Flier Blasted on Drawing of Jewish Opponent (unfucking believable....

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Senate-Campaign-Flier.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

Flier Blasted on Drawing of Jewish Opponent

June 9, 2006
Flier Blasted on Drawing of Jewish Opponent
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 4:10 p.m. ET

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Senate candidate James H. Webb, President Reagan's former Navy secretary, was criticized by his Jewish opponent Friday over a campaign flier that depicted the opponent with a hooked nose and cash spilling from his pockets.

The flier was intended for distribution among labor groups. It was titled ''Miller the Job Killer,'' referring to Webb's opponent for the Democratic nomination in Tuesday's primary, businessman Harris Miller.

The flier, drawn in comic-book cartoon style, depicts Miller with a grotesquely hooked nose and cash overflowing from his suit pockets as he orders an underling to find ways to export U.S. jobs overseas. The flier refers to Miller as the ''anti-Christ of outsourcing.''

..more at link

thanks

:) :)

From reading the comments downthread, it seems
like putting it here near the top might be useful.

OKNancy covered it above :)

wants to go 'home'--back to the Dem party.

Dem principles. He was a good repuke stooge.

but has just been disgusted with what has transpired since then.

It must be amateur hour over at his campaign if fliers like this are being distributed.

Disgusting.

... But given Kerry's infamous anti-war activities ... Kerry deserves condemnation for his activities as the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War ... http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-02-18-veterans-edit_x.htm

Webb's another Zell

That says something--it says he's better than the job-outsourcing fatcat lobbyist he's running against...

... and I'm glad I don't vote in that election.

But frankly, I think Kerry's endorsement, after Webb's putrid comments about him in 04, may shed some light on why Kerry campaign didn't win a crushing victory ...

Webb is a Democrat? *snort*

The fact that nine Democratic senators--not just Kerry--prefer Webb to Allen, and are willing to say so, this early in the contest, is telling.

Allen needs to be gone, and if it takes a candidate that isn't ideologically pure to appeal to the VA voters, so be it. It's a practical choice. It's a good contest to win, and with Webb in the race as the primary victor, the DNC will roll the dice, and force the RNC to have to pony up a load of dough in a state that should have been "safe."

And the lobbyist Miller is worse in many respects; and is trying to buy himself some name recognition while glossing over the fact that he's in bed with corporations who want cheap goods and cheap foreign labor. Miller CANNOT win. Webb has a shot.

but serious apologies and firings would have to take place over such anti-semetic crap on a campaign flyer if I was ever going to support this joker. The "anti-Christ of foreign labor"? Excuse me while I pick up my jaw from the floor.

I just saw the flyer

:blush:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2330433&mesg_id=2330761

Using the phrase "The anti-Christ of jobs" or whatever deserves a slap (AFL-CIO term or not, there's no way it was meant in the 666 fundamentalist sense rather than as code for "not Christan"). But the picture and concept aren't anti-Semitic, IMO.

Because Jews don't vote for Republicans.

Well... 86% of Jews don't vote Republican.

Just because there's a (D) behind a candidates name doesn't mean that they will behave in any way like a (D); it's a means towards an end.

"Webb said the flier was not intended to disparage Miller's religion or heritage and apologized if it was perceived that way.

''I would not in any way look at that and say that it was anti-Semitic. Harris is the one who's played the race card in this campaign by distorting my views on affirmative action,'' said Webb, a Republican-turned-Democrat and best-selling author."

Let's see. . . hooked nose. . . calling opponent the anti-Christ . . . money spilling out of pockets. . .there's no room for misperception there. Webb stands revealed for all to see - hope the unions don't buy into Webb's nouveaux Dem candidacy.

Asshole

It could well be that Miller, lobbyist extraordinaire, friend of outsourcing jobs and importing cheap, foreign labor, is tossing whatever he can at Webb, because Webb actually has a shot at winning. See post 28 for a few links. I'm not gonna condemn Webb until I see the offending flyer.

And I don't especially like Webb, but he CAN beat Allen. Miller doesn't have a prayer.

Burns from the Simpsons....who has a hook nose, and is greedy. So now every picture of a greedy guy with a hook nose is suppose to be jewish? I think the PC police are reaching on this one. I think Miller is anxious to play "victim", fast becoming a republican trait.

The Simpson caricature, if as you describe it (cause I haven't seen it), simply builds on the caricatures used by Hitler - and yes, there is a longer history than that - check out the Merchant of Venice (Shakespeare, 1594), which according to The Yale Shakespeare, drew on even earlier plays depicting Jews as avaricious. I can't educate you on a blog about history and literature, but the information is out there supporting no other reading of this campaign attack than anti-semitism.

He is made out to be an elitist old money WASP I think.

I wish I could actually see the flier. All we have is this guy's accusations and description of the flier....which sounds like a drawing of Mr. Burns - totally un-anti-semitic.

Matt Groening (the creator) is about as liberal as one can be in today's America and still get a hearing. In no way could he be construed to be anti-semitic. Quite the reverse, given his Krusty the Clown character, in my opinion.

I saw Miller on a Tweety debate, and frankly, HE SUCKED. Webb actually was calm and collected (he can get wound up) and he clearly won.

Now read THIS--the guy IS a JOB KILLER: http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/3/191649/5918


Harris Miller was coined the "Anti-Christ of Outsourcing" by the AFL-CIO because of his work as an industry lobbyist and president of the ITAA, the political arm of the world's largest technology companies. While a lobbyist, Miller testified in front of Congress that Americans did not have the skills needed to fill technology jobs, and requested an increase in the H-1b visa cap, which allows foreign guest workers to work up to six years in the United States.

The H-1b visa program enables companies to replace American workers with foreign guest workers who are paid on average $13,000 a year less than their American counterparts, and also prevents the guest workers from changing jobs if they are mistreated by their employers. This visa program has become an indentured servant program designed as a labor subsidy for greedy corporations. When IT professionals and pro-immigrant groups asked for Congress to fix the program, Harris Miller opposed us.

In 2001, American software professionals lost 139,000 jobs while the government approved 110,713 H-1b visas in computer occupations. While Americans IT workers were losing jobs and being permanently replaced, Harris Miller was a busy bee working hard to prevent the H-1b visa cap from falling back to historical levels.

In addition to supporting a modern day form of indentured servitude, Miller fought to make outsourcing American jobs even more lucrative for his corporate masters. In his misguided logic, Miller believes that allowing American jobs to be outsourced will create more jobs in the United States. Since the year 2000 the Department of Labor has reduced ten-year job growth projections in Information Technology by over one million jobs. So much for the economic theories of Harris Miller. Any way you look at it, Harris Miller is a job killer.

The Programmers Guild opposes Harris Miller and urges voters to support Jim Webb in the Democratic primaries on June 13th. Jim Webb has promised to be a champion of American workers and will oppose the outsourcing of American jobs.

