the truth. Because it is in the interest of Americans, the truth. Not only of Italians."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We begin today with the ongoing controversy over the killing of one of Italy's highest-ranking intelligence officials by US soldiers last month in Baghdad. On Monday, a US Army official reported that a military investigation has cleared the soldiers who shot dead Nicola Calipari on March 4 after US troops opened fire on the car that was also carrying Giuliana Sgrena - the Italian journalist who had just been freed from captivity. Sgrena has publicly rejected the U.S. claims that the shooting was justified. The leaking of that report sparked outrage in Italy.
The Italian officials on the US-led commission are reportedly refusing to endorse the U.S. Army's findings. Italy maintains that that car carrying Calipari and Sgrena had been driving slowly, received no warning and that Italy had advised U.S. authorities of their mission to evacuate Sgrena from Iraq.

Yesterday, Giuliana Sgrena blasted the results of the investigation at a press conference in Rome.

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