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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:40 PM
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Cuba Breaks Taboos With National Gay Soap Opera
Jun 7, 2006 4:44 pm US/Eastern

Cuba Breaks Taboos With National Gay Soap Opera

(CBS4/AP) HAVANA Once persecuted, then excluded, and finally tolerated, Cuban homosexuals have seen the debate on sexual diversity open wide before their eyes over the past few week. Now state-run Cuban television is breaking even more taboos with a gay soap opera.

For the first time ever, Cuban television is running a soap opera where several of the characters are openly gay.

"The Hidden Side of the Moon" is the title of the soap opera that has generated so much controversy among Cuban viewers that the Cuban Institute of Radio and Television, a state-run entity, had to pre-empt regular programming and invite a panel of experts to call for tolerance.

The soap opera tells the story of people that by different means have been infected by HIV.
(snip/...)

http://cbs4.com/entertainment/local_story_158162533.html
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:45 PM
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1. Isn't it sad...
when Cuba is more progressive than America?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:21 AM
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9. Will and Grace, Queer Eye, and others
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 09:22 AM by Bacchus39
have been around for years. Cuba more progressive???? good one.

who stars in the Cuban "novela"?? Castro and Chavez???
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:45 AM
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10. Those story lines weren't about people with HIV
I guess that, in your hurry to post some inane trash about Castro and Chavez, you didn't bother reading this part from the OP...
The soap opera tells the story of people that by different means have been infected by HIV.



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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:44 AM
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11. This show sounds like it's a long way from Will & Grace
It actually addresses a real issue, as opposed to filling up space between commericals with product-enhancing sterotypically unreal, but highly sellable products, the main characters. If "The Hidden Side of the Moon" is being called a soap-opera, I assume this means it's on five days a week, which Will & Grace & Queer Eye I don't think were, except maybe in reruns.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:02 PM
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20. As if our government would ever sponsor a gay ANYTHING, though.
That's the point.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:03 AM
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13. How can you say such a thing?
After all, Louisiana is only the second state, two now out of 50, to roll back the clock and ban abortion. Surely it is no coincidence that Gov Bianco has now outlawed abortion only two years after visiting Cuba and meeting with Castro.

Two states down and 48 to go. That's progress.

We only have about 2.2 million people right now in prison in the US, but we know of course that the whole island of Cuba is one big horrible prison for its several millions, and so few manage to escape.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:40 AM
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14. Tons of American politicians, including governors, senators, mayors,
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:56 AM by Judi Lynn
representatives, even a former President of the United States, who addressed the entire Cuban population on tv and radio live have ALSO been to Cuba, and met with the Cuban President.

Do you have some bonifide information about the entire island of Cuba being "one big horrible prison for it's several millions?" Just feel free to post a link, if you would.

As for "we only have about 2.2 million people right now in prison in the US," you neglected to include the fact this country, under reactionary leadership has the highest per capita prison population in the entire world.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:38 AM
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15. Thank you for refuting a preposterous post on my part
I was attempting to imitate the typical highly charged and emotional Cuba-bashing posts I usually encounter on these threads. I see my attempt was successful. :thumbsup:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 04:04 AM
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29. I guess the poster you're referring to needed a...
:sarcasm:

for you to understand it.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:59 PM
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17. FYI, abortion is legal in Cuba.
If pregnant Cuban women don't want to have an abortion they don't have one.
If they want one they can.
Cuban women in Cuba have freedom to choose.