Roy Lawson

Programmers Guild

And that ain't a one-off...this guy LOVES cheap foreign labor:
http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2852

There are a few links to it provided.

I think the intention here is plain.

it was Ronnie Reagan....now I'm leaning toward Dubya.

"anti-Christ."

If anything, it's pandering to fundies, but I don't think there's a lot of anti-Jewish fervor in Virginia.

The point there, I believe, is to bring religion into the ring. As for the drawing, it was borderline, in my opinion.

There's nothing "now" about it; the image of a (usually fat) man with a hook-nose and cash flowing out of every pocket has a long history in anti-Jewish discourse. Even if it was an unconscious echoing of those caricatures, it is still troubling to think that someone would expect to gain political traction with it.

Tucker

I remember documentaries and such that showed the propaganda throughout the ages that has been used to demonize Jews.

This is so shameful. Truly. Argue issues or go home but nevermind the attacks worthy of the gutter.

Julie

issue with the candidate's position on a particular issue without resorting to this type of disgusting stereotype.

It's also code for "Hey everybody. Here's this Jewish guy running for Senate." I'm not in Virginia but I don't know how widely known it is there that he is Jewish.

Webb's not disavowing this categorically is disgusting.

notwithstanding the underlying allegation about Harris Miller and outsourcing. Like I said, criticize the candidate's past activities and issue positions; don't add ugly stereotypes.

Who made this a news story? Miller did. Where's the flyer, so we can judge for ourselves? Where are all the anti-discrimination/defamation types, waving the thing in outrage?? We're gonna take the word of a guy who has a tough opponent and thought that he could cruise to a primary victory (followed by a defeat in NOV)? Forgive me if I smell a rat.

Check his record. He thought he could buy the nomination. He's a fatcat lobbyist, who wants to outsource jobs and import cheap labor. He thinks Iraq is a "business problem." http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=5010943&nav=23ii

Nine senators have supported Webb, but Miller has DEEP pockets--after all, he is a lobbyist:

The formulation is starting to become routine for the Miller campaign, as Schumer becomes the ninth Democratic senator to endorse Webb. Last week, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) -- the 2004 presidential nominee -- endorsed Webb, and by yesterday voters in Northern Virginia were receiving recorded messages from him urging support for Webb.....The thing is, they want to win, and they know Harris Miller won't come close," Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd said. "They serve with George Allen in the Senate, and they know what it takes to run against him."

At the last reporting period, Miller had about twice as much money on hand as Webb, who has not been able to afford television or radio spots.

West said that with a recent contribution, Miller has now put about $725,000 of his money into the campaign, more than the total the Webb campaign has raised. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/07/AR2006060702341.html

an issue. What's your point? Webb's campaign apparently did this, or endorsed it; they wouldn't be the ones complaining.

As I said, you can take issue with the candidate's history and positions -- that's legitimate -- but this type of over-the-top stereotype should not occur.

His record is also important, but who benefits from a Webb smear? The aggrieved party, for starters, and the GOP as well.

We hear a report from the AP, which, as we have learned, isn't always an ENTIRELY ACCURATE outfit. We can't see the flyer, to judge with our own eyes. We have to rely on some AP wire report that describes it to us--I mean, how hard is it to get ahold of the thing and let us see for ourselves? Why not reproduce it, or a portion of it? Don't they have a copy? If they don't, how do they know what it looks like?

Remember this gem from just a week ago, generated by AP and FLACKED by the NYT and half the papers in the country????

http://mediamatters.org/items/200606020002

and http://mediamatters.org/items/200605310008 for more on it:
In recent days, Media Matters for America noted serious flaws in a May 29 article by Associated Press staff writer John Solomon, which suggested that Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (NV) had acted improperly by attending Las Vegas boxing matches as the guest of the Nevada Athletic Commission (NAC) "while that state agency was trying to influence him on federal regulation of boxing." Further, in a June 1 follow-up article, Solomon ignored the countervailing evidence that had surfaced since the publication of the original article and continued to distort the facts surrounding the story, falsely suggesting that the Nevada lawmaker had "abruptly reversed course" and abandoned his prior defense of these actions when, in fact, Reid had done no such thing.

And it's not the first time AP has screwed up or done sloppy work: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/16/125125/263

{i] There was an erroneous AP story that many of you may have seen online and in your newspapers this morning that reads: "Feingold gives up Patriot Act effort." Nothing could be further from the truth....

And get a load of this, it looks like it was written in the editorial board of the Moonie Times: http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/3/201142/8749

You have to ask yourself, cui bono, here? The GOP DREAM CONTEST is Miller v. Allen. The GOP NIGHTMARE CONTEST is Webb v. Allen. Webb has denied any intent, yet, without seeing the thing (which has been described to us, via an uninspiring, faltering, but wealthy, Congressionally connected lobbyist-candidate making it an issue, via a recently questionable news outlet) you're convicting the guy.

Sorry, given AP's track record of late, I think I'd prefer to use my own judgment, and not rely on theirs. After that Reid smear, they're not entirely trustworthy.


ON EDIT=there's a link to the flyer downthread. The cartoon LOOKS LIKE MILLER. Maybe he sees a different face when he looks in the mirror....!!!

As far as I'm concerned, to hell with the flier. Illustrations can be easily misinterpreted, but they have been a powerful form of communication since Tammany Hall. If you saw the campaign literature for Harris Miller, you might well be appalled by him as well. I was, and still am.

I live in Virginia, so I have a dog in this fight. (no dogs were injured in the writing of this post). I have been on the fence with regard to who I will vote for this Tuesday in the primary, but I'm now decidedly leaning toward Webb. He may not be a mirror image of myself, but he's a vast improvement over Allen. My initial impression of Miller was ambiguous. He has no track record with regard to public office or civic duty. He seems to want to start at the top, and the only achievement he lists on his campaign material is the IT lobbyist group he headed. Being in IT, and in Virginia, that's not winning my vote.

His first campaign material focused exclusively on Bush, not Allen. As if he were running against the former, not the later. There's plenty about Allen to attack and he cam be shown to be w's goiter as far as support for the administration is concerned. So ignoring Allen seemed stupid to me. Then he goes after Webb in the last, oh I don't know, 12 mailings I received. He has yet to say anything useful and won't go after Allen. I think he's a Washington insider, and a fool.

I have serious reservations about Webb, but he can beat Allen here in Virginia, and if he can help erode support for the GOP, I'm all for it. I'm a big tent kind of person anyways. I don't look for ideological purity, just good common sense. Zell Miller, he ain't.

Of the Richmond Times Dispatch. And guess what? The cartoon looks just like Miller. If this is his (Miller's) idea of a campaign, he doesn't deserve the Democratic nomination for Senator. This just gives me one more reason to vote for Webb, dispite my resurvations.

