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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:11 PM
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Republicans are calling Bush's marriage push a 'misguided effort'
Some Republicans are calling Bush's marriage push a 'misguided effort'

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday June 6, 2006


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Some Republicans are calling President Bush's push for a marriage amendment a 'misguided effort,' according to a story set for the front page of Wednesday's New York Times, RAW STORY has found.

Excerpts from the article written by Carl Hulse:

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Though some Republican candidates may relish the Senate's current concentration on same-sex marriage and other ideologically charged topics, Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island does not.

"It may stir up my primary voters a little bit against me," said Chafee, a centrist Republican up for re-election who opposes the push for constitutional amendments to prohibit same-sex marriage and is under intense pressure to back a proposed amendment that would forbid flag burning. "I'm collateral damage."

Other Republicans, including some conservatives, say Chafee may not be the only potential victim of what they see as a misguided effort to appeal to social conservatives with hot-button issues such as the marriage ban and the flag amendment. They say the discontent among Republicans that is putting the party's control of Congress at risk is being driven by other concerns such as health care, the economy and immigration and that replaying the marriage debate could do as much political damage as good.

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DEVELOPING...


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Some_Republicans_call_Bush_marriage_push_0606.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:14 PM
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1. "Misguided" by whom?
rove? Heh, hehe.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:26 PM
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6. Nope, the 17 richest families.
See my post below and see papau's thread for info on the Estate Tax lies and misrepresentations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x21086

bush is shilling for his real base, "the haves and the have mores" once again. He is running interference with his wedge issue dog and pony show. Same as always.
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:29 PM
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8. Pandering to his base ...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:34 PM
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11. well, pretending to pander to the flunkie part of his base
while protecting the bank accounts of his patrons.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:32 PM
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10. Oh, that's right..
that needs to be snuck through while the heads are turned.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:16 PM
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2. Bad politics make good comedy
I haven't laughed at Republicans so much in ages.

Hope they can top this one.
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:43 PM
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12. They dooooooooooooo know how to entertain ... LOL! ...
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 08:51 PM by Veronica.Franco
Be they ever so disgusting ...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:36 AM
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20. like most good comedy, there are tragic elements
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:22 PM
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3. Actually, it's a PR stunt to distract us from the Estate Tax issue
The 17 wealthiest families are pulling a big PR campaign. My guess is there are some patriarchs who are failing fast, even with the help of machines. Scions of the Rich & Well Hidden are getting antsy about securing their fortunes, ALL of their fortunes.

Bad as the Marriage Attack Act is, the vote on the Hill is not the last chance we have to thwart so it is not really a do-or-die thing THIS week. States have to ratify amendments, so everybody gets time to work in their states on pressuring pols to use their brains.

Hell, the ERA STILL hasn't been ratified, decades after that process started.

Bad as the wedge issue is, it is still just a wedge issue and a diversion to some real damage being done in the background.

Repeal of the Estate Tax is actually gonna mean a Birth Tax on every American citizen, regardless of what their family estate amount to. The Estate Tax affects very few people.

Yeah, bush is misguided; he is misguided by the ultra rich to divert our attention while they manage a tax cut in the billions.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:53 PM
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16. More Than That
The Dominionists promise the cheap labor Republicans a fully-compliant labor force, no strikes, no labor unrest -- EVER.
God wants you to slave away under dangerous conditions for long hours and low pay, dontyaknow.

A theocracy ensures that the people will never rise up, no matter how repressive things get.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:23 PM
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4. "It may stir up my primary voters a little bit against me,"
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 08:27 PM by depakid
Isn't it interesting that Republicans- as a party- rarely express any concern about ousting members who occasionally vote with the opposition?

On the other hand- people get pilloried- even on DU- for wanting to get rid of disgusting DINO's who frequently vote with the far right- or otherwise enable and legitimize their policies.

Hmmm.

Could be that's one of the reasons why the Dems (much less traditional Democratic values) are barely even relevant in national politics....

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:23 PM
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5. BYE BYE Chafee YOU WILL HAVE LOTS OF COMPANY IN NOV!!
AND YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED..don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!!

collateral damage..?? what a pitiful thing to say when he cheered for * and the war ..the real collateral damage *Chafee* are the soldiers you helped murder and the iraqi people you did murder with your sick lies and votes!!

fly
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:30 PM
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9. Exactly. And again, for these destructive Repugs, it's always about
them, them, and them. Just one more confirmation of what we always knew (and said).
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:27 PM
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7. What would happen if all the Dems refused to show up for the vote on
that day? Bet ya the Repukes would be as mad as anyone that the law passed. This is pandering..while spreading hate. Dispicable.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:50 PM
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13. Chafee voted for cloture on the Scalito nomination... just as bad...
as voting for confirmation.

