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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:10 AM
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Concern over lab's plan to test microbes (Lawrence LIvermore Lab-Level 4)
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE
Concern over lab's plan to test microbes
Court panel weighs request for detailed environmental study


Keay Davidson, Chronicle Science Writer
Wednesday, June 14, 2006

A federal court judge in San Francisco hinted on Tuesday that she finds it troubling that Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory plans to build a lab in the Bay Area to store and experiment with trillions of deadly microbes without proper environmental review.

The nuclear weapons lab's environmental report on the project does not include "any discussion anywhere of what seems most troublesome," namely that the proposed biodefense lab "is being built in a very highly populated area of Northern California," said Chief Judge Mary M. Schroeder.

...snip...

A lawyer for the lab's opponents strongly disagreed, telling the three-judge panel that an accident -- perhaps caused by an earthquake -- might eject killer microbes that winds could blow as far as San Francisco or points beyond....

...snip

"I don't desire to unduly frighten the public," Volker said after the hearing, "but (the lab's) decision to create pathogens (in a populous community) for which there might not be any cure is unconscionable." The result could be thousands of deaths after a lab accident, he said.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:18 AM
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1.  Truck carrying microbes crashes in Winnipeg
http://www.cbc.ca/manitoba/story/print/mb_anthrax-20050302


A Federal Express courier truck carrying a package of anthrax collided with a car in central Winnipeg on Wednesday, but officials say the package was not damaged in the crash.

The truck was carrying five packages to the Canadian Science Centre for Human and Animal Health, the federal virology lab downtown. The packages contained samples of anthrax, E. coli, salmonella, tuberculosis, influenza and a sexually transmitted disease.

Officials with the lab say the microbes were not in forms that could be lethal. The centre said it would not ship the more dangerous form of anthrax through a commercial courier.

The area surrounding the accident site – at Logan Avenue and Sherbrook Street, just a few blocks from the lab – was sealed off and the hazardous materials unit was called in to assess the situation. The intersection was reopened after it was determined the situation was safe.


The virology lab was classified as a Level-4 facility.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:25 AM
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2. Research into biological warfare?
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 12:27 AM by daleo
Saddam was accused of this, and it resulted in an invasion (no program was discovered). But if the U.S. does it...

Who is the U.S.'s Dr. Germ?

P.S. you forgot the link.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:53 AM
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3. Why, if they're building a new lab, do they have to do it in a densely
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 01:03 AM by lindisfarne
populated area? Why not do it further inland, south of Sacramento, somewhere that no one lives? SF is an area subject to earthquakes. It would be a whole lot easier, if it were in the middle of nowhere, to keep track of people who should be near/in the building and who shouldn't be there.

Here's a link to the OP's article (or a similar one):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/06/13/state/n162319D20.DTL&hw=livermore&sn=001&sc=1000

But a Justice Department lawyer told the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that research showed a biodefense lab at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory posed little disaster risk.

If pathogens were to escape from the lab — scheduled to open in August — they would disperse in concentrations so low they would be unlikely to harm anyone, attorney Todd Aagaard said in defense of the project.

Opponents sharply disagreed, saying even a small release could kill thousands. Attorney Stephan Volker said the government failed to consider the possibility that a plane or truck could sabotage the site 50 miles east of San Francisco.
The Bush administration has been preparing the biodefense lab for years, saying the facility — to be jointly used by the Departments of Energy and Homeland Security — is vital to national security.
<snip>
The facility would sit in a region of several earthquake faults, and opponents warned a temblor could release deadly agents in the densely populated region east of San Francisco.
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Unfortunately, since it's "vital" to "national security", I doubt the protesters have a chance. But Bay area have the best chance of anyone - they don't back down quickly!

This article goes more deeply into some of the objections:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/06/13/state/n002202D38.DTL&hw=livermore&sn=002&sc=579
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:43 AM
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4. Hantavirus? Q fever? Plague? What the hell are these nutjobs thinking?
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 01:52 AM by djmaddox1
Aerosolized? In an area w/a population of @ 7 million? In an area that shakes regularly? That makes no sense at all.