Two things are needed to evaluate this - a photo of Miller (say from his website) and a picture of how he was carriturized. The WP has endorsed Miller. I was horrified by the article until I saw both - this is not a fair charge. His nose is NOT exaggerated.

I am Jewish and strongly dislike Webb for his comments on Kerry in 2004. ( I know Kerry has endorsed him and is strongly supporting him because he feels that is our best chance of winning, but that doesn't make me think better of Webb.)

The full flyer is downthread.

without those pictures - which prove the charge stupid - is swiftboating Webb. (They are ignoring easily available information while making inflamatory charges.) That Miller did this makes me very very happy that I am Karynnj not Karynva. As a Jew, I hate it when the charge of anti-semitism is used unfairly (as it was here) because it weakens the power of the charge when it is real.

i thought this would help, posted by a jewish guy, mind you:

This doesn't surprise me at all. I am sure it will 'dusted off' as a 'misconception' and/or Jews being 'oversensitive.'

Did you see the guy who put out the cartoon saying the target of the attack was the one playing the "race card"?

Tucker

'Cuz I know I am not. We have seen it before, and we will continue to see it.

It's a pretty accurate picture of Harris Miller.

I am Jewish - Miller either avoids mirrors or is making an issue where one doesn't exist. Carricatures exaggerate - Kerry's face is not as long as 25% or more of his 6' 4", Bush's ears are not the size of Dumbos. But in this case, Miller's nose is as prominent as they made it - there is no way to have a recognizable picture without it.

http://www.democracyinaction.com/dia/organizationsCOM/miller2006/content.jsp?content_KEY=1389

I strongly dislike Webb, but this is unfair.

Here's info about him from Wikipedia:
(Am on the way out the door to see Prairie Home Companion - look up the link yourownself!)
Stated goals as senator
Alternative energy investment is proposed by Miller. He favors incentives for development and use of renewable energy sources, such as wind, solar, and biomass. He would increase CAFE standards for fuel economy of cars, trucks, and SUVs. He supports increased research and development expenditure for hybrid, hydrogen, and fuel cell vehicles. <2><3>

Economically, he favors an increase in the minimum wage. He opposes extending the Bush tax cuts. He would place a windfall profits tax on the recent record-setting revenues of the US oil industry, while providing incentives and extending tax breaks on alternative energy, such as the Renewable Energy Production Tax Credit (PTC). He supports fiscal responsibility through "PAYGO" rules, meaning that if Congress approves new tax cuts or spending increases, they find a way to pay for them, paying as they go. <4><5>

Among his national security goals is doubled funding of the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program for the destruction of nuclear warheads and materials, which he would geographically broaden beyond its past work in the former Soviet union. On Iraq, he criticizes Pres. Bush and Sen. Allen for "misleading us into a war that is costing hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American lives." He wants to specifically link benchmarks in autonomous Iraqi security to US troop withdrawal. He calls for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. <6>

and want too much (like a liveable wage) for their work. See post 28. Webb is no saint, but who needs guys who want to import more cheap labor when people are barely making it in the IT industry now as it is?

From the second link I provided:

As you may know, Harris Miller (D,VA) is running for US Senate. For the past 11 years, Mr. Miller was president of the Information Technology Association of America, Inc., the major congressional lobbying arm of over 350 IT companies, including Microsoft....Harris Miller has repeatedly appeared before Congress to beg for increases in temporary work visas for cheap foreign labor despite the loss of over a half million IT jobs since 2000 attibutable to the DOT.COM and telecom failures, temporary work visa abuse, and offshore outsourcing of American jobs.

time the employer is done dealing with the Dept. of Labor and the INS. Off shoring is due to that. They go where they don't have to put up with the BS.

People with computer degrees "barely making it?" In what universe? Are they lined up to get those jobs the Mexicans take? Didn't think so.

The H-1B visa program allows American companies and universities to import foreign scientists, engineers and programmers. Unfortunately, it has no serious safeguards to protect American workers from being replaced and is abused to provide cheap foreign labor.

Moreover, H-1B workers continue to flood a terrible job market. During 2001 and 2002, 799,100 H-1B visas were issued and renewed despite a 6 percent national unemployment and 8 percent in Silicon Valley. The H-1B visa limits were set during more prosperous economic times but now can't be justified when so many highly trained Americans remain unemployed.

Congress needs to increase domestic worker safeguards, significantly reduce the number of H-1B visas issued, and crackdown on visa violations and fraud. http://www.h1b.info/

http://displacedtechies.com/visas/about_h1b.html

H-1B Dependent Companies
NOTE When Congress increased the H-1B visa cap to 195,000, they also included language intended to protect US citizens from companies who may use the visas to displace the domestic IT labor pool.
As you can see, the protection clause was weak and companies were able to easily abuse it because no one enforced the law.

Additionally, when the cap returned to the original level of 65,000, the so-called protective measures expired as well.

It should be noted that as things stand now, companies are not required to prove that they have not displaced an American worker when they hire someone using an H-1B visa. If anyone tells you any different, they either do not know the visa regulations or they are not telling you the truth.

Ask anyone who has been forced to fire their subordinates, and then train their replacement ahead of their own layoff, how they feel about Harris Miller's tactics. You'll likely find them working as a "manager" at a Starbuck's.

nt

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2255

This guy is Diebold all the way.

I guess we'll have to take the NYT's word that the thing is offensive. Not that THEY would ever deceive us about anything...!

It isn't bothering Chuck Schumer, apparently: http://www.webbforsenate.com/press/060706_dscc.php

I'll be honest, here. I don't think Jim Webb is an especially nice guy. He's a bit too far to the right for my tastes, plus, he's a real asshole when it comes to issues about who he thinks should serve in certain, or any military roles (gays, females, and so forth). That said, if I were a VA voter, I would hold my nose and vote for the sumbitch. Miller is too far to the left to win that state, and Webb CAN beat George Allen. Hell, he's got a Navy Cross...what does Allen have? Memories of college years, with Confederate Battle Flags and nooses??

Webb can clean up around the Tidewater area, and he'll take the Pentagon and environs crowd up north, too. And come November, the more liberal Democrats will pull the lever to get rid of Allen.

If he gets the primary win, the GOP is gonna have to spend a small fortune and cheat like hell to keep Allen in the saddle. The margins might be so great that cheating will be difficult, if Webb doesn't screw up and shoot off his mouth. He's competitive...

doesn't appear to be so bad, otherwise.
It's very disappointing for this to happen, as Miller appears to be a DLC Dreamboat, but there is no excuse. Webb screwed up big time whether it was intentional or not. ...as said on the Daily Show, we're still shooting ourselves in the foot. :(

From MyDD
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/3/191649/5918

"Programmers Guild: Harris Miller is a "Job Killer"

Harris Miller was coined the "Anti-Christ of Outsourcing" by the AFL-CIO because of his work as an industry lobbyist and president of the ITAA, the political arm of the world's largest technology companies. While a lobbyist, Miller testified in front of Congress that Americans did not have the skills needed to fill technology jobs, and requested an increase in the H-1b visa cap, which allows foreign guest workers to work up to six years in the United States.


