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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:55 PM
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(Bill) Clinton sees hope for Iraq
Former President Bill Clinton told Florida Democrats on Monday that Iraq's fledgling government would falter if the United States were to withdraw its troops.

He also said more terrorists could emerge from that region without an American military presence.

"The representative government there in Iraq is a hopeful sign," Clinton said at a fundraising reception for the Florida Democratic Party at the Orlando Marriott Downtown.

"But we need to stay there long enough for the politics to get worked out," he said. "If we withdrew tomorrow, that government couldn't survive."

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/NEWS01/606130338/1006
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:56 PM
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1. Warning " DLC"
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 07:58 PM by bahrbearian
" Upon Edit " Is this suppose to help Hilliary or Bush ?
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:58 PM
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2. Well since no one is suggesting we leave "tomorrow" I'll file this under
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 07:58 PM by gully
who gives a rip?

I say this as a Clinton "fan."
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:03 PM
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3. American military presence. ?
That's the Clintons ,,for you .
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:04 PM
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4. Oh yeah, we still trust him...
nevermind his strange-love in the Bushes. Of course, we hope IRAQ succeeds... but we don't see the progress to indicate more of the same is going to make much difference. These people have been deeply at odds for centuries and only a dictatorship was able to repress their hatred for each other... and alas, Democracies are relatively fragile things--at least, so it appears (our own isn't doing so hot--and we have neither been invaded nor have opposing religions (to any similar degree)).
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:06 PM
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5. The Soviets felt the same way about their client gov't in Afghanistan
But, eventually they packed up and left.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:08 PM
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6. I recall hearing the same thing about Nam', Cambodia, etc.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:34 AM
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26. True - I heard that for years
but the recent Kissinger China letter showed that in 1972, Nixon and Kissinger just wanted a deal that there be a decent interval between when we left and and the inevitable fall of Saigon. Young Kerry was completely accurate in his charge that people were dying just to let politicians save face.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:08 PM
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7. I love Bill Clinton and of course he is right.
Now that we are there, leaving would be a sin. We have to fix what we broke.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:10 PM
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8. Can't be fixed.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:20 PM
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11. Was that sarcasm?
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otokogi Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:27 PM
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12. We have to STOP breaking things before we can PAY for them to be fixed...
hello...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:42 AM
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21. Our presence IS THE BREAKING OF IT
Every day we stay, we break it worse.

And sin? Gimme a break.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:47 AM
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23. I love no politician and NAFTA plus his Senior Bush smoozing
has indicated to me ---> BOTH the Clinton and Bush Dynasties need to be put down. :thumbsdown:

Both Bubba and Hil best wake the f**k up and realize that, despite the Corporate Media's cheer-leading, the people will NOT elect Hillary Clinton as our next President.

Damn, what's wrong with these political cronies?

Sometimes I think that they believe the lies that our Corporate Cable media is spewing. :grr:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:56 AM
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24. cough cough grrrrrrr
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:58 AM
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27. Then go on over there and fix it
the only thing we do by our presence is make things worse not better..
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otokogi Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:14 PM
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9. He's THE Best Republican President we've ever had...
I guess, Rape, Torture and Murder are just the price the iraq's have to pay to give up their oil.

FUCK BILL CLINTON _|_
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:15 PM
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10. Whatever, Bubba
Go pick your blood money up from your corporate masters. And put your apron back on before Hillary gets pissed at you.
I couldn't care less about Iraq -- other than for the fact our kids (and not his) keep on dying there. Funny how that works.
John
It is now three days, 14 hours and 45 minutes to FUNDAY.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:33 PM
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13. DU to Bill: "Fuck off ya fuckin' RNC stooge!!!"
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:38 AM
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20. Er...
Truth hurting, Sagle?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:28 PM
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33. The "truth" that w is right about Iraq? If that's your "truth",
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 02:28 PM by Jim Sagle
you can have it. It's not my truth, and it doesn't hurt, it just reeks.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:42 PM
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34. No, the truth that Clinton's a useful idiot for the occupation.
Are you or are you not being an apologist for Clinton on this one?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:28 PM
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39. NO!! There was no sarcasm in my post.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 01:28 PM by Jim Sagle
Which is to say, we're on the same side here.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:36 PM
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14. Whatever, NAFTA-boy. nt
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:50 PM
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15. He's just wrong; he's never been a great humanitarian to Iraq
Remember, he bombed them just because of a fledgling, maybe-not-even-true rumor of Saddam Hussein trying to assasinate Bush's father, killing dozens of people including a popular Arab actress.

I don't hate Bill or anything, but he's a US militarist like our President have always been.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:56 PM
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16. I thought it was the Iraq's job to protect themselves from terrorists
and isn't it a good possibility that our presence there is now creating more terrorists?
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:58 PM
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17. It's THE possibility
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:22 AM
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18. Bill is being Presidential.
Unlike the pResident.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:42 AM
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22. Clinton is being a self-centered douchebag...
as per usual.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:24 AM
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30. What, imperial?
Oh, oh, presidential. I confuse those sometimes.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 06:34 AM
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19. Send Chelsea to fight, then, Bubba.
Or is it OK that working class kids and pressganged Guardsmen do all the dying?

Must be. Just as it must be OK that thousands of Iraqis are dead for this fantasy of "representative government." What are a few thousands more on top of the million kids you strangled with sanctions?

Clintonism: it's Bushism with more blowjobs.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:06 AM
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25. Does anyone think we CAN or even SHOULD "Withdraw tomorrow"?
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 07:06 AM by bunkerbuster1
Nice straw man, Bill.
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Astrad Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 08:28 AM
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28. 47% of Iraqis support attacks on US troops
yes I would support a total withdrawal tomorrow.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:00 AM
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29. It's physically impossible.
And while I also agree it's time we acknowledged that this occupation was a mistake and needs to be ended per a specific timetable, I know of no elected Democrat who proposes leaving within 24 hours.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:32 AM
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31. I've never ever been a Bill Clinton fan, but this makes me vomit.
He's fixing up Hillary's mess (supporting the IWR and continued support of the war), and he's also supporting an immoral war. More pandering to Republicans - sometimes it seems as if both Clintons know how to do nothing else. They certainly don't cater to their base.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:37 AM
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32. There's is no hope for
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 09:39 AM by zidzi
Iraq under the bushits..it was started on lies and nothing good will come from that..Clinton should know that.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:48 PM
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35. Enough of the Clintons and Bushes
Had Big Dog divorced Hillary and married Monica in a Jewish ceremony, he could have moved to Israel and he would be Prime Minister by now and we wouldn't have to listen to his shit about "staying the course" in Iraq and watch him being such chum with Poppy Bush.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:54 AM
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36. You "were" a good president, Bill.
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:08 AM
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37. It doesn't matter how good a president he was
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 01:09 AM by PlanetBev
he is in no small way repsonsible for the right-wing death grip we now have on our government. When he dropped his drawers for that two-bit chippie, we lost what little we had left of the south and mid-west voters. He didn't think of his wife, his child, his vice-president, his party or his country. He left an honorable man like Al Gore looking like the piano player in a house of ill repute.

Then, after what the assholes on the right put him and the rest of the country through, he starts cuddling up the very crime family that stole the vote from his vice-president.

Thanks a lot, Bill.
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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 03:15 AM
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38. Bingo!
And for this reason, I can never forgive him.
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