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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:01 AM
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26. Yes it is legal Mika, and this is what I was trying to imply in my post
I was trying to be ironic in my response to the poster about how "progressive" the collapsing, regressive USA is, but I guess my attempt did not translate well without the use of the dripping sarcasm button, and it is too late to apply it now. I recognize that there may be some posters who have developed an immunity to humor or irony on this forum when it involves a subject they are so passionate about and when they are so used to posts that parrot the propaganda constantly shoveled out about Cuba and Venezuela. Thank you for pointing out that the message in my post about abortion in Cuba taken at face value is a lie.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:48 PM
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2. Reporters Without Borders: Its Secret Deal with Otto Reich to Wreck Cuba's
Reporters Without Borders: Its Secret Deal with Otto Reich to Wreck Cuba's Economy
by Indy Media Monday, May. 29, 2006 at 10:16 PM
DIANA BARAHONA

From the beginning, RSF has made Cuba its No. 1 target. Allegedly founded to advocate freedom of the press around the world and to help journalists under attack, the organization has called Cuba "the world's biggest prison for journalists." It even gives the country a lower ranking on its press freedom index than countries where journalists routinely have been killed, such as Colombia, Peru and Mexico. RSF has waged campaigns aimed at discouraging Europeans from vacationing in Cuba and the European Union from doing business there its only campaigns worldwide intended to damage a country's economy.

The above is not a matter of chance because it turns out that RSF is on the payroll of the U.S. State Department and has close ties to Helms-Burton-funded Cuban exile groups.

As a majority of members of Congress work toward normalizing trade and travel with Cuba, the extremist anti-Castro groups that have dictated U.S. Cuba policy for 40 years continue working tirelessly to maintain an economic stranglehold on the island. Their support for RSF is part of this overall strategy.

Havana-based journalist Jean-Guy Allard wrote a book about RSF's leader (El expediente Robert Ménard: Por qué Reporteros sin Fronteras se ensaña con Cuba, Quebec: Lanctôt, 2005) which lays out the pieces of the puzzle regarding Menard's activities, associations and sources of funding in an attempt to explain what he calls Menard's "obsession" with Cuba. On April 27 this year the pieces began to come together: Thierry Meyssan, president of the Paris daily, Red Voltaire, published an article in which he claimed Menard had negotiated a contract with Otto Reich and the Center for a Free Cuba (CFC) in 2001. Reich was a trustee of the center, which receives the bulk of its funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development. The contract, according to Meyssan, was signed in 2002 around the time Reich was appointed Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere for the Secretary of State. The initial payment for RSF's services was approximately 24,970 euros in 2002 ($25,000), which went up to 59,201 euros in 2003 ($50,000).

Lucie Morillon, RSF's Washington representative, confirmed in an interview on April 29 that they are indeed receiving payments from the Center for a Free Cuba, and that the contract with Reich requires them to inform Europeans about the repression against journalists in Cuba and to support the families of journalists in prison. Morillon also said they received $50,000 from the CFC in 2004 and that this amount was consistent from year to year. But she denied that the anti-Cuba declarations on radio and television, full-page ads in Parisian dailies, posters, leafletting at airports and an April 2003 occupation of the Cuban tourism office in Paris were aimed at discouraging tourism to the island.
(snip/...)

http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/05/1825935.php
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:15 PM
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3. glad to here this
as someone who is gay AND Jewish I have been very very very unimpressed with Cuba's treatment of gays and Jews in the past. I guess things are slowly getting better. It is interesting to note that Castro at one time supported Israel as a sister socialist nation. Until the 6 day war.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:57 PM
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4. I posted a thread on DU last year about Cuban gay marriages.
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 08:57 PM by Mika
It was with a link to a story on the first gay married couple (in 2003) celebrating at another gay couple's wedding. (Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark it.) Cuba has formally recognized gay unions (the church "marriage" is up to the persons involved and their church), and couples can just get a license and -voila- its done. Legally.

Most of the stories about the (state sponsored) ill treatment of gays and Jews in Cuba are hyperbole and exile hysteria meant to demonize Castro and the Cuban socialist system. Not that there wasn't homophobia ingrained to some degree in the old Cuban culture (as in much of the Caribbean and Latin Americas), but things have changed and are changing still - all for the better.