The H-1b visa program enables companies to replace American workers with foreign guest workers who are paid on average $13,000 a year less than their American counterparts, and also prevents the guest workers from changing jobs if they are mistreated by their employers. This visa program has become an indentured servant program designed as a labor subsidy for greedy corporations. When IT professionals and pro-immigrant groups asked for Congress to fix the program, Harris Miller opposed us.


In 2001, American software professionals lost 139,000 jobs while the government approved 110,713 H-1b visas in computer occupations. While Americans IT workers were losing jobs and being permanently replaced, Harris Miller was a busy bee working hard to prevent the H-1b visa cap from falling back to historical levels.


In addition to supporting a modern day form of indentured servitude, Miller fought to make outsourcing American jobs even more lucrative for his corporate masters. In his misguided logic, Miller believes that allowing American jobs to be outsourced will create more jobs in the United States. Since the year 2000 the Department of Labor has reduced ten-year job growth projections in Information Technology by over one million jobs. So much for the economic theories of Harris Miller. Any way you look at it, Harris Miller is a job killer.

<snip>

Note the "Anti-Christ" reference originates from the AFL-CIO, *not* Webb.

*edit for grammar

I thought that was the role of the anti-Christ. It seems like a poor choice of wording on that basis alone.

As described, the flier sounds like its close too, and possibly over the line. WHat makes this a particular problem is that among those endorsing Webb are Schumer and Kerry. They will get a lot of flack unless they can convincingly make the case that Miller and his supporters are over-reacting.

And the complaint is coming from one guy, Miller himself.

Miller is a lobbyist who likes cheap labor insourced, and jobs outsourced. And, he's a fucking idiot re: Iraq, too: http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=5010943&nav=23ii

RICHMOND, Va. Democratic Senate candidate Harris Miller says he sees America's bloody entanglement in Iraq as a business problem....Miller, a businessman and former Internet industry lobbyist, said it's as simple as meeting with Iraqi leaders and outlining "objectives" for shifting Iraq's security off American troops and onto Iraq's military.

Webb, a decorated Marine Vietnam veteran, was incredulous, calling the problem far too complex for the type of boardroom resolution Miller sees.

Webb said America blundered into two of its worst military quagmires under businessmen defense secretaries -- Robert McNamara in Vietnam and Donald Rumsfeld in Iraq.
................

Tell the families of the dead that their kids died for a "business problem." What a nitwit.

Moreover, it would be interesting to find out if it's an actual caricature of the man himself, instead of a generic racist stereotypical image.

But it still SOUNDS BAD

*edit: Again, grammar. Apologies, I'm dyslexic and aphasic, and for me to get anything coherent out, sometimes, is a Sisyphean task :blush:

:shrug:

Judging by the photo provided next to him, especially when you consider his record as an outsourcing lobbyist.

It looks like the cartoonist actually USED the picture on the left to create the work.

Jews allowed pictures like that to circulate...




Millions were made into soap. :cry:

Come on!!!!!

I don't see it in this image. The republican in question may be a bastard for his political views but labelling someone as anti-Semitic is an order of magnitude worse an accusation.

Who will step up? Because after some of the responses in this thread, there should be some willing to step forward and explain their condemning comments with the evidence before them.

PB

...that the person who had posted the depiction was a rethuglican. Thank you for the clarification!

PB

Miller.

Miller's campaign is trying to smear Webb with this crap.

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/files/miller_flyer_color.pdf

Here's what Miller looks like:

oh well, gotta love politics.

Because it's a cartoonish depiction of him. It's not even a caricature, where features are exaggerated.

PB

Harris Miller is a scumbag, who destroy American jobs, promotes electronic voting machines, and now resorts to bogus charges of anti-semitism.

(Edit: Make that dyslexic, aphasic, and slooowwww..... but I'll leave the post up for the other flier)

All I found so far was



Don't you just love the misogyny?? Yeesh!
This Miller guy sounds like a real creep.

LOOK AT THE DATE OF THE QUOTE. You'd be hard put to find uniformed and senior civilian leadership who didn't feel the same way back in '79. And if he has to go that far back to slime the guy, well, that, in and of itself, is telling.

Webb is no prince charming, but I think he's better than a Microsoft-embedded lobbyist who wants to outsource jobs and insource cheap labor, and who thinks Iraq is a "business problem."

If Miller gets the nod, Allen goes back to the Senate.

yellow journalism. Big surprise. :sarcasm:

nt

The link and headmast is The New York Times

or they don't have a voice in what AP stories are published in their paper?

Correction: Masthead :blush:

here....but then I'm not jewish so maybe I'm just not sensitive to that stuff. "Let them eat cake" is not exactly a anti-semitic phrase.

<http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/files/miller_flyer_color.pdf>

"Jew-y."

But who's to say if I'd have thought it was especially hurtful if nobody had said anything.

I do agree that using the term "Anti-Christ" is just nasty in any kind of campaign lit. I couldn't fathom doing that myself.

like a WASP?

This didn't set off my spidey-sense for this stuff, which is pretty sensitive.

As I mentioned above, the "Anti-Christ" reference originates from the AFL-CIO, not Webb.
Additionally, after googling 'Miller job killer', it now appears to be a meme pretty well glued to Miller from all different sources; not just Webb or the AFL-CIO (albeit they started it). Example:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1170/2662/1600/HARRIS-jobkiller<1>.0.gif

er, let's try this one:

http://modernpatriot.blogspot.com/2006/04/harris-miller-job-killer.html

Personally I think it's a bit too much myself -- but then if I (and thousands of my neighbors/associates) had my job outsourced by this guy for base profit$ for himself and a few corporations, I may be tempted to use it too...

http://www.witsa.org/Taipei%202000%20for%20web/Taipei%202000%20Pictures/WITSA%20Awards,%20NII%20Taiwan%20-Dr.%20Shih-Chien%20Yang-,%20Harris%20Miller.jpg

Either that, or the photo in post 60, upthread.

And it was the AFL-CIO who originated that Anti-Christ term, not Webb.

