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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:32 PM
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Democrats vow to block pay raises until minimum wage increased
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/27/congress.wage.reut/index.html

Democrats ratcheted up their election-year push for an increase in the federal minimum wage Tuesday by promising to block a congressional pay hike unless some of the lowest-paid hourly workers get their first raise in nearly a decade.

"Congress is going to have earn its raise by putting American workers first: A raise for workers before a raise for Congress," said Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Reid refused to spell out exactly how he will block a $3,300 pay raise scheduled for January 1 for members of Congress, who currently earn $165,200 annually. He said with 40 Senate Democrats backing the maneuver, "We can stop anything they (Republicans) try to do with a congressional pay raise."

Democrats in the House and Senate want the $5.15-per-hour federal minimum wage, in place since 1997, to rise in 70-cent increments to $7.25 by January 1, 2009.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:33 PM
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1. Good, they have to start moving agressively on issues
that affect REAL PEOPLE. Flag burning, guns, gays, and god, are all wedge issues, it is up to the DEMOCRATS TO BRING UP THE REAL ISSUES. No more excuses...



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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:41 PM
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46. What is the deal, they want a $3,500 pay raise up to 165,000
but they can't raise the minimum wage to $7.25??

What fucks~~

I was making $7.20 in 1977 at a union job for the Capital Centre in MD, I was a junior in high school!

Needless to say, with my experience and schooling, I am just under the $57,000 bracket for Help Desk and I know that I am underpaid!!!!!!!!!
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:48 AM
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49. I'm a teacher with a Master's Degree
I make 34,200 a year.

Let's not talk about underpaid.
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:34 PM
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2. But, but, Reid also is going to vote to ban flag burning!
Do we love him or hate him today? :shrug:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:39 PM
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4. Reid is a Windows leader. We need a Mac leader.
He is mainstream and subject to general failures.

This minimum wage strategy is right on target, though.
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:13 PM
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11. Good luck finding a pretentious hipster to run for office.
:evilgrin:
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:19 PM
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13. LOL! n/t
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:20 PM
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43. yeah we need a sensitive emo guy
The Mac guy for president! Emo for the win!
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:15 AM
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51. I prefer the open source, Linux candidate,
who shares his or her knowledge, and operates by consensus and for the benefit of all.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:48 AM
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50. Typical of squabbles on the left.
Fight over which is better Mac and Windows and watch both of them hang you out to dry and send the jobs overseas.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:35 PM
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3. "We can stop anything they (Republicans) try to do"
Gee, what a novel notion....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:39 PM
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5. Whoa. If they mean it and it works, excellent! nt
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:44 PM
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6. their "election-year push"
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 03:45 PM by Harvey Korman
Notice the camouflaged bias at work here, the insinuation of cynical motives on our part. Somehow you never hear Republican ploys identified as such, when their intentions are truly cynical--namely, to manipulate people through hatred and fear. Somehow a fag-bashing amendment or another abrogation-of-civil-rights bill is merely "cause for debate." Yet a 70-cent (!) raise in the minimum wage is framed as a stunt to win votes.

This reminds me of the fantastic work some DUer did some weeks back showing that the NYT never promptly identified the many Republican lawmakers who were indicted as Republican, but almost immediately identified the party affiliation of the one or two Dems who committed crimes.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:55 PM
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7. k+r
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:57 PM
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8. A good bit of counterpunching
And good framing of the issue, Mr. Reid. Keep it up!
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:09 PM
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9. Now That's what I'm talking about! Give 'em Hell, Harry! n/t
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Traditional Liberal Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:12 PM
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10. Finally, the working man has a representative
We can only hope their resolve remains strong.

Come on! stick it to the overclass!
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:34 AM
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57. But how many times have we seen "the working man"......
vote AGAINST his own interests by voting FOR the Republican slave-wage forces because of "traditional values" issues such as gay rights, flag burning and "terra"? Always, that's how many times. The Reich-Wing pushes their 'moral outrage buttons' and they line up to vote Republican every time, even though they're slitting their own throats in doing so. Alas, we don't have a very bright electorate.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:34 AM
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62. Those stupid middle income white people.



Voting as if they were rich already.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:17 PM
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12. Wow! two crumbs where we only had one before, Yippee!
Well now that we can all look forward to a prosperous retirement, thanks to the selfless efforts of our wonderful representatives, maybe we can get on with the real issues facing us. Have they found that sweet Holloway girl yet?
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:23 PM
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14. $7.25??
$7.25 by 2009 is pathetic. While I have to support whatever increase we can get, I can't imagine that $7.25 would pay for much of anything in at LEAST 90% of this country. Hell, I live in Iowa and I would be hard pressed to support myself on $7.25...I can't imagine trying to do this in a major urban area.