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The facility would test the agents, which could also include hantavirus, influenza, hepatitis, Q fever, brucellis, herpes and salmonella, among others, on live animals.

And they want to open a 2nd site!

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Separately, Lawrence Livermore and the University of California recently expressed interest in hosting a second biodefense lab, this one in nearby Tracy. It would test pathogens even more dangerous than the facility at issue in the case before 9th Circuit.

What say they put these puppies by, say ... Crawford Ranch or Poppy *ushs' little homestead? They would have access to lower life forms to test on & less risk of accidentally infecting someone human! (all apologies to any DUers in those areas - but you know what I mean)

on edit:
highlighting, spelling, cleaning up the shock spill!
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 08:38 AM
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6. thanks for the links-was very tired last night-there is NOWHERE in CA
that is safe, especially since the Delta breezes can carry clouds further inland. Also almost any freeway/highway/railroad tracks needed to transport materials is likely to pass through high density populations.

It looks like they may have dropped UC Davis from their list of potential sites after much public outcry.
here's a story from 2003 about the escaping monkey that helped put a stop to a lab at UC DAVIS
http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/Content?oid=oid%3A15384

The selling of the biolab

Somewhere between Osama and Saddam, there was that monkey. A slippery simian’s unsolved escape from an ostensibly secure University of California, Davis, research facility remains a major embarrassment for an institution that’s attempting to sell its campus as the site for a level-4 national biocontainment laboratory. The monkey--dubbed Drano by the local paper because of its conjectured escape into the campus sewer system--was one of the first cracks in the university’s campaign to win a $200 million contract from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to build a facility that could handle the highest-level contagions, such as Ebola and anthrax.

“We couldn’t have wished for more than that monkey getting out,” said Stop UCD BioLab Now’s Samantha McCarthy of the monkey, whose escape was leaked to the press on Valentine’s Day. After all, if a monkey could escape a UC Davis lab, why couldn’t a deadly microbe? The ill-timed revelation (the university filed its application with the NIH only days earlier) made national headlines and was seen by many as a harbinger of greater risks ahead. In short order, Davis Mayor Susie Boyd reversed her public stance and issued a proclamation that the city would not support the project. A subsequent series of security breaches at the UC-operated Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos national laboratories further called into question the safety of locating such a lab on a campus with nearly 50,000 students and faculty.

But unlike the Gray Davis recall campaign--which has had a dedicated crew of conservative politicians and journalists to keep it alive in the daily press--the UC Davis biolab story largely fell out of the headlines as it began to appear that the lab itself would go down the drain. Opponents of the lab now charge that this was a deliberate maneuver on the university’s part to create a diversionary “smokescreen” consisting of questionable relocation plans and an elaborate campaign to spin the perception of the lab from “biodefense” to “biosafety.”



here's a link to a journal on the issue

http://www.badlandsjournal.com/?p=131

By contrast, researchers at the second (Tracy) lab would concentrate to a greater degree on natural- or terrorist-caused agricultural diseases, but might also have the authority to work on extremely virulent human diseases such as Ebola, research on which is not permitted in the lower-ranked lab.

UC mentions hoof-and-mouth disease, for example, keeping the door open for anthrax, Ebola, etc, of course.

The situation seems to be that if UC/Lawrence Livermore wins its appeals court case, the deadliest human diseases will be stored and studied in the Bay Area, the most densely (human) populated area in northern California, while hoof-and-mouth disease, for example, will be studied in the San Joaquin Valley, which contains the densest population of cows in the nation.

This is undoubtedly why our wise leaders invited UC to establish a campus in Merced. This is the kind of enlightened, scientific guidance we dumb farmers need down here in the Valley.
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 05:07 AM
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5. They built the same thing in rural Montana
Several groups fought it for years, seems like they are using the same tactics to push it though in Calif.
The Level 4 twelve miles from me in a town of 4000 opens this year.
more> http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2004/08/12/news/mtregional/news07.txt
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