Canada terror suspect charges made public

By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 11 minutes ago

BRAMPTON, Ontario - At least one member of a group of terror suspects plotted to storm Canada's parliament and behead officials, including the prime minister, if Muslim prisoners in Canada and Afghanistan were not released, according to charges made public Tuesday.

Authorities also alleged that Steven Vikash Chand plotted to take over media outlets such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

"There's an allegation apparently that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada," attorney Gary Batasar said. "It's a very serious allegation. My client has said nothing about that."

Chand is a 25-year-old restaurant worker from Toronto. Charges were expected to be read against at least some of the other suspects Tuesday.

more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060606/ap_on_re_ca/canada_terrorism_arrests_41;_ylt=AkHSVUy.gMUZpvqk7WmDs7gTv5UB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

I guess they still know how to run a democratic judicial system in Canada based on the law as it exists rather then make it up as you go along!

What's with those spineless canucks, anyway?

/sarcasm

And with today's advances in medical science, you could probably get Harper back to his regular level of wit and lucidity without too much trouble.

They can't just charge them like that in public and make them face a jury of their peers with a lawyer present!

Why, that's so.... UnAmerican.

Spying on chatrooms is very American.

Where do you think this guy supposedly said all this stuff, if he did?

Anyone with a basic knowledge of cyber sleuthing could find out who I am.

I could care less.

As long as I'm not plotting to cut the heads off my politicians, I think I'm pretty safe.

From the AFP article on the subject:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060606/wl_afp/canadaattackstrial_060606184338

'cutting the head off the pm' ! ahhahhahhahhaa

'taking over the cbc' ! bwahahhaha

i'm surprised they didn't include the bit about toppling the cn tower using a giant slingshot. what a joke of epic proportions. fear-mongering, bigoted, american-inspired, gestapo crap.

It just seems to me that if the police/intelligence services *were* going to make some shit up, *they* could do a better job than "behead the prime minister". (Mind you, they did burn barns, didn't they?)

The very fact that it sounds so incredibly DUMB when you say it out loud is really what lends it credibility, in my own eyes. We may well be dealing with a flock of turkeys, but they do sound more like self-motivated turkeys flapping around in the real world than like turkeys of CSIS/RCMP invention, in some private twilight zone, to me.

I am sure I have seen similarly ridiculous stuff posted on DU. His defense lawyer released this info first, and I am sure he meant to point out how overblown, ridiculous and unrealistic it all sounds.

Now THAT's Canadian terrorism.

Many here, even the Canadians, won't remember this:

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-70-1308-7634-11/on_this_day/disasters_tragedies/lortie_gunman
(there's video, for those who weren't watching in 1984)

"The government now in power is going to be destroyed." Those are the words of Denis Lortie, a Canadian soldier who walked into the Quebec National Assembly carrying a sub-machine gun. He killed three people and wounded 13 others. Just before his shooting spree, he had dropped off a tape at a local radio station explaining his plans to destroy the Parti Québécois. ...

Beheading may sound like fun, but a spiffy firearm usually works better.

The once armed 'psychotic' (sez moi) claimed he had the "tools" he didn't have before his murders.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0010364

June 6 (Bloomberg) -- Lawyers for 15 Canadian men accused of a terrorist plot to blow up Ontario landmarks said prosecutors are charging one of the defendants with planning to storm parliament and behead Prime Minister Stephen Harper ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a.9clRtYnRNg&refer=top_world_news


Outline is sorta unclear here:

"Let's chop off Harper's head."
"OK. I'll get the fertilizer. How much do you think we need?"
"Dunno. How much can the Mounties deliver?"

with too much time on their hands pretending to be terrorists.

THey could have blown up something. But if they actually thought they would manage to Storm the House, hold it, and then just start Be-heading people without opposition, they're dumb as shit.
There's over 300 members sitting during the house during session for starters. Not to mention the armed guards.
Supposedly they were gonna storm CBC and all this shit too. Seems these morons thought 17 of them could take on the whole nation.
Punks, I hope their asses get impaled in Prison.

I agree, any dimwit trying to take them on might get a bit of surprise.