Is there a link for that? I was looking for where the term originated, but it doesn't seem to come directly from the AFL-CIO. They've called him names, but the whole Antichrist thing seems to come from Webb. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGIC%2CGGIC%3A2005-09%2CGGIC%3Aen&q=%22Antichrist+of+outsourcing%22+afl-cio&btnG=Search

why are the only quotes coming from Webb? If you google "anti-christ of outsourcing", almost every reference comes from Webb himself or a blogger. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGIC%2CGGIC%3A2005-09%2CGGIC%3Aen&q=%22Antichrist+of+outsourcing%22&btnG=Search Why aren't there any direct references from the AFL-CIO? The original source seems to be an Information Week article that called Miller "the Antichrist if you’re an unemployed IT worker," & that got twisted and re-assigned to the AFL-CIO. That gives it a lot more weight then misquoting some random IT article. IMO, it seems like a nice way for Webb to distance himself from the term while repeating it often. (in ads, debates, & TV interviews). It's classic - like Fox saying "some people say" before making up some wild allegation. Miller might be really bad on outsourcing, but Webb's tactics here seem a little shady to me.

Ex. - "But the conversation quickly turned nasty, with Miller questioning Webb's partisan "values" and Webb noting that Miller had been called by some people "the antichrist of outsourcing."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051900799_pf.html

Here: http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175802293

And many of the net/blogger comments PREDATE the debate.

Here's a comment from May 12 at KOS: Even IT people who are skeptical of unions despise Harris Miller and think of him as the anti-Christ - a liar lobbyist who has repeatedly lied about worker shortages and alleged benefits of job outsourcing. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/5/11/224729/100/94#c94

Here's one, same place, from APRIL: Please look at his record. His is known in the IT field (my field) as Miller the Shiller, or the AntiChrist of IT. Look up the diaries here and check ITAA and ModernPatriot. Normally, I try to maintain even keel about this but I spent the day re-researching this for something else. Miller is as DINO as they come. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/4/13/195915/286/131#c131

The debate was 19 MAY. Obviously these posts predate the debate, and the term was applied to him by the IT community for his outsourcing of tech jobs and importation of cheap foreign labor.

And he didn't go with the "some people say" insinuation--his sentence was flat-out declarative: “You have been called the Antichrist of outsourcing,” Webb said. http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=104753&ran=117062 AP said he said "You've" as opposed to "You have." http://www.wvec.com/news/norfolk/stories/wvec_local_051906_miller-webb_debate.3c0c1.html

The WASHINGTON POST, which, FWIW, ENDORSED Miller, used the "some people" device.

Now, I had no idea that Miller was Jewish until this business hit the internet. I'm guessing Webb is some flavor of Christian (if he were a Jew the whole thing would be rather moot) but I don't know how much of a faithful follower he is. Antichrist can be viewed as a "Christian" term (and we are sensitized to it because of the nitwit in the White House), but it also has acquired a more secular meaning, to describe anyone who is a screaming evil asshole, or simply someone with whom the flinger of the invective disagrees. For example:

George Walker Bush is the ANTI-CHRIST http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
Ann Coulter as the ANTI-CHRIST http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/37840/ann_coulter_as_the_antichrist.html
David Hasselhoff??? http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/
Pat Robertson!!! http://www.lulu.com/content/210564
http://www.lulu.com/author/display_thumbnail.php?fCID=210564&fSize=detail_&1149926229
Madonna, then? http://www.celebrities.com/blog/?p=1231
Lance Armstrong: The Antichrist? http://www.sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2006/02/13/lance_armstrong_the_antichrist/recent_entries
A VEGETARIAN!!!!!!! http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/77.htm

I'm not saying that it wasn't a dumbass remark for Webb to make, but it's not like this guy didn't have the 'antichrist' name attached to him prior to the debate, by IT workers who likely had no idea what his religion is, probably wouldn't know him if they saw him, but understood the effects of his lobbying on their employment and promotion prospects.

What I DO find interesting, though, is that it took an awful long time for this issue to percolate to the surface. If it was such a dreadful blow to Miller at the time, why didn't he slap Webb about it at once? I'm thinking that some polling numbers have come in, and this is an effort to do a little GOP-style voter suppression. After all, Democrats don't like to be known as hateful bigots; it's not their style...

It's clearly not from the AFL-CIO. The original source for the Antichrist word appears to be that Information Week article & it seems to come from the IT field. I think Webb coined the phrase the "Antichrist of Outsourcing" cause he thought it was catchy & could be attributed (partially) to other people. But he broadened it to give it some working-class appeal. It is "some people say" - he used that exact phrase during an interview, and saying "you've been called.." also avoids attributing the remark. Politicians are called everything under the sun (especially on the Internet) - but it reaches another level when an opponent uses an inflamatory term like that. It's hard to imagine Kerry telling Bush "some people say you're the Antichrist" in a debate! I don't know if it's consciously anti-Semitic, but I honestly don't think the term would be used if Miller were a blond WASP. There's another factor here - Webb is running in Virginia, where Jerry Falwell's huge church and university is located. Va. is a evangelical/Falwell stronghold, and Falwell's publically said that the Antichrist is Jewish. I'd be curious to see Webb's religious background, too - if he's evangelical, it'd look a lot more insidious. Could be that this is a way of appealing to the fundies & the blue-collar workers all w/one catchy phrase. Looking at his bio, Webb's got a whole lot to offer, & I think it's sort of a shame that he's used this tactic. But whatever works, I guess.

Kerry wouldn't call Bush simply the Antichrist, but he might call him the Antichrist of fiscal conservatism...and it would fit, only that's not the way Kerry talks, so it wouldn't be normal. The "all politics is local" aspect is certainly a valid point, and the term might resonate more in Falwell country. But VA is NOT all of a piece--the bluer north is quite different from the fundie southern part of the state.

The term does clearly precede the debate, as I noted. The letter from the programmer's guild plainly ascribes the cite to the AFL-CIO, so they'd be the ones who would know the full sourcing of the comment in that regard.

I've met Jim Webb, and knew him back in the SECNAV days. People change, so who knows what he is like now. He wasn't the easiest guy to get along with, he held very 'traditional' ideas about military service (who serves, and who does what) but as I have said elsewhere, he wasn't alone in those attitudes at the time. Those of us who wanted to move forward and be more inclusive were in the distinct minority. On a good day, to put it mildly, he was acerbic. You'll never find his name listed in the rolls of "pussyfooters." In my experience, he tended to be VERY direct and sharp, and that's just the way he was.

He may well have leapt on the turn of phrase as an opportunity to rile the fundie nitwits, as you observed, or he may have just found it to be punchy and a term that would resonate with disaffected IT types who scatter the state and know Miller's rep well, and are already familiar with the expression. We'd have to crack open his heart and look in there to see where that was coming from.

