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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:43 AM
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Cannabis is no soft drug, UN warns
This must have come from John Bolton's committee.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/cannabis-is-no-soft-drug-un-warns/2006/06/27/1151174201752.html
June 28, 2006

New strains of highly potent cannabis are as dangerous as heroin and cocaine, and the drug can no longer be dismissed as "soft and relatively harmless", the United Nations has reported.

In an implied criticism of Britain's decision to downgrade cannabis, Antonio Maria Costa, the head of the UN's Office on Drugs and Crime, said that countries got the "drug problem they deserved" if they maintained inadequate policies.

His comments on Monday indicated deep unhappiness with the British Government's decision to reclassify cannabis from a Class B drug to Class C. Heroin and cocaine are Class A substances, attracting the toughest penalties for possession and trafficking.

"Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," said Mr Costa, introducing the organisation's annual report.

Be afraid, be very afraid. Their propaganda is so blatant these days, it is easy to see the author! :hide: :rofl:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:46 AM
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1. OMFG....
:grr:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:47 AM
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2. It sounds like the UN is leaving young people confused
by implying that marijuana is more dangerous than it really is. The US government has been confusing and misleading young people about this for many years now.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:47 AM
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3. If it is so dangerous, why not post a chart comparing its LD-50 to others?
The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response. (http://www.jackherer.com/comparison.html)
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:51 AM
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63. 20 to 40K joints?
i expect emphysema would kill ya first.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:47 AM
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4. What class is Alchohol?
I'm just curious. Isn't it hypocritical to say that Cannabis is so dangerous, while Alchohol is consumed everywhere in abundance?

Isn't alchohol a poison? I though I remmeber reading that when you get drunk it's because your body is reacting to being poisoned. So the UN think's that's fine then eh?
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:18 PM
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29. $30 worth of booze...

... can kill you (go out and drink $30 worth of whisky/rum/vodka/gin/etc mixed drinks and tell me how you feel in the morning.

$30 worth of pot will just have you laughing, eating and then taking a nap with plenty left over for later in the week. :smoke:
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:29 PM
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36. I know of one young man (ahem)
who tried to smoke an entire quarter ounce of regular bud in one sitting. Midway through the third bowl the poor bastard was laughing so hard he couldn't even put the pipe up to his lips. At that point he was only capable of vegging out and listening to Pink Floyd for the next three hours.

Overdose on marijuana? I don't think so. It is not physically possible.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:56 PM
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57. Extra good pot just means literally "one toke weed"
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:31 PM
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49. Actually, god meant us to drink ethyl alcohol - he gave us an enzyme
that breaks it down. So said my chemistry instructor (tongue in cheek). We can't break down other alcohols (like methyl): those are poisonous because of the lack of our ability to break it down. (well some people don't break it down as well as others).
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:49 AM
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5. Where can I get some of that killer weed they're always talking about?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:49 AM
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6. Did he mention where to get, er, to avoid, this potent cannabis?
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 11:50 AM by acmejack
Can't be too careful, you know. Sounds awfully dangerous :smoke: = :silly:
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:55 AM
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11. Good chart. What's the "X" represent? nt
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:02 PM
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16. The so called "Black Budget".
The classified portion that we are not allowed to know what they spend it on. The NSA, Spy Satellites, etc.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:37 PM
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26. Thanks. That's what I thought. nt
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:49 PM
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27. And that's just the official black funds. nt
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:50 AM
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7. wow the UN just jumped the shark.
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 11:52 AM by iconoclastNYC
Pot as dangerous as heroin and cocaine huh? Wow.

And an idiotic thing about this potency thing. I don't know why they always make the assumption that given the higher grade of pot you are going to do the same amount and wind up throwing yoursel off a roof.

As I understand it the high-potency stuff is called : "one hit wonder" because you smoke so much less of it to get where you want to go.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:51 PM
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33. Antonio just wants job security
the way the US drug 'czars' spread fear and BS.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:52 AM
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8. what a bunch of crap
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 11:54 AM by ixion
it simply plays into the ignorance most people have about the properties of THC.


a) There has ALWAYS been good pot out there.
b) No matter what the potency, THC is non-addictive, non-toxic and non-lethal. Period. End of discussion.
c) Heroin and Cocaine, Nicotine and Alcohol, are ALL toxic, addictive and lethal.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:52 AM
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9. Bolton says, ''Dummy up. It grows brain cells and we need a dumb planet.''
Fox News ripped of WebMD to say so:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172194,00.html
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:56 AM
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12. Well, we certainly can't have people
with working brains that actual think about things now, can we?

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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:53 AM
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10. OMG
They're coming to get our guns and our pot!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:09 PM
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43. They'll have to pry it from my cold, dead lips
The founding fathers didn't put "pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration of Independence for nothing.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:57 AM
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13. We need a planet wide revolution to purge the idiots from power.
Top to bottom the legacy of the boomer generation is that the entire planet is run by either the terminally stupid or the criminally vile. I am embarassed for my generation, the children of the purported Greatest Generation, who it seems in their eternal quest to piss off their parents, have become the Stupidest Generation.