:hi:

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:20 PM
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24. Thanks for pointing that out. Castro is light-years ahead of our
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:21 PM by Vidar
dictatorship.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 05:28 AM
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31. For the 10,000th time - CASTRO DIDN'T DO IT! The Cuban people do it.
The Cuban parliament (National Assembly) NOT CASTRO amended the homophobic laws in Cuba, as well as provided the funding for the HIV awareness soap opera and the televised discussion forum.


I am so sick of the 'Castro did this' and 'Castro did that' crap - that is intended to completely ignore the will & doings of the vast majority of Cubans who control their representational government via their vote and bi-annual recall opportunities.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:02 PM
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5. Hit drama forces Cubans to confront homophobia
Hit drama forces Cubans to confront homophobia

From Ronald Buchanan in Havana

NOBODY is suggesting – not yet, anyway – that Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were anything more than the best of revolutionary friends, but a new TV soap opera has blown wide open Cuba’s macho myth and polarised the population.
The series, called La Cara Oculta De La Luna (Dark Side Of The Moon), is nothing short of sensational in Cuba’s closed, frequently homophobic society.

This is no light romance or morally uplifting tale of revolutionary justice, but a sympathetic, if occasionally sensationalised, account of the lives of people with HIV and Aids.
(snip)

Dark Side Of The Moon was altogether different, however. The newspapers, which are predominantly loyal to the government, were deluged with readers’ letters and packed with interviews and commentaries about the series.

Infomed, the health ministry’s website, opened a readers’ blog; participants in the regular internet forum run by the National Centre for Sexual Education (Cenesex) spoke of nothing else for days; and Jiribilla, an electronic magazine, dedicated a whole issue to the programme.
(snip/...)

http://www.sundayherald.com/55671
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:05 PM
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6. Well I would reallylike
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 10:06 PM by BayCityProgressive
to see links about this gay "wedding". Everything I find says Cuba mistreats gays who are openly gay in public and there are no rights. Also, it was one of only 5 nations last year to oppose a resolution in the UN protecting gays, the US also opposed it along with Iran, China and a few others..
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:18 AM
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7. Gays Wed In Cuba: The Second Revolution
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 03:19 AM by killbotfactory
A few hours before floats, rainbow flags, and a sea of humanity filled Sao Paulo's central Avenida Paulista last Sunday for Latin America's biggest ever Pride Parade, Agence France Presse reported that, in Cuba, two gay male couples also made history by publicly holding the first gay wedding there.

Four local boys, Michel and Ángel, and Juanito and Alejandro, ranging in ages from 17 to 22, exchanged symbolic vows before their families and friends at a neighborhood recreation center in one of the poorest sections of San Miguel del Padrón, a working-class suburb southeast of Havana.

Dressed in white, with Ángel and Juanito as brides, the four declared themselves "very happy" and said they planned to honeymoon together at one of the modest camping sites the government runs for Cubans.

"Yes, what we're doing is daring, but... I'm not afraid," Michel told France Presse. "People have thrashed us, but we don't care," said Ángel. Michel's mother, Luisa, said that "many people had criticized" Michel. "He's my son, they've decided to live together. What can I do? I'm not going to kill him," she said. Rolando, a fortyish friend of one of the couples, hit the nail on the head: This "is historic, it's never before seen" in Cuba, he told the reporter.


http://www.thegully.com/essays/cuba/010621gay_cuba.html

This article was written 5 years ago!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:09 AM
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8. All anti-gay references in Cuban laws were eliminated
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 07:10 AM by Mika
Solidarity is the key to advancing LGBT rights
http://socialismandliberation.org/mag/index.php?aid=616
In the early years of the revolution, attitudes and policies toward gay people in Cuba were not different from the rest of the world. As the revolution developed, the impact of the international LGBT struggle began to be felt. In 1979, laws criminalizing gays were eliminated. In 1986 the National Commission on Sex Education introduced a program on homosexuality and bisexuality as healthy and positive. Prominent leaders like Cuban president Fidel Castro and Cuban Federation of Women president Vilma Esp?n began to speak out against anti-gay attitudes. In 1997 all anti-gay references in Cuban laws were eliminated.


