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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:22 AM
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Corn Yields Set to Rise to Meet Ethanol Needs
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DALLAS - Improved technologies and genetics are helping to boost corn yields and raise the amount of ethanol the grain produces, lifting prospects for the alternative fuel, an industry official said Monday.


"One bushel of corn now yields 2.8 gallons of ethanol. That's up from 2.5 gallons several years ago and that's due to improved hybrids and more efficient ethanol plants," said Geoff Cooper, director of commercialisation and business development for the National Corn Growers Association.
New processing technologies can boost that conversion rate to three gallons per bushel or higher and some seed corn companies already are producing ethanol-specific hybrids that yield 3.36 gallons of ethanol per bushel, Cooper told Reuters.

Corn growers in the United States are gathering here this week to learn how they can boost corn output to meet the runaway demand for their grain as ethanol production ramps up.

Corn, crude oil and ethanol -- products that are under the global microscope as gasoline and diesel prices soar -- are hot topics at the NCGA Corn Utilization and Technology Convention that began Monday and ends Wednesday.

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Go Ethanol Go!!!
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:41 AM
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1. Don't get yer hopes up too high
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 02:43 AM by TomInTib
depending on where you are, ethanol may not be cost-effective.

And it WILL NOT be less expensive.

Mark my words.

The margins will be internally governed.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:06 AM
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2. Alternative fules generally are not ever less expensive.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:27 AM
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5. Are you counting lives (in Iraq) per gallon? n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:34 AM
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6. Consider the toll the chemical fertilizers etc take on our health/water
supply. And chemical pesticides.

Ethanol is NOT THE ANSWER.

Making fuel locally from community garbage is.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:52 AM
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8. I support fuel from garbage...
and I'm not blind to chemical pollution. I don't think that ethanol is THE answer, but I support anything that cuts petroleum use right now. Let me know when you run your car on garbage. I'm running mine on American grown/made biodiesel right now.

Bill
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:00 AM
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9. If it helps a little bit, then it's better than nothing
If it can help lower costs and boost supplies while we do the research to find a more suitable long-term energy source, than it's better than doing nothing at all.

But I agree, ethanol is not a long term solution in and of itself.
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:05 PM
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12. Its better than nothing...
However useing less energy / useing availiable energy has conciderably more low hanging fruit.

We can do a huge amount by mandating that states first maintain their roads at a suficently high standard (or decomission them) before building new ones. It will be very unlikey but would start to make road construction more expensive so that 1.) mass transit becomes more attractive, 2.) people pay the real costs of road construction 3.) new exurbs cost substantialy more due to the need for infracture while buldozing an existing close in suburb and building denser will be seen as cheaper (even with the political fallout).

Its somthing but not the enough on its own.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:30 AM
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3. I have a small question though.
It is my understanding that corn rapidly depletes the soil as it grows and I wonder if the new hybrids just might hasten the process. Remember that the fertilizer industry relies heavily on fossil fuels.

I am happy to see the increases in conversion efficiency at the ethanol plants, for it falls into the category of conservation, which is the category Bushco seems to avoid.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:03 PM
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10. Corn uses a lot or water and nitrogen, but it does not "deplete" the
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 02:09 PM by yellowcanine
soil any more rapidly than any other row crop. The nitrogen is added. What can happen is the depletion of organic material if the corn is grown in a conventional till system, but again, no more than any other row crop.

There is some confusion here starting with the title of the thread. The way I read the article is that the corn bushel per acre yield of the corn is not increasing, what is increasing is the yield of ethanol from a bushel of corn. In fact, if these new high ethanol yield hybrids perform the way many "specialty" hybrids perform, they may have a lower yield per acre, at least initially. The reason for this is it usually takes some time to get the "new" technology incorporated into adapted varieties for the different corn growing environments. So the "new" hybrids may perform well (yield wise) in a few environments but not so well in others.

On edit: The authors do also talk about a per acre yield increase as well. But this can/will happen independent of the use of high ethanol yielding hybrids - and I would argue, if anything, the incorporation of high ethanol yielding characteristics will actually slow down the process of developing higher per acre yielding varieties adapted to a wide geographical area.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:38 AM
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4. Ethanol Will Only Displace 3% of Current Oil Consumption
If one assumes that all available land for corn is planted less what is used to feed animals.

This is a scam to justify further corn subsidies to farmers.

Once again, Bush is ripping off the taxpayer.

Let's not start on EROEI.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:48 AM
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7. Corn is not the best plant for ethanol.
But why do we think that saving lives in Iraq is less important than eating meat? No we cannot fuel all the transportation in the country using ethanol. Is that a good reason to not use any ethanol? Is that a good reason to keep killing people in Iraq for oil? And you better not start on EROEI, because if you want to bring up EROEI based on the Cornell study, consider that one of the authors is paid by the oil industry, and the study is suitably tilted and not peer reviewed.


The production of ethanol is energy efficient as it yields almost 25 percent more energy than is used in growing the corn, harvesting it, and distilling it into ethanol. The most recent findings show that corn ethanol fuel is energy efficient and yields an energy output:input ratio of 1.6. To get further details and view graphical representations of the energy balance picture, go to: Ethanol - The Complete Energy Lifecycle Picture (PDF 4 MB), developed by the U.S. Department of Energy.

Early ethanol plants were energy intensive, raising concerns as to whether the transportation fuel being produced was worth the energy going into making it. But the efficiency of corn ethanol production has increased over the last ten years and technical advancements have improved the net energy value of corn ethanol. Today, producing ethanol from corn using our domestic supplies of coal and natural gas achieves a net gain in the form of energy and helps displace the need for foreign oil.

One of the biggest critics of fuel ethanol is David Pimentel, Cornell University. He asserts that it takes about 70% more energy to grow corn and make ethanol from it than what goes into the ethanol. Among other things, however, his analysis is based on old data and does not give any credit for the energy value of the animal feed co-product of making ethanol. On August 23, 2005, the National Corn Growers Association hosted The Debate on the Net Energy Balance of Ethanol, which directly addresses and refutes Pimentel's claims.
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http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/altfuel/eth_energy_bal.html

It will be a better country when we don't set energy policy based on a debate between big oil and big ag. Meanwhile, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Bill

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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:49 PM
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11. My rural general-store lady was telling me...
that a bale of hay for animal feed had gone-up from about $4 to about $15 because farmers were planting corn and flax for ethanol. I don't know much about this, but, I wondered how this correlated to the price of corn and flax and if the same farmers (or different farmers) were "gaming" hay cost to subsidize ethanol plants. Anyway, it just got my curiosity up because if it's connected it seems that the cost of beef, etc. will go up at the same time fuel cost increases. Win, win?...or loose, loose depending on perspective.

I'm interjecting this comment because I wonder about how it all plays-out together...

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:29 PM
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13. Sounds like a job for genetically modified corn
Opportunity everywhere for Corporama.
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