Why don't the damn Democrats we have in office play up the fact that its either an increase in the Minimum Wage, or an increase of people drawing benefits from welfare, etc? People will live one way or another...should we all pay for it, or should the corporations who are paying deplorable wages and retiring with millions?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:06 PM
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21. Hear, hear!
$7.25 an hour is tossing poor people a bone--almost literally, since they can't afford to eat on what they make now, such a small increase will allow them to add little more than soup bones to their diet. It ought to $14/hr.

Oh, wait. I forgot I'm being delusional in thinking everyone should have a living wage. :eyes:
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BluePatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:29 PM
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29. /makes $14.50 an hour, has BA
*weeps quietly
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:43 PM
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36. .
:hug:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:40 AM
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58. I feel for you.........
my daughter just graduated from College (one of the top 40 in the country) and is making $10.00 an hour right now. I spent well over $100,000 to send her to College for THIS? :wtf: Yeah, tell me about the benefits of a College education in the 'bush economic boom-times'. :eyes:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:00 PM
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27. It is pathetic
Oregon's minimum is $7.50 right now, many other states are similar. But until we get a strategy that includes confronting conservative economics so that people will realize the minimum wage is a good thing, I'm afraid this is the best we can hope for.
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:44 PM
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37. Oregon $7.50 ??!!
Damn, California is only $6.75. And we pay the 2nd highest gas prices in the nation. plus housing is out of reach. I pay $900.00 a month for a 600 sqft apartment.

ANOTHER proposed congressional pay raise ? You`ve got to be kidding, right ?! :rofl:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:58 PM
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39. We're indexed
Automatic cost of living adjustments. I think this year, finally, a family of 3 with a 40 hour min wage job would be above the poverty limit. We also have full min wage required for waitresses, so there's no $2.00 plus tips garbage either. Our economy is actually getting better, farmers have increased profits of something like 20% and restaurant owners have a 5% increase. Our unemployment is also down since the indexing a few years ago. If Congress deserves near-automatic pay raises, than so do the rest of us.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:38 PM
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35. Would you rather have $7.25 or $5.15?
A huge increase won't happen overnight, even if we controlled both houses of Congress & the presidency. $7.25 is a realistic increase and won't generate nearly as much resistance from moderates.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:10 PM
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40. Agreed, but at least its something
And it is a good election year tactic. "We don't get a raise until the lowest paid do"
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:24 PM
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15. Best thing Democrats have done all year, imo.
About time they grew a pair.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:29 PM
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17. Same here. Standing for something instead of appearing to whine. nt
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rep the dems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:25 PM
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16. This is wonderful.
A great way of saying "fuck you" to all those republican scumbags trying to make more money while leaving people who really need it out in the cold. It's also a good way of showing unconvinced voters that from now on, the democrats are going to stand up for themselves, something they have not done in a while.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:50 PM
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18. Good, that's the way to play
the 'game'. Do I dare to believe that the Democrats are FINALLY getting some starch in their backbones(??)time will tell.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:40 PM
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19. But will they follow through on it?
We've been here before and watched as the Democrats buckled under.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:06 PM
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20. Big fucking deal.
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 06:08 PM by Dave Reynolds
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lillilbigone Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:03 PM
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33. I'd like to refer you to the US Constitution.
The House AND the Senate have to pass bills and then the President has to sign them sign them before they become law.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:11 PM
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22. Hope they stick to their guns...this time! n/t
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:19 PM
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23. Too bad they didn't think of this years ago, before accepting major
pay increases over the years.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:13 PM
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24. Sounds good to me. nt
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:26 PM
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25. This really gives me hope. I hope they stick to this. I think it
could be huge. Remember what happened in Pennsylvania. People HATE politicians getting pay raises - I don't care what party you belong to.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:47 PM
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26. NOW they're talking. No pay raise for them until the lowest paid Americans
get their raise.

It's more than fair, it's simple justice.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:24 PM
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28. Excellent move - politically and otherwise.
:toast:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:44 PM
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30. People around here pay babysitters (teenagers) more than
that. It's a disgrace, and makes a mockery of the entire idea of a minimum wage.