My question remains, though, if this expression were such a grievous, offensive attack, why not call Webb out immediately, or shortly thereafter? The only reason I can think that he didn't so do is because Miller is FAMILIAR with the term as applied to him. His method of griping about it (which I do think coincided with falling poll numbers despite massive spending on media ads and mailers) reminded me of the brouhaha about Mary Cheney, openly gay, in a relationship, yet Lynne is OUTRAGED that the Democratic candidates even MENTION it. I don't know, the 'taking of offense' just does not seem SINCERE to me -- the complaining, flyer-waving press conference happened on 9 June, the debate happened on the 19th of May. That's a helluva lot of time to stew over something when your primary is the 13th, IMO. But if you want to suppress or incite the vote, the timing is just peachy.

Primaries are open to everyone in VA, so it wouldn't surprise me if a ton of GOP party faithful, as a direct result of this imbroglio, go out and vote for MILLER...because they know Allen can beat him handily.

There is speculation bandied about that Miller's real goal here to advance as the primary victor is name recognition to run for LT Governor in future. If he's up against Allen, he's not going to win a Senate seat, plain and simple.

"From MyDD
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/3/191649/5918


"Programmers Guild: Harris Miller is a "Job Killer"

Harris Miller was coined the "Anti-Christ of Outsourcing" by the AFL-CIO because of his work as an industry lobbyist and president of the ITAA, the political arm of the world's largest technology companies. While a lobbyist, Miller testified in front of Congress that Americans did not have the skills needed to fill technology jobs, and requested an increase in the H-1b visa cap, which allows foreign guest workers to work up to six years in the United States. <snip>

*emphasis mine

the AFL-CIO. Try googling "AFL-CIO" & "Anti-Christ of outsourcing" together - it gets nothing other than that Programmer's Guild letter. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGIC%2CGGIC%3A2005-09%2CGGIC%3Aen&q=%22AFL-CIO%22+%22Anti-christ+of+outsourcing%22&btnG=Search There's no quote directly from the AFL-CIO, or news articles, or AFL website hits. I'm not saying that posters are wrong, but that that source seems to be wrong. That letter is from an IT programmers group, which seems to be where most of the anger at Miller seems to come from. It was apparantly written this week, & urges support for Jim Webb. Not an unbiased source, for sure. I could say that Kerry called Hillary Clinton "the antichrist of NY", but unless there's an actual quote from Kerry, I could've just made that label up. Is this letter quoting the AFL-CIO, or Webb? I'm inclined to think it's the latter. Not that it matters that much who came up w/the phrase, but it doesn't seem to be the AFL. FWIW.

There's a footnote for "let them eat cake!" (Marie Antoinette), but nothing for "called the Anti-Christ of outsourcing." So, it seems like Webb is the one who made up that hysterical phrase. And bringing the religious overtones into this does make it seem vaguely anti-Semitic. Maybe it's open to interpretation - it is pretty mean, though.

Webb quoted THEM.

And get a load of THIS: http://gotv.blogspot.com/2006/05/nuclear-energy.html

But there's more you've left out. Harris Miller is a highly connected corporate lobbyist and Washington insider who has supported some of the most conservative Republicans in Congress and praised President Bush.

Harris supported John Ashcroft’s nomination. He gave $2000 to Spencer Abraham’s re-election campaign, the same Spencer Abraham who is now George Bush and Dick Cheney’s ENERGY secretary.

He contributed to the Campaigns of Republican Speaker of the House Denny Hastert, Arlen Specter, John Sununu and Billy Tauzin.

Abraham, Ashcroft, Hastert and Tauzin all voted to either adopt articles of impeachment or found President Clinton guilty in the impeachment trial (Senate roll call vote # 17, 2/12/99 106th congress, 1st session; Roll Call vote numbers 543-546, 105th congress, 2nd session).

Harris Miller on the Ashcroft Nomination:
"Ashcroft’s nomination is a win-win because he has impeccable legal credentials and a strong grasp of high-tech policy." (Harris Miller as quoted in Computer Reseller News 1/15/01)

Harris Miller on Spencer Abraham:
"I’m doing everything I can to get him re-elected," (Harris Miller, Orlando Business Journal 10/20/00)

Harris Miller's Republican Contributions:
www.opensecrets.org reports that from 1998 to 2004 Miller gave a total of $5500 to 6 federal GOP candidates.

Spencer Abraham: $ 2000 (8/10/1998)
Dennis Hastert: $1000 (5/19/1999)
Billy Tauzin : $500 (2/21/2002)
John Sununu: $ 500 (6/08/2002)
Adam Putnam: $500 (2/12/2004)
Arlen Specter: $1000 (6/27/2004 )

HARRIS MILLER ON BUSH AND THE TAX CUTS

Harris Miller has praised President Bush for his "leadership" on economic issues. Said Harris: "The new leader of the US is demonstrating his leadership of the new economy." (The Australian 4/3/2001)

We might not have to vote against making these tax cuts permanent if it weren’t for the lobbying of Mr. Miller. In 2001 Miller urged the congress to pass the disastrous Bush tax cuts. Said Harris: "We encourage the House to move swiftly to pass a tax cut, and the Senate to follow."
http://www.itaa.org/taxfinance/release.cfm?ID=62>

And recently when asked if he favored extending Bush’s tax cuts, Miller said: "Extending the tax cuts, yeah I love the idea. I think it’s a great idea."
*Compare this with Jim Webb’s recent comment: "I do not think tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the richest 1% of America are good in any context."

Harris Miller on E-voting

Harris Miller has worked to support the Diebold Corporation and to oppose voter verified paper trails: "We oppose the idea of a voter verified paper trail" (Harris Miller, CIO 7/30/04, http://www.cio.com.au/index.php/id;558873322;fp;4;fpid;21)

This guy is like NADER--bought and paid for by the GOP to supress the viable candidate. He'll probably make his money back from the corporate bastards a hundred fold if he can make it past the primary and "lose gracefully."
Every rock you turn over, this guy is under it, snuggled up to the corporate fatcats and the GOP.

That info you cited doesn't include the "Antichrist of outsourcing" term anywhere. So how does this show that the term originated from the AFL-CIO? Miller might be a totally evil outsourcer GOPer, I don't know. But I do think that Webb is the one who publicized the "antichrist of outsourcing" label & I haven't seen any direct quotes that show that it came from the AFL.

So here are my choices for the primary...

A job-killing former lobbyist,who is going to export everyone's job overseas....

Or a person who supported bush as recently as a couple years ago, and also supported the current repub senator.

I might as well just stay home from the primary. *sigh*
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Oh, but wait....suddenly after this primary, no matter which one wins, I'm supposed to vote in the general election for whichever one's selected?

Don't get me wrong...I despise Allen, but sheesh..Talk about a perfect way to increase voter apathy, or make people go third party...*sigh*

nt

No, and at this point, I don't really care. They've both lost my interest by sinking into the gutter with their constant mudslinging.

I'll hold my nose in November and vote for whichever one of them is put in front of me, but I think it's pitiful to tear each other apart. The repubs don't even have to lift a finger, we're doing it to ourselves.