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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:47 AM
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12. Is it called "Bush, Gannon, Rove, featuring Lindsey Graham" ?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:10 PM
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16. Interesting point made by Democratic Rep. James McGovern
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 12:10 PM by Judi Lynn
~snip~
McGovern has also taken five trips to Cuba paid for by the Washington Office on Latin America and the Hemingway Foundation.

He said he is working to improve relations with Cuba and is helping to preserve Ernest Hemingway's home and writings in Cuba.

McGovern said many taxpayers disagree with his work in Cuba, so he does not want the government paying for his trips there.

He also said State Department officials try to limit access to places and people on official government trips.
(snip)
http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2006/06/07/city/city4.txt

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Interesting point he made on directing sponsorship on Cuba trips.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:04 PM
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18. Here's a columnists's take on Florida's new ban on academic trips to Cuba
From the Miami Herald no less..

Act's real aim is to halt research about Cuba
By Ana Menendez
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/ana_menendez/14737864.htm
Congratulations to state lawmakers for making it almost impossible for Florida scholars to travel to Cuba and four other ``terrorist states.''

Why stop there? Let's go after scholars wanting to travel to other unsavory states such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Ohio, where it recently took 1 ½ hours to execute an inmate who could be heard moaning and making guttural noises as he died.

Only problem is that Saudi Arabia, home to 15 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, is a friend. Pakistan, despite an appalling human-rights record, is an ally. And Afghanistan may be on its way to becoming the world's largest narco-state, but it's our narco-state.

And Ohio's exiled community has yet to become a force in local politics.

Gov. Jeb Bush signed the Travel to Terrorist States Act on Tuesday, proving once again that political leadership today has less to do with moral courage than it does with creating the illusion of it.

The bill was sponsored by Miami Republican David Rivera, who did a brilliant public relations job with it -- persuading people that it was an innocuous little bill that merely prevented state funds from being used for travel to Cuba.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER

In fact, state funds have never been used to finance travel to Cuba, said Lisandro Perez, past director of the Cuban Research Institute at Florida International University. The institute has never needed state money, Perez added, having received more than $1 million from private foundations since 1991.

But Rivera should know that. That's why, while publicly crowing about ''tax payer money,'' Rivera worded his bill to outlaw the use of private foundation money as well.

So the Travel to Terrorist States Act is not really aimed at making sure taxpayers don't fund travel to Havana, since that is not happening anyway. It's also more than harmless pandering to that ever-dwindling segment of the exile community that models its political strategy on the ostrich.

In wording, timing and effect, the bill seems aimed at shutting down FIU's Cuban Research Institute, whose activities depend on private grant money. Its passage represents a serious interference with academic freedom that should trouble those Florida residents who fled just this kind of demagoguery.

Luckily we still live in an open society, and the bill will not avoid legal scrutiny.

''A challenge in the courts is inevitable,'' said Howard Simon, the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

THE POLITICALLY SKILLED

The depressing thing is that such a seriously flawed bill could ever pass. Its unanimous support is an example of how easy it has become to play the Cuba card and how terrified lawmakers are of seeming soft on Castro.

Rivera, who once tried to deny Medicaid to anyone traveling to Cuba, is not the only politician skilled at using people's hopes and fears to shore up his power base. Take School Board member Frank Bolaños, who made a big fuss about the need to ban a children's picture book on Cuba right before announcing a run for state office.

The Travel to Terrorist States Act is an assault on the pursuit of knowledge that is a vital part of any thriving democracy. Far from striking a blow against oppression, the bill would create the sort of intellectually stunted environment it seeks to condemn.

A healthy society allows access to even those ideas it deems threatening or offensive, whether they're found in Cuba, Saudi Arabia or the Southern Ohio Correctional Institution. In an increasingly complex world, the cause of freedom is served by more understanding, not less.

''I think there's very little to be gained in a setting where you have a totalitarian dictatorship that controls all sources of information and determines what kind of research can be conducted in those regimes,'' Rivera told me Friday.