I hope they will be able to hold firm and together on this -- no "moderates" jumping ship.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:18 AM
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60. When I was a teenager babysitting paid about 1/3 of min. wage.
I'm not sure that's right either, but it does make you wonder about why the inversion.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:31 PM
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63. a good babysitter...
is extremely difficult to find. One that understands your child, that your child wants to see, that you trust, that is available... presently my wife and i have one babysitter like this. I pay her what she asks (which is $8 an hour... quite reasonable, actually). We have paid $10 an hour before. I consider it money well spent... though we only hire a sitter 2 or 3 times a month. Mostly we trade babysitting with other parents we know.

I'm not sure why babysitters are hard to find. Maybe it's just become less popular? Or a more litigous society? Childcare centers have taken over? Dunno the cause...



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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:48 PM
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31. About time they stop the crooks.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:02 PM
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32. Why not just stop trying to sidestep the 27th Amendment?
That would pretty much solve the problem:

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.


From the day this was ratified, Congress has had "automatic" pay raises that are not legislative acts and thus do not invoke this amendment. Without the automatic pay raises, the Dems would have much more leverage.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:20 PM
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34. Goldstrike !!
And if they continue to put the spotlight where it belongs, stick to the talking points ONLY, refuse to pal gottcha with the talking heads, we just might get too close for them to be able to steal the election.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:54 PM
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38. Oh brother...If it takes 3 yrs to get +$2.10/hr. as min wage
Inflation will have further derided the dollar and today's $5.15 wage
will be the monetary equivalent of $7.25 in 09.'

So wheres the benefit?

Harry, get a grip- who do you think you're kidding?
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:13 PM
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41. Corporations will make up for the lost pay raises
The rewards the GOP receives in exchange for keeping wages down go far above their salaries.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:52 PM
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42. That is why I am still a Dem.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:36 PM
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45. HEAR HEAR!!!
give 'em hell HARRY! rich assed republicans! they also make the big salaries and use their connections to buy land and resell it for mass profits, and get involved in business deals that net them thousands or more!



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- check it out!
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:25 PM
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44. Well ALRIGHT THEN!!!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

lOOKS LIKE THET'RE NOT ONLY GROWING SPINES BUT SYMMETRICAL PAIRS OF GONADS, male and female!!
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:42 AM
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47. It is obscene to do otherwise
Don't forget, they get free healthcare.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:45 AM
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48. Well salt should be rubbed in on the $500 per platers when this
is over!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:18 AM
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52. i heard that if min. wage was increased as much as congress
has increased their own pay within the past ten years (i think it was ten years) the minimum wage would be over $23.00 an hour
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:23 AM
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53. Congressional pay should be cut if this isn't passed..
just as congressional health benefits should be eliminated until health-care is made universal. I hope this isn't just another backroom show, but becomes a fight that Republicans can never forget!
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:52 AM
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54. And suddenly the party finds its testacles. Right where they left them...
but hey, gotta start somewhere.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:18 AM
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55. Well Said
about G-D time. Perhaps we would be better off if Congress worked for minimum wage as well. One suspects it would be far higher than $5.15 per hour.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:06 PM
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65. Well, they also get bribes, so they'd be fine.
I mean... 'campaign contributions'. :)
Unfortunately I think that would just lead to rampant corruption, instead of the hastily covered up mutual backscratching that we have now.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:52 AM
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56. $7.25 by 2009 is a disgrace
I'm not sure it will even represent a real increase when inflation is taken into account.
Something like $12-$15 by 2009 would be reasonable.

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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:51 AM
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59. good tactic
I know it's theatre but I think it send the right message.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:33 AM
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61. P O P U L I S M!!! P O P U L I S M!!! P O P U L I S M!!!
Dems need to be shouting this from the rooftops and lighting up the skies with this message until it is burned into minds and checkbooks of America!! THIS is the wedge baby! THIS issue is the scalpel that will seperate America from the NeoRoveCon and cut the chord of hot button issues (flag burning amendment goes down in flames LMAO)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:32 PM
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64. Also see ***THIS THREAD*** - the minimum wage is set to break records
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2360932

"The federal minimum wage is gearing up to celebrate two new records. According to the Economic Policy Institute the minimum wage when adjusted for inflation is at its lowest level since 1955. The wage now stands 31 percent of the average hourly wage of nonsupervisory workers and has lost 25 percent of its value since 1997. With Congress voting down an increase last week, it looks like another record will be set when 2006 comes to an end - it will mark 10 years - the longest time the minimum has gone without an increase."
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:07 PM
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66. Backbone! I love it!
:bounce:
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