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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:59 AM
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14. Jeez, I've been searching high and low for that extra more powerful pot
they've been warning us about for thirty years. Danged if I can find any! And I'm a few miles from Boulder!

NOTHING can beat Thai stick in 1974. I wish I had that weak stuff back!

Pot is very very dangerous politically. That is all.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:20 PM
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21. I've been searching for the rest of my thai stick...

.....since 1976. My roommates and I bought one, pulled the stick out and used about 6 papers to make one fatty. Something scared us so we put it out and hid it....to this day nobody can remember WHERE.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:31 PM
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31. LOL...

... i could respond to you, but then i would be violating one or two of my rights. :rofl:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:01 PM
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15. The s**t I have is pretty soft. And real sticky, too.
This bullshit report is '60s redux.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:10 PM
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18. Party at Tom's place.
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 12:12 PM by acmejack
Is there some rule that they have to trumpet this same bullshit every couple of years?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:23 PM
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23. Gotta get those pre-teens' attention.
Bang 'em over the head with that crap at school.

"And in a Report from the United Nations..."

In 1965, I saw a film in school about the evils of drugs where they had some chick on acid who was in the kitchen with a dog. The dog was barking flowers.
That weekend I drove to Cole Park in Corpus Christi, Texas, and bought my first hits of LSD.

In 1968, I did acid every single day of that year. Every day.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:03 PM
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28. Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end...
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 01:05 PM by acmejack
Tell me honestly, did you ever, in your wildest imagination, expect to be around in 2006? On cue, Franken plays the Dead!

Edit I am putting JA Volunteers on the old turntable, more appropriate to the times then and now.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:41 PM
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32. "Our Generation got old.. Our Generation got sold"
Just yesterday I was sitting on a bench in our little town (Tiburon,CA) talking to my good friend Tom Snyder (remember him?). The bench is dedicated to a late local character named Pat and her pet rat, Bucky.

We were talking about Pat and way back when Pat's best friend, Grace Slick, would bring all these crazies across the Bay and everyone would party all day.

Yes, my friend, those were the days.

Hell, I never thought I would make it to 1980.

Hoped I'd die before I got old.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:04 PM
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17. gee where have I heard this before
I mean, other than every 5 or 10 years in the U.S. media :rofl:
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:13 PM
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19. What are some other class C drugs
Just curious...

david
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:37 PM
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51. Valium & steroids nt
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:14 PM
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20. So keep on drinking beer
watching pap on TV and eating food full of fat and additives. :wtf: Oh, and don't forget the smokes while you're at it!

These people are SOOOOO stupid.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:21 PM
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22. they are saving weed for when the country TOTALLY COLLAPSES so people
will just shut up, eat potato chips and watch TV with the sound turned off..
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:33 PM
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24. The only "Dangerous" thing about Cannabis is that it make you Lazy...
...and fat (if you are prone to getting the munchies) which is why, I suspect, most people quit smoking it. :hippie:
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:40 PM
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37. nope
I was not only a lot skinnier when I smoked regularly, but I was a lot more active, both politically, with my band, and worked my way through school.

I think TV makes us more fat and lazy than anything else.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:36 PM
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25. We'd all be better off if some of those uptight
Repigs and neocons and fundamentalists would just smoke a joint now and then.

A repressive religious upbringing is more dangerous than weed.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:04 PM
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40. I guarantee you...
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 04:06 PM by Concerned GA Voter
...that plenty Republicans of all stripes smoke the herb. The difference between them and us is that they are, for some reason, ashamed of it.

:crazy:
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:43 PM
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53. hear , hear !!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 01:30 PM
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30. "as dangerous as heroin and cocaine"????? . . .
these people are so fucking stupid they're dangerous . . .
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dougkeenan Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:22 PM
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34. Cannabis use is "out of control" they say ...
... well that's the idiocy of prohibition. You want some control? LEGALIZE!
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:46 PM
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54. Can you imagine the generated revenues ??!!
National debt, what National debt? :smoke:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:26 PM
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35. dumb fucks are voting in Congress today on Medical Marijuana
I love the way they control the MSM.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:43 PM
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38. New strains of highly potent cannabis are as dangerous as heroin and
cocaine? Really? Where is it? Bawhahahahahaha :smoke:
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:49 PM
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55. And, who can afford it ?
The non-killing potency(still pretty damn potent) is already $60 an 1/8th
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:04 PM
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39. The ONLY killer weed was made by the US by Tricky Dick Nixon
Definition

Paraquat lung is a lung disease caused by the weed killer Paraquat (dipyridylium).

Causes, incidence, and risk factors Return to top

Paraquat is a highly toxic weed killer once promoted by the United States for use in Mexico to destroy marijuana plants. Research found that this herbicide was dangerous both to workers who applied it to the plants and to people who smoked the marijuana harvested from them.