And me, I just don't find it all that hard to "fall for" the notion that there are loony stupid people in the world ... even in Canada ... some of whom actually try to do loony stupid things that, on the very off chance they succeeded, could cause real harm.

Some are "journalists". But they have a legal way of hurting people "just cut taxes and increase inequality and get rid of medicare".

Fortunately.. these nuts and those nuts are few and far between in Canada.

The neocons will get booted out soon enough. The others.. like these terrorists.. to trial and jail.

Let us hope that scientific tests give us the tools to identify the psychopaths early.. so they cannot attack and scapegoat and make more victims. So they don't hang out in a mall and try and convert followers to one or the other utopian myths.

Utopia and myth making has killed millions. You must agree? The enlightenment is our friend. And the only way to live. With intellect, empathy, might and discernment.

Sorry, just random guffawing. I said "in a nutshell" in answer to your post about nuts, and I didn't even get it. Okay, I'm done.

to show up!:rofl: You always do......when the topic is Canada.

Me & my elightenment Liberals friends will win this great fight using the facts and the real issues.. and not diminish ourselves with vague personal attacks on people we disagree with - and who we don't know.

Cause that is no win buddy. No win at all!

but you may have missed that in my first reply to you, I was agreeing with you -- about first impressions of this event. Loony stupid people. (The world really is quite rife with them.)

(Obviously I don't agree with you that Canadians are "liberal", and I don't have much in the way of "Liberal friends" myself, but I didn't see any need to drag any of that into this topic.)

Now of course it is likely me missing that you're agreeing with me ...

And they are all dangerous. Some..like these freaks from Mississauga belong in jail. Some don't deserve power.

Be happy with your Liberal friends, now.

DU site (if you are not in Canada...you may not have access to that google add) but it is a Harper Con push poll questionnaire.

And unlike that phrase in all intellectual discussion of Canadian politics: "all Canadian parties are small L parties"..this ad divides Canadians into extremely Liberal, Liberal, moderate, conservative and extremely conservative (at least it did when I tried to answer the poll/ad last week out of cureosity..but left running). Now the Progressive Conservatives were always considered a small "L" liberal party. And the NDP are considered a small "L" liberal party.. especially when they get into power and rule fiscally in a conservative fashion as they have. And of course the Block Quebecois are small "L" liberals. The Liberals would be considered "liberal" too - I think.

It is only the present conservatives, the Reform Party of Canada and the Conservative Reform Alliance Party (or whatever) that are the extreme conservatives. and they are all the same party with different names at different times. So somehow.. the ad put out by the Harper conservatives again in you are in the USA you will not see this google ad lists 5 types of political views. One of which describes everyone in Canada who has ever been elected government "small liberal".. and three new made up categories on the right. These three new categories represent only the present conservative minority government of Canada (extremely conservative)... with two categories in the middle that have never been filled in any actuality or in any reality.

But if you build it - maybe they will come?

I'm having an interesting time right now reading "Poisoned Peace" by Gregor Dallas. A great read. I highly recommend it. Very interesting. About the end of WWII. And with some mention of atrocities.. but not much.. the main theme seems to be that nobody ever thought the axis were facsists. That word was apparently never used to describe Germany, Italy or Japan during the war. Apparently the only appropriate use of the word is when it is applied to Stalin. I agree it should be applied to Stalin. But then there is the word totalitarianism. And that is another word that is really only appropriate to apply to the Soviets. I agree the Soviets were totalitarians. I have not gotten to the end.. but I believe the part where the west begins to use the word fascist to apply to the nazis.. I'm guessing that will be shown to be a false conclusion .. but I don't know.. I haven't gotten to the end yet. I don't know what word will be used to describe the "governments" of Japan & Germany. Or if a word to describe that form of government will be allowed at all?

I wouldn't trade the current neocons for the Soviets or the Nazis any day. But why they hell do I have state that? Neocons like the propaganda and they don't want an enlightened life for the population.

Why? With all the lies? And the myths?

good lord, why are people falling for this shit?

Given as how I can't imagine that you, or the person you are so concisely agreeing with, has any clue about the situation you're commenting on.