On that point we both agree.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:39 PM
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19. Great article. What a surprise seeing someone stand up publicly
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 05:43 PM by Judi Lynn
against this creep.

By the way, Rivera's goal was to strip more than Medicaid from Cubans returning to Cuba for short visits:
Also from the Miami Herald...

~snip~
A Miami Republican who prodded President Bush to get tougher on Fidel Castro is one-upping the president: He's proposing to strip food stamps and health insurance from those who travel to the island.

Dubbed the "Travel and Commerce with Terrorist Nations Act," a bill proposed by State Rep. David Rivera, R-Miami, would punish those who travel -- even legally -- to Cuba by cutting off access to Medicaid, food stamps and housing assistance for a year.

Rivera said the legislation is aimed at stopping recent arrivals who come to the United States, apply for benefits and then travel back to visit Cuba.

Though such travel is legal, Rivera argues that the money spent on the island only helps prop up Cuban leader Castro.

"It's an issue of gratitude," Rivera said at a news conference Tuesday. "People are sick and tired of people living here, taking advantage of taxpayer generosity and then providing financial support to the Castro regime by traveling back to the island."

Under the bill, anyone who has lived in Florida for less than five years and travels to any country the U.S. Department of State lists as a sponsor of terrorism would be ineligible for state services for at least a year.
(snip)
http://www.cubacentral.com/todaysnewsdetail.cfm?ID=501



What a thug.


How many people have really known Cuban people are given these awards when they arrive on dry land to claim them here? What WOULD our situation be if we offered them to the same people who died by the hundreds every year trying to get here, the Haitians, in the water during their 700-900 mile trip, and Mexicans and other Latin Americans coming across the desert, the river, the mountains, etc., etc. We'd have THOUSANDS dying annually to reach this country, instead.

On edit:

"Politically skilled" is a perfect choice in describing someone as devious as this guy is, in his ability to strip PRIVATE FUNDING away from Americans going to Cuba for research, etc. That's an area which should be strictly NONE OF HIS GODDAMNED BUSINESS.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:34 PM
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21. As I've said, Castro is the PRIMARY opponent in Fla politics for Ds and Rs
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 06:37 PM by Mika
Without Castro just who would the Cuban-American fanatics, as well as most all Florida politicians, run against?

Getting rid of the Castro brothers is the last thing they want.

Almost every form of saber rattling the US commits-to only rallies the Cuban people behind their system and leadership.

That is the intent.

--

No Castro = no anti Castro platform
No embargo = no pro Cuba trade campaign contributions
Aforementioned political motives = status quo
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:45 PM
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22. I've heard it described as a "hate industry" there. What WOULD they do
without Fidel Castro to rave on about? They're going to find out someday.

They'll have to be retrained, as they have nothing else in their lives to sustain them. I can't imagine what the three Cuban national Congresspeople are going to do: their identity is totally absorbed in anti-Castroism. The Democrat, Robert Menendez, in New Jersey, however, does have other accomplishments in his record: he's seen as a general, all-around politician who isn't a "professional Cuban "exile.""

As for the Florida state politicians, they will be hopelessly lost.

I've heard Cuba has already thought out its own plan for Cuba after Castro passes, and won't be needing any help from South Florida, nor from Bush's plan for Cuba.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:21 PM
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23. Judi, I think you'll enjoy this article
As Castro nears 80, a Scot who lived through his revolution asks what’s in store for Cuba after Fidel
http://www.sundayherald.com/56011

:hi:

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:28 PM
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25. Omigosh! It's an EXCELLENT article, Mika. I just looked in for a moment,
have read it almost halfway through, have filed it away for future reference, and have to return later tonight to finish reading it.

I have NEVER heard of someone this tough:
When undergoing surgery for a broken knee and shoulder, he refused a general anaesthetic, ostensibly because he needed to attend to the affairs of state, more probably because he wanted to keep a wary eye on the surgeon.
That would be a nightmare for most people!