He also voted for Roberts.

FUCK CHAFEE!



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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:09 PM
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14. * is using the marriage deal
to cover his tracks on all of the other pressing issues which do need attention. It's about time they wised up.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 01:12 AM
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18. Wouldn't it be funny if Iraq voted to legalize gay marriage...
just to make Bush look bad?

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:24 PM
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15. is that the push to save his own marriage?
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:24 PM
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17. FULL TIMES ARTICLE HERE ...
Senate Emphasis on Ideology Has Some in G.O.P. Anxious


WASHINGTON, June 6 — Though some Republican candidates may relish the Senate's current concentration on same-sex marriage and other ideologically charged topics, Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island is not among them.

"It may stir up my primary voters a little bit against me," said Mr. Chafee, a centrist Republican up for re-election. He opposes the push for a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage and is under intense pressure to back a proposed amendment that would forbid flag burning. "I'm collateral damage."

Other Republicans, including some conservatives, say Mr. Chafee may not be the only potential victim of what they see as a misguided effort to appeal to social conservatives by staging votes intended primarily to make a point about the party's values. They say that voters are more concerned about the economy, health care and immigration, and that replaying the marriage debate in particular could do as much damage as good as Republicans fight to retain control of Congress.

"I don't think the problem is primarily with social conservatives," said Pat Toomey, a former Republican House member who now heads the Club for Growth, a conservative political action committee. "The problem I see is with economic conservatives who see out-of-control spending, huge deficits and that Republicans can't make the tax cuts permanent. The problem is on a different field."

Those who doubt the strategy are up against a long-held belief among Republican leaders that highlighting issues like same-sex marriage, flag desecration and abortion speaks to the party's convictions and carries concrete political benefits.

Proponents of the strategy say bringing up the issues now forces Democrats to cast votes that Republicans can use to demonstrate differences between the parties in an election year. They say the votes are important in re-energizing conservatives who have grown disaffected in the last year or two — a potentially vital step in a midterm election in which turnout is often low and races typically hinge on which side does better in turning out its base.

A poll released Tuesday showed a slide in support for President Bush among members of his party. The survey, by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, found Mr. Bush experiencing steep declines among those calling themselves moderate Republicans, with conservatives turning away from him as well, though more slowly.

The poll, based on a survey of 3,204 adults conducted from April 27 to May 22, found that Mr. Bush's support among moderate and liberal Republicans had declined to 56 percent from 81 percent in December 2004, immediately after his re-election, while conservative approval had fallen to 78 percent from 93 percent.

There are multiple reasons why Congress is taking up the issues now. The legislative calendar is relatively thin. The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist of Tennessee, who controls the Senate's schedule, has been trying to convince social conservatives that he is one of them in advance of a potential presidential bid. And while the leadership wants election-year votes on social issues, they do not want them too close to November in case they backfire.

Republicans skeptical of the value of pushing volatile social issues onto the agenda say the calculation is different when it comes to contentious economic issues, especially tax cuts. They say that taxes touch everyone's lives directly and that debating them helps to highlight what is at stake for individuals, in dollars-and-cents terms, in the November election.

As a result, there is much less debate among Republicans about the wisdom of forcing a vote in the Senate this week on the repeal of the federal estate tax, an issue that ranks at or near the top of the wish lists of economic conservatives.

The politics are not so clear-cut when it comes to social issues. Even Republicans who see an advantage in the marriage proposal say it is politically risky in some respects and could complicate the re-election chances of endangered Republican incumbents in the Northeast and in other spots like South Florida.

Yet they defend the fight as necessary to solidifying the party's base before any effort to expand Republican appeal. And they say the issue could be used against Democratic incumbents in conservative states like Georgia and should help drive voters to the polls.

But the notion that social issues can influence turnout in a substantial way is a matter of some dispute.

Matthew Dowd, who was Mr. Bush's campaign strategist in 2004, said it was a myth that emphasizing same-sex marriage in battleground states like Ohio was critical to Mr. Bush's re-election. He said turnout patterns were comparable in states where same-sex marriage was a chief topic and where it was not.

"If you vote on it, vote on it for principle, because it is going to have little or no benefit in an election cycle," Mr. Dowd said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/07/washington/07cong.html?hp&ex=1149652800&en=6af079aa410b7e79&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:05 AM
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19. **SERIOUSLY*** ... I Take Issue With The Word "Misguided"...
... to me, that word implies that he has "good intentions" but that he hasn't thought it through very well. such a word does not describe the the true cynicism, bigotry and hate that motivates the folks who support this amendment.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:15 AM
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21. Get with the program Chafee GOP don't need no stinkin Moderates
It is their way or the highway...Surprised he doesn't get it...
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