Maybe one or both of you could provide us with links to the media reports you've been reading, and then give us a short dissertation on the history of political and quasi-political violence in Canada, and tell us what you know about inter-ethnic relations in Canadian cities in the last 5 years or so, and Canada's current activities on the world stage, and the political/politicized activities of Canada's police/intelligence service ...

Nah. Didn't think so.

Want an example of who is targeted by Canadian intelligence services?

http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/anti-e/06eva-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=38&Ses=1&comm_id=597

Proceedings of the Special Senate Committee on the Anti-terrorism Act
Issue 6 - Evidence - Morning meeting

OTTAWA, Monday, March 21, 2005

Mr. Paul Kennedy, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada: Honourable senators, on behalf of my colleagues, we welcome the opportunity to address the Senate at this time. ...

You have been provided with the judicial summary in relation to Mr. Ahani. This case is comparatively light in terms of the length of the document. It is about 17 pages. In the recent case of Mr. Zundel, hundreds of pages were turned over to him. (If you don't know who Ernst Zundel is, you should find out. Google for Wolfgang Droege while you're at it; one of our charming local white supremacists, shot dead in a love triangle gone wrong last summer.)

With regard to whether Mr. Ahani was informed of the allegations against him, paragraph 1 indicates that the service has reason to believe that Mr. Mansour Ahani is a member of the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security — the MOIS. The MOIS sponsors, and undertakes directly, a wide range of terrorist activities that includes the assassination of political dissidents worldwide.

In paragraph 3 on page 3, there is an indication of what will be shown in the report as it goes along. The allegation is that the primary function of the MOIS is the assassination of Iranian dissidents worldwide. Mr. Ahani has received specialized training from this organization that qualifies him as an assassin. After he was granted refugee status in Canada, Ahani departed Canada for Europe, where he was arrested in the company of known MOIS assassins.

On page 4D we see that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Ahani, while in Europe, was participating in a plot to assassinate a known Iranian dissident. Mr. Ahani is now back in Canada.

In paragraph 4 there is some background information on the MOIS, which came into existence in August of 1983.

In paragraph 5 we see that the protection of the Islamic Republic of Iran is of paramount importance to the MOIS. It targets intellectuals, opposition politicians, members of either moderate or extremist dissident organizations, and some of the members of these organizations and groups reside in Canada or visit this country.

In paragraph 6 we see that the top priority of the MOIS at this time is the Mujahedin-e Khalq — the MEK. The second priority is right-wing groups that oppose the government, and the third priority is left-wing groups and individuals who oppose the government.

Regardless of where you are in the political spectrum, you are caught here.

On page 5, paragraph 7, we see that on March 16, 1993, two gunmen on a motor scooter pulled up beside a car on a congested street in Rome and shot the driver in the face at point-blank range. The motorist was a former Iranian diplomat, Mr. Nagdi, who headed the Rome office of the MEK. As well, Germany is concerned about the murder of four leaders of the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran in Germany last September. ...

The MEK is a complex beast; I won't bore you with extensive analysis. To generalize somewhat recklessly, it is "leftist". And while some courts in Canada have taken the position that it is itself a "terrorist" organization, plainly (and I do know this from direct experience) it is the Iranian embassy and its operatives that are of most concern to Canadian security and intelligence, and police, services. They have done REAL THINGS in Canada; I know, because I know people they have done them to (and I could go on, but it would be unwise). They are hardly a threat to the govt of Canada, but they are a threat to individuals in Canada, and I'm perfectly happy for my security / intelligence / police services to be doing something about it.

I'm also perfectly happy for my govt to be doing something about people involved in GUN-RUNNING across the US border, whether they be inner-city gangs (the huge police operation last month), loony stupid people who fancy themselves jihadists, or outlaws exploiting First Nations communities.

Oh, what; you didn't know about the gun-running part of this story? Or just didn't care? Who knows, eh?

I'm not perfectly happy with everything my police / security / intelligence services do ... but at least I have a clue what it is.

Well played :)

THese "Why are you falling for this?!" People have no basis and no stable argument to support their claims. But wait, they, "Have a feeling." :eyes:

Those two were picked up under a narcotics watch actually...

Shouldn't they try and convict the other five, Canada is holding--(2 were released on bail, so they couldn't be that dangerous) without charges or contact, before starting another questionable round of 'homegrown' terrorism.