They WANT to turn you off. They want you to be apathetic. It's called voter supression, and Rove is a master of it.

And keep in mind, "Democrat" Miller gave not inconsequential sums to GOP legislators in recent years: Webb has responded to Miller's attacks on his Democratic credentials by pointing out that Miller has contributed to the campaigns of a handful of Republican congressional candidates, including House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert. Miller made the contributions while serving as ITAA's president. http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/wb/xp-66620

"Why did you donate money to Dennis Hastert? I've never given money to a Republican in my life," Webb said.

Miller acknowledged giving several thousand dollars to Hastert and Spencer Abraham, a former U.S. senator who lost his reelection bid in 2000 and went on to serve as energy secretary during Bush's first term. He told reporters later that the board of directors of the Information Technology Association of America, where he was the chief lobbyist at the time, strongly urged him to contribute to Republican candidates.

"They said I had to be bipartisan in my giving," Miller said of his former employer. "Two or three, I can't remember, board members said to me on separate occasions, 'Harris, you were very visible supporting the Democratic candidates in the 2000 election. This is a bipartisan organization. We would suggest very strongly that you try to be more bipartisan in your personal giving.' "

Webb's campaign later pounced on those comments, saying it was an excuse for contributing to Republicans that only a former lobbyist could love. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051900799.html

I post something saying how negative campaigning sickens me, and I get a response with an attack ad?

Call me back when your candidate has something POSITIVE to say about himself, instead of just saying negative things about his opponent. Give me a reason to WANT to vote for him. Saying that Miller gave money to republicans does NOT make me want to vote for Webb. It just makes me want to avoid voting for Miller. and when the general election comes around, all of the negativity, mudslinging, and attacking that has been done to each of OUR candidates will still be in the minds of the voters. Primaries should focus on the POSITIVE, leave the negative garbage for the general election.

Save the negative campaigning for someone who really deserves it, like ALLEN. Instead, both of the democrats running will have their name dragged through the mud before the GOP even has to lift a finger. And they wonder why we have trouble competing in these elections.

there.

My point is that the GOP benefits from their contributor making it through to the general election. VA is a contested race, but only if Webb makes it through. Speculation is that Miller is positioning himself for a future run at LT Governor, and this campaign gives him more visibility. He will NOT win against Allen. Not enough Republicans will cross the line and vote for him.

My only goal is to put more Democrats in the Senate. Staying home or voting third party doesn't accomplish that goal.

If Miller could win in a general election, he'd be the guy to back, despite his shoddy record and corporate/GOP ties. I, like most pragmatists, will put ideological purity on the back burner for now. But he can't win. Webb, despite his own drawbacks, can swipe votes left and right from Allen--you can be sure that a large preponderance of active and retired Navy and Marine servicemembers voting in VA will pull the lever for him--and that's a good chunk of Republicans. He's a homeboy and well liked down in the southern part of the state, and he's got friends up in NORVA too.

Politics is ugly. Always has been. You'll get rid of ants on this earth before you get rid of negative campaigning...

I'm not saying we should be running a choir boy without an ounce of negativity in him. What I am saying is that democrats shouldn't be trying to tear down other democrats for their own personal gain, because it works against all democrats in the long run.

And as far as saying that Webb is the only one who has a chance because of a military record, I say POO to that. We were told the same thing two years ago when Kerry ran against Bush. It was all over this board that Kerry was the only guy who had any chance to unseat the chimpinator, because his stellar military record would put bush's chickenhawk past to shame. Many of us switched from other great candidates simply because we were told that there was no way they could win the general election. And you know what happened there. All it takes is a few swiftboat liars, a wedge issue or two, a bunch of flag-waving patriotic warnings about what will happen if the dems win control of the senate, and you can bet that those right-leaning fence-sitter military types will be pulling the (R) lever faster than you can say Anbesol. Plus, If your candidate goes too much toward the center, you alienate many of us who don't want to see another mealy-mouthed moderate "republican in democratic clothing". I'll hold my nose and vote for one, but I'm sure that many of my fellow NoVa lefties will be disgruntled about their options. Primaries should be where you vote for what you believe in. Compromising should be left for the general election. Just my humble opinion.

It's his visibility throughout the state. No Republican will vote for Miller in the General. NONE. They'll vote for Allen. They WILL, however, vote for Webb, based on the issues. Webb opposed the war, too (and documented his opposition when it was declared)--Miller says it should be managed like a "business problem." So the gung-ho aspect doesn't apply.

And in VA, primaries are not always where you vote for the candidate you believe in. You might wish it were so, but it isn't, given the open primary system they have down there. That only happens in states where only Democrats can vote in Democratic primaries, and only Republicans vote in Republican primaries:

Virginia voters do not register by party. The primaries are open to any registered voter who lives within the precinct in which he or she is registered. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/09/AR2006060901641.html

It's where you vote for the best of the lot, the one with the best chance of beating the opponent, and where you vote for the WORST of the lot on the other team, to advance your particular candidate. Of course, that's only if you are being pragmatic as opposed to 'protest' voting.

And that's what makes this race so convoluted.

I have to disagree with what you're saying. Let's put out a hypothetical example.

Let's say for instance, Zell Miller was running as a Dem in a primary battle in VA against a more liberal candidate. In a state such a VA, Zell Miller would probably be the democrat with the best chance at beating a candidate such as George Allen. Does that mean that I should pull the level in the primary for Zell? No. I'm not saying that Webb will be as bad as Zell was, but what I am saying is.... If someone is telling you to vote for someone who you don't feel would represent you properly, then you shouldn't be voting for that person. That varies from person to person within the democratic party. Some democrats feel Webb represents their interests well enough. Some democrats don't.

If you don't try to influence change within your own party, then you have no right to complain and call the senate "weak-kneed" when they vote with the president all the time. What use is controlling the senate, if most of our senators vote like Zell?

Here's what would happen if a hypothetical Zell made it to the Senate from VA. He might stray from the pack in his voting, but if he strayed too far he wouldn't get any DNC dough for his reelection, and would have to spend all his time out on the rubber chicken circuit, drumming up cash, and likely missing important votes. And he'd face a KILLER challenger in the primary, someone like Jim Webb. Keep in mind, Zell came to the nation's attention as a crazyass, dueling fool when he NO LONGER NEEDED THE HELP OF THE DNC. His famous 'party split' came AFTER he decided NOT TO RUN for reelection. He was, by yammering on like a nitwit, placing a bet for his post-Senate career, and thought that the ridin'-high GOP attitude was a good bet. I'll bet he's wishing he kept his fat mouth shut, these days.

When your Majority/Minority Leader tells you to vote a certain way, in accordance with the stated platform of the party, the smart Senator will do it. Unless, of course, they are planning on being a one-termer. Often, if the vote is a lost cause anyway, the Leader will let people cast whatever vote they want, to appease their home-crowd, or to draw away supporters from the other team by being able to wave a symbolic but meaningless vote about.