In the United States, Paraquat is classified as "restricted commercial use," and people must obtain a license to use the product.

Breathing in Paraquat may cause lung damage. Paraquat causes damage to the body when it touches the lining of the mouth, stomach, or intestines. You can get sick if Paraquat touches a cut on your skin. Paraquat may also damage the kidneys, liver, and esophagus.

If Paraquat is swallowed, death can rapidly occur. Death may occur from a hole in the esophagus, or from acute inflammation of the mediastinum, the area that surrounds the major blood vessels and airways in the middle of the chest.

Chronic exposure to Paraquat may cause pulmonary fibrosis, a stiffening of the lung tissue.



http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001085.htm
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:09 PM
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41. I'm sure they'll be able to back the claims up with science!
:rofl:

Fact: Everyone who smokes pot will end up dead.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:45 PM
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42. How about that? The UN really is a useless debating society!
Could Bush** have been r-, r-, you know, not wrong about that? :eyes:
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:00 PM
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44. That is hilarious.
Do they really think people are this stupid? Hmmm...Actually I think they do and in many cases they are right.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:02 PM
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45. Oh Wait! Sorry I missed this earlier. This is an Edited UK Telegraph...
...story! I HATE it when "respected" Newspapers do this, but it happens all the time, I'm afraid.

Here's a link to the original and what was left out:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/27/ndrug27.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/27/ixuknews.html>

UK 'too soft on cannabis dangers'


By Philip Johnston,
Home Affairs Editor
(Filed: 27/06/2006)

(clip)

The UN report estimates that 160 million people use the drug worldwide, with a growing market for stronger strains - known as skunk, among other names - which are far stronger than when most of today's policy-makers were young.

The study claimed that a "significant" number of cannabis users had experienced panic attacks, paranoia and "psychotic symptoms" during cannabis intoxication - dangers heightened by the growing availability of stronger varieties....

(clip)

..."Research indicates that younger users, whose brains are still developing, may be especially vulnerable to the negative effects of cannabis. Despite its normalisation in some countries and its occasional celebration in popular culture, it should be noted that cannabis is a powerful drug that has recently become more powerful in many parts of the world...."

(clip)

...David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said the UN report indicated that "the Government's seriously confused course of action on cannabis has led to chaos and confusion".

The Home Office emphasised that cannabis remained illegal even if its classification had been lowered. It claimed that its use had declined among young people.

A spokesman said: "It is harmful and illegal and no one should take it."

The report also expressed concern about growing cocaine use, particularly in western Europe, where demand was reaching "alarming levels".

"I urge European Union governments not to ignore this peril," Mr Costa said. "Too many professional, educated Europeans use cocaine, often denying their addiction, and drug abuse by celebrities is often presented uncritically by the media leaving young people confused and vulnerable."

A report from the European Union's Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction said that drug deaths in Europe were at their highest ever.

(more at link) <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/27/ndrug27.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/27/ixuknews.html>
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outofbounds Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:15 PM
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46. I saw a show
on the History Channel, Illeagal drugs, and how they got that way. what an eye opener. One hell of a show that basicaly stated that the Govt. Lied about the effects just to ban it.

How much do we spend on the war on drugs? How effective has thet been? By the People, For The People. Transparent, Persuit of happiness, I just cant remember where I read that.:sarcasm:
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:00 PM
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47. They're right. It's not a drug. It's a plant.
No modification is necessary to the plant to use it. How is that a drug?

It's a drug the same way that catnip is a drug.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:35 PM
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50. I don't agree with the UN but your semantics of "drug" aren't correct
either. For example, m-w.com:
1 a obsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication c according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2 : a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand -- used in the phrase drug on the market
3 : something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:59 PM
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64. Using those definitions, chocolate is a drug.
Exercise is a drug. Religion is a drug. (something that causes a marked change in consciousness)
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:03 PM
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48. Rofl!
:rofl:
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:42 PM
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52. I don`t want to go on anymore !!.....
So, gimme 5 lbs of your best chronic. I`m checking out. O8)



:puffpiece:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:55 PM
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56. OMG my heart might stop beating if I smoke pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:49 PM
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58. Cannibas- Pot- Weed...
whatever you want to call it was legal until the Marijuana Stamp Act in 1937.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:54 PM
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59. Bullshit
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:55 PM
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60. Cannabis as dangerous as heroin and cocaine?
So who 'sexed' up this dossier? I swear these people just keep getting more and more pathetic. The war on drugs. :eyes:
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:52 PM
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61. oh noe!!!! REEFER MADNESS!!!11111!!
Do you know how much pot you'd have to smoke in order to reach lethal levels of THC?

Answer?

50#
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:48 AM
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62. "as dangerous as heroin and cocaine" ??
bwahahhahahaha

what crap.
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