Precisely what does tracking Iranian government spies have to do with the alleged validity or not of this situation?

It doesn't sound very convincing to be honest especially in light of the past 5 years...

The flag placed on their licence plate number so that the rental car would be stopped when it came back across the border was that there was a narcotics watch, as I understand things. Hmm. I wonder whether that might have been just a tad inaccurate, possibly for the purpose of not blowing the investigation. Has there been some suggestion that these folks were actually trafficking narcotics into Canada? Certainly not that I've heard. I have read, though, that they were caught with a small quantity of firearms and ammunition when the "narcotics watch" flag was acted on.

Gimme a break. Are you seriously suggesting that these individuals were under surveillance for drug trafficking?

Precisely what does tracking Iranian government spies have to do with the alleged validity or not of this situation?

I give up. I think I'll just have to go home and have dinner, and let you mull over the question of why I would have gone to the trouble of re-finding and copying and pasting and posting and commenting on something so utterly and completely irrelevant as one example of one kind of security/intelligence work done here. Sorry that I'm not going to share my rather extensive and intensive first-hand experience with it all; I do value my privacy, and safety, a little too highly.

that frightens me. I count on you to show up and take the neo side of Cdn neocons. You sound downright Liberal today! Good information is important isn't it! Better to be informed than not.

I count on you to show up and take the neo side of Cdn neocons.

I'm sure that meant something, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what.

You sound downright Liberal today!

And of course that is just a personal attack, although not quite the one that was intended.

n/t

they are into shrunken heads

bogons being the fundamental particle of bogosity. It is too fantastic to believe. Sounds like it was written by the Canadian Film Board technothriller department..

It may be a bit of catapulting the propaganda by our side of the fence. Imagine if there was a threat (and NO I'M NOT THREATENING ANYONE) that the same thing were to be plotted and discovered AND FOILED by the * cabal.... October surprise, anyone?

Because the plot is so stupid. Why don't you guys think about it? A bunch of dumb-ass teenagers with chips on their shoulders decide to do some Jihadist shit, they actaully manage to organize, somehow the cops get wind of them.
So, through wire tapping and what not the cops hear they want to chop of the PM's head and storm the CBC, yada, yada, yada.... then the cops hear they want to buy some explosive material... LOTS of it.
This worries the cops because NOW this group of assholes actually is trying to get a means to kill people. So, they find a way to sell the stuff to them so they can make an arrest. And it all goes down.
THAT is the reason the plot from these buffoons is so laughable. Not because it's a conspiracy. These guys aren't pros, they're a bunch of stupid kids. But they are stupid kids that could have easily blown up a building at the very least.
So, I'm glad the cops got them.

Why would these very stupid kids want to harm other humans to start with? Bad education system, or just 'lack of good care' from their parents? Or teevee? Movies? Book(s)? Internet?

What is it that they'd 'choose' to murder other human beings? What sort of "pleasure" would they get from becomming murderers?

What is wrong with our species? :banghead:

to town and set about teaching kids to be jihadists. That is very grave indeed.

A low-level employee at an embassy in Canada belonging a country whose government the US strongly disapproved of, and which progressives everywhere supported, went to a self-serve car wash. After he left, the carwash cashier noticed a shoulder bag on the counter. She looked inside and observed a handgun and a quantity of cocaine-looking stuff. She called police. It was determined to belong to him, because his ID was in it.

The embassy employee was charged with the appropriate offences. Some elements of the left in Canada took up his cause. I was asked to sign a petition protesting what was being done to him. I declined. A certain lefty lawyer in Toronto never spoke to me again.

All I could say was a great big DUH. Did these people REALLY not believe that old what's 'is name (a good friend of mine was friends with him) was dealing coke, using his diplomatic passport for the purpose??

If they didn't, then they had to believe that the cops had planted an agent in this car wash, to watch and wait for the day when someone associated with a left-wing foreign government came in and left behind a purse in which a handgun and a quantity of cocaine could be planted. Or maybe the cops put out a secret reward, known only to carwash cashiers, for anyone who could come up with something to pin on employees of left-wing foreign governments ...

It's amazing what some people who pride themselves on their skepticism will choose (or claim) to believe. It really is.