Probe finds Iraqi troops killed 2 American soldiers

The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr., 34, of Tracy and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson, 33, of Riverside were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.

But the Army's Criminal Investigation Division concluded there was foul play after probing the circumstances for several months.

The investigators found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the military did not plan to release the report until Wednesday.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/14862802.htm

"Hey, they're just numbers too."

I asked my wife if their was any Iraqi troops with the other 3 American soldiers.
Why would you let just 3 soldiers watch a check point at night.

They said earlier in the day that their deaths were listed as "Top Secret" because the Bush admin found out they weren't killed by insurgents!

and he needed a PR plus!

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Wow. Our nice Iraqi allies are fragging our soldiers. As always, this is good news for the Republicans.

Early on, about the time the US went to Afghanistan after 9/11, I suggested that the middle east and islam was an ugly snake pit of humanity. They have been dismembering and decapitating for a few thousand years. They have been slaving and whoring girls, women, and young boys for even longer than islam has existed. Mohamed never asked them to change but only to pray for power to remove the infidels from the earth by any means.
Taking or overcoming these people does not mean just taking the rattles off their tails and allowing them to coil and strike at will.
It will never be a peace loving democracy that will cause them to make change with just killing some. Like "baal" with all it's cruel ugliness it must be caused to destroy itself!

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And what do you have against Baal anyway? Perhaps you would like to see a repeat of this uplifting bit of religious history:

"5: And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baal-peor.
6: And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
7: And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
8: And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
9: And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand."

Jericho "after" the walls came a'tumblin' down -- he or his forces killed all the women and children because "God told him to." Whatever.

Bush: Old Testament solutions for New Testament problems.

Maybe you should take a look at history before making rash statements. People are people and you find zealotry in every religion, including Christianity. Iraq was a secular state, which our government's actions have turned into a fundamentalist cess pool. I have enough empathy, that if some country, say like China, attacked my country, even though I had a despotic government, I would not be throwing flowers at their feet, like the great white hope. I would be using anything and everything in my means to oust them from my country. Some act like only we are superior, only we can be saviors--we must save the "ignorant, godless, brown people." Such bullshite. Revolution comes from within, not from without--if you look at our history and foreign policies, you'll see that we really don't give a damn about democracy, as long as the leaders of other countries bow down to our multinational corporations.

my daughter is a soldier, I see these soldiers, some are just kids--it breaks my heart for them to be so far away from home, being in a hostile environment--to me, this is Vietnam redux, with desert instead of a jungle. I believe we were more blatantly lied to now and PR has improved into selling BS to the public.

Given us the first written languages of the World
Gave us the majority of the ancient wonders of the world.
Gave us higher mathematics upon which the likes of Newton could draw upon..Geometry, Algebra....all hold their origin to the Middle East.
The Bible was written by these "middle easterners"...both the Old and New Testaments.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the Middle East was the cradle of civilization. Civilization itself started in the region, the first buildings, the first great cities, the first innovations were made in the land of the Tigris and Euphrates. While Europe was wallowing in darkness, sitting in their petty fiefdoms and waiting for the apocalypse, Arabs and Muslims were studying astronomy, algebra, trade and more. Their cities drew the envy of the world, their beautiful buildings have inspired awe for countless years. Europe would do anything to get their hands on the spices and treasures which came from the East (read: Middle East). Muslims tolerated Jews and Christians while Europeans were busy burning as many people as possible. Islamic armies left Synagogues and Churches stand and even repaired them while the Crusaders murdered and pillaged and ravaged all they could (even Constantinople). If you knew anything, I wouldn't need to say the obvious.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the religion of Ba'al was no different than the religions of Rome and Greece. If you knew anything, you'd know that the Near East of antiquity was also a place of great things. The Persians built the most effective system of roads known at the time, their prolific mail system gave inspiration for those of today (neither rain nor sleet...), Persopolis radiates with glory even after its destruction. Babylon was the place of the Ishtar Gate, the Temple of Marduk and the famous Hanging Gardens. If you knew anything, you'd know that these societies were really no different than others. If you knew anything, you'd know that the "peace loving democracies" of nearby Greece were downright misogynist, elitist, plutocratic, petty, racist and more.

If you knew anything, you wouldn't make such insipid comments.

Get a grip.

more or less barbarous than B-52s carpet bombing from altitudes > 5,000 feet? Weirdly enough, beheading seems to me almost less barbarous than the anonymous B52 carpet bomber, if only because with beheading there's at least a relationship between executioner and victim.

Now let's see Bush stand up there and talk about "When Iraqis stand up, we will stand down". I'd like to see him try it JUST ONE MORE TIME.

This really demolishes their last-ditch plans, shot to shit.

AP: Iraqi troops killed 2 U.S. soldiers

By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer 29 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found.

The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.

But the Army's Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060621/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/soldiers_ambushed


How many more coverups and lies by the Pentagon will be exposed? ...

once again...our soldiers are put in a position where they can't win...the Iraqi soldiers are Iraqi's watching their country being destroyed by the * cabal...

Wasted US lives.....for what....I am so sick of this bullshit!!

Train 'em during the day and they would try to kill you at night.

I wonder how many Iraqi 'troops' have been killed by pissed-off US troops?

So much for "Operation Togethor Forward"......

The question is will we stop this before 51,000 soldiers lose their lives....?

I have become to cynical. I think we might even exceed that number....

have the stomach for 51,000 dead.....
I think we are at that for injured soldiars right now.....

I am thinking it will be (I pray) long before that death toll...we are starting to see soldiers go awol than go back to the hell hole...they are calling up 58 year old men who fought in Vietnam....something has to give....they will have no choice but to go to the Draft....

They are trying to take on N Korea and Iran on top of Iraq and Afghanastan....something has to give....I think the law of averages are against this administration...

But with you I am cynical too....

I certainly hope that public opinion shifts. But if you say the NBC News piece looks like Rove has a tactic to get congress to use the word "cut and run", and we know how effective that scum bag is. Not to mention that pointless bill that was just passed.

And other delayed effects of the war.

were killed and the millions more who were wounded and\or displaced.

The death squads have turned on the USA?

So... now.. who do the US troops get to shoot at?

for our troops to stand down.

"Iraqi troops are unreliable. We must stay for many more years until we're sure of their political reliability."

No mention of what fraction. Just Iraqis.

I'm sorry to mine and our troops, but if they (Iraqis) were here killing our children, what would we do?

to Ann Coulter and the gang. Stuff like this will turn even right wing Americans against the current "lie and die" policy.

Oh shit. . . Well, now we know the Iraqi guards can fight. So let's get out of there.

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found.

The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.

But the Army's Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday. (Watch a mother's quest for truth -- 1:26)

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The Army has conducted an extensive investigation into the deaths but declined to provide details out of respect for relatives of the soldiers, spokesman Paul Boyce said Tuesday evening.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/soldiers.ambushed.ap/index.html

Gee, who could've predicted that.

countries.

Vietnam, oops, I mean, Be it far from me to talk bad about the war though, cause then I'd be hating America. . .or something.

Just curious.

I'm wondering if it was a Pat Tillman-type of incident.

You train them during the day, they try to kill you at night.

Usually, they just express regret for the mistake.