VA is a red state that is going bluer every day. But screaming liberals don't have a prayer there. Webb is a perfect triangulation candidate, because he will draw GOP votes away from Allen, something that Miller cannot do. And he's not a corporate lobbyist who is stinking rich, and can buy reelection out of his own wallet. If Webb wants to stay in the seat, he'll listen to the Leader on the critical votes, and adhere to the platform as closely as he can in good conscience. If he doesn't, he won't get any good committee assignments to shovel pork back home, and he won't get any reelection dough.

That's how the game works.

is that this is a news story to begin with.

The cartoon looks completely and utterly harmless. They were trying to caricaturize this guy as a DC fat cat, unconcerned with average workers, not as a Jew for pete's sake.

This will backfire, as the average person can spot faux ethnic/racial outrage a mile away.

Score one for Webb.

...actually evaluating the evidence look like asses. If the republican opponant had posted some anti-Semitic caricature, by all means bring it to the attention of the media- excoriate the bastard. But this ain't one. The side-by-side comparision earlier in the thread isn't even a caricature (where prominent features are exaggerated)- it's a cartoon depiction.

But for Pete's sake, take a look at what the evidence is before you start crowing. That's all I ask, just examine the evidence yourself.

If you disagree with me, that's fine, but I got the impression from the thread that alot of people were making the accusation without even seeing the image.

It reminds me of Brickley Paste (Gore Vidal) in Bob Roberts, who is vilified as a pedophile because a picture surfaces where he's getting out of a car with a very young lady- not his wife. Well, of course, the picture is cropped, it's a picture of his daughter and one of her friends getting out the car.

Repeat after me: Just because a person is a republican it does not make them an anti-Semite. Just because a person is a republican it does not make them a pedophile. Republicans have, in their numbers, more pedophiles and anti-Semites I am certain but it doesn't look good to undecided voters or conservatives we're trying to sway over to the Light Side to smear everyone who runs against us with accusations most vile. Save the big guns for when they're needed.

PB

They will pick on anyone that seeks to gain power from them.

HITLER's!

The flyer and Webb have been utterly misrepresented.


Here's the kind of hysterical overreaction we are seeing today:

http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1149886352.shtml

Here is the actual flyer:

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/files/miller_flyer_color.pdf


I don't get it :shrug:

...doesn't it? I mean, here we are. I can only, frightfully, speculate how Boosh will use that position, or misuse it as the case may (may?) be.

PB

Here on DU where bullshit detectors are supposed to be well-honed.

I see a Fat Cat Lobbyist in that cartoon piece, not a Jew. This kind of dirty politics, reactionary stereotyping from Miller and friends, is something we should be able to see through.

...will come up. I just really hope we can learn from mistakes made this time so that next time there's a little more critical thinking going on.

PB

laborers on temporary worker visas to do all of our tech work, depressing tech sector wages and throwing a lot of IT types out of work. This, from the paper that ENDORSED him: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/AR2006060801650.html

Harris Miller saw the future of American industry, and it was based on global cooperation.
So as a lobbyist for an information technology trade association, Miller trekked to Capitol Hill, arguing for the international interests of industry heavyweights such as Oracle and Microsoft and actively supporting legislation like the Northern American and Central American free trade agreements that loosened trade barriers.

But as Miller heads toward Tuesday's Democratic Senate primary against former Navy secretary James Webb, his support for a borderless trade world has gotten him into trouble with a key portion of the Democratic base: unions. Leaders for several sectors of the labor movement have blasted Miller positions that they say have hurt U.S. workers.

..."The fact is he and ITAA are some of the biggest proponents of bringing in foreign workers while at the same time exporting American jobs," said Marcus Courtney, president of the Seattle-based Washington Alliance of Technology Workers, which is affiliated with the Communications Workers of America. Courtney has criticized Miller's writings about unionizing high-tech workers, in which the candidate points out the difficulty of collective bargaining for such workers.

...Miller's critics point to his support for expanding the H-1B visa program, which allows engineers and high-tech workers from abroad to work and live in the United States for up to six years. Detractors say the program has depressed wages for U.S. workers over the past several years, although various economic studies differ on the long-term impacts of the program. ...

How can one be the "anti-Christ" of it, was basically my question. Is there a "Christ of Outsourcing?" Perhaps a "Christ of Insourcing?" Maybe, there's an "anti-Christ of Dryer Lint." Such an adjective is absolutely senseless. A "zealous supporter of outsourcing," would be a sufficient description, in my opinion.

There's even a discussion of the Antichrist word upthread. The phrase was coined by the IT community, who were hardest hit by the impact of his tactics. It's not a Webb invention.

an·ti·christ Pronunciation Key (nt-krst, nt-)
n.
An enemy of Christ.
Antichrist The epithet of the great antagonist who was expected by the early Church to set himself up against Christ in the last days before the Second Coming.
A false Christ.



The people who made this flyer used the word simply to set the guy up as a "non-Christian," therefore, fueling Christian passions against him. I do not like outsourcing, but there are better ways to make one's arguments than by using gods and false gods to do it.

Edited to insert link: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anti-christ

You're using the NARROW definition. It can also mean anyone with whom you have a major beef, for example:

Hillary Clinton: http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080001
The Pope: http://www.ianpaisley.org/antichrist.asp
Prince Charles: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/PrinceCharles/index.html
Ronald Reagan: http://home.mcn.net/~willfree/coincidence/reagan.htm

I posted links above, that described everyone from DAVID HASSELHOFF to MADONNA as the antichrist. It's been Miller's nickname in the IT community for years.

If you really want to find the origin of the quote and full context, I suggest you contact the Programmer's Guild and ask them about the reference in their January letter.

But, the non-Jews will think this is no "big deal" when applied to a Jew. However, you are very correct, that this was a way to insert religion into to the race.

Some people love to excuse racism in all its form, but really enjoy it when they can excuse anti-Semitism.

I am glad I am not the only one to see what is really happening with this campaign.

The drawings appear pretty accurate, and the "anti-Christ" term belonged to the AFL-CIO.

DTH

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2) Miller supports outsourcing and visas and I don't support him.
3) The AFL-CIO came up with the slogan "Anti-Christ of Outsourcing".

There is nothing racist or anti-semetic about this. This is a desperation slime by Miller.

How can you criticize Webb for a cartoon image of his opponent that looks exactly like him? That would be like saying Mike Luckovich's cartoons of the Chimp are unfair because they look like him.

What BS reporting by the AP. They have gone way, way downhill. It's as if they just regurgitated talking points from the Miller campaign rather than actually looking at the cartoon.

It's not "grotesquely" anything.

AP SUCKS.

DTH