Thanks again. Will check back later.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:43 AM
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28. From a Cuban-American no less
I've met Ana. She's really cool. She tells me she gets loads of calls from Cuban Americans thanking her for writing about what they feel, but are afraid to say.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:39 AM
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27. Directly across "el Capitolio"
Near the Parque Central in Habana Vieja, there is a corner bar, which is not a bar in the traditional sense where you walk in and sit down, but a walk-up counter that only sells beer and sandwiches.

One evening after the sun had just gone down, after I had trekked throughout the city all day taking photos, I was ready for a nice cold one. So I walked up and ordered a beer, took a few chugs, then realized that this was a gay bar. It was very obvious. It could have been in South Beach, except there was no neon.

So now I am intrigued (and no, I'm not gay). I was just curious as to how the cops deal with such open homosexuality. There were some men holding hands and getting real comfortable with each other the way gay men do when they're in such a place. Walking up and hugging each other and greeting each other with kisses. And, of course, they're all dressed pretty gay.

Now I know that sounds stereotypical, but I grew up in Miami and spent a good portion of my time on South Beach while I was in college. Gay men have a penchant for tighter clothes. And they like accessories.

So I finish my beer and order another one, figuring I could catch a quick buzz before moving on. The bartender is obviously gay too. But now he is looking concerned for me because, after flirtingly trying to catch my eye a few times after selling me the first beer, he realizes I'm not gay. So he asks me if I am aware that this is a gay bar.

I said yes, I am fully aware. And no, I'm not gay. I hope it's all-right if I drink here. He said, of course it's all-right.

So I start asking him about being gay in Cuba because I had noticed on previous nights that gay men tend to get stopped by police and asked for their papers more than those men who are not so obviously gay.

He tells me it has loosened up tremendously over the last few years. He mentioned that soap opera. That was a big breakthrough for Cuban society, he said. I said that's good to hear.

He asks me if I have any gay friends. I tell him I do, that I like creative people. And gay men tend to be creative. He compliments me on my open mind.

I ask him if he can recommend a good bar with good music that is not too expensive and where I can meet single women. He draws a map for me to a place about a half-mile away. Then offered to walk me there. All I have to do is wait 30 minutes until he gets off, he tells me.

Thanks, but no thanks, I said, and was on my way. That place he recommended turned out to be everything he said but better. I went back the following night. To the place he recommended. Not the gay bar.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 04:11 AM
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30. RagingInMiami, you've done all the Cuba-watching DU'ers a real FAVOR.
You've posted the very first eye-witness report on something posters of previous years would have claimed isn't even allowed to exist. WoooooHOOOOOOOOO. Now THIS is progress for DU! We've heard a first person account which IS honest.

We've had a few posters stopping by who wrote things people had to call them on as absolute crap. They apparently didn't think there is anyone here who has ever been here, and they could get by with saying truly stupid things for dramatic effect, like the poster who claimed open sewers run down the streets. We thought she'd never shut up. Sheesh.

Your writing skills are considerable. This account you just shared was just what the doctor ordered. You've delivered a ton of new information with the absolute ring of truth. So glad you took that trip.

In case there's any DU'er reading LBN who didn't see your great thread, I'm reccommending it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1378921&mesg_id=1378921

RagingInMiami's commentary and photos of his very recent trip to Havana! :woohoo:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 12:15 PM
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32. Thanks, Judi
That was one of the main reasons I went to Cuba, to see it with my own eyes.

I've been subjected to the Cuban right-wing view of it all my life, which mostly comes from the Cubans who have not set foot on the island since the early 1960s.

Most of the newer arrivals from Cuba who live in Miami are not so militant about their views of Cuba.

In Cuba, I've met Cubans who would never think of leaving the island. In fact, the guy who owned the place I was staying at has family in Miami (a cousin who lives four blocks from me as I discovered when he gave me a postcard to give to her)had visited Miami, New York and Denver and said he prefers Havana.

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