Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

NYT/AP: New Mexico Governor Richardson Decries Border Fence: "Monument to demagoguery"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:29 PM
Original message
NYT/AP: New Mexico Governor Richardson Decries Border Fence: "Monument to demagoguery"
New Mexico Governor Decries Border Fence
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: December 7, 2006

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Blasting House Republicans' proposals to control immigration as a ''monument to demagoguery,'' New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson urged the new Democratic Congress to pass a bill securing the border and enabling some illegal immigrants to gain citizenship.

The first step to fixing the immigration system should be reversing legislation signed this fall by President Bush authorizing a 700-mile fence at the Mexican border, said Richardson, who is eying a bid for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

''The Congress should abandon the fence, lock, stock and barrel,'' Richardson said Thursday in a speech at Georgetown University laying out a four-part plan for immigration overhaul. ''It flies in the face of America as a symbol of freedom.''

A Hispanic border governor, Richardson has been outspoken on immigration as Congress has struggled in the last year to deal with the nation's porous borders....

***

''Four realistic steps'' must be taken, Richardson said: Securing the border, increasing legal immigration, preventing employers from hiring illegal workers and providing a path to legalization.

''But we must understand that building a fence will not in any way accomplish that objective,'' he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-On-the-Trail.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. No Amnesty!! Build the WALL NOW!!!!.......AND
Make the DAMN MEXICAN GOVERNMENT responsible for IMPROVING working conditions and wages in their OWN COUNTRY for their OWN PEOPLE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. "Build the wall now"
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 12:49 PM by Ms. Clio
Oh, the exquisite irony.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall!"

Maybe if U.S. multinationals had not devastated native agriculture in Latin America, the people would not need to flee their land to find work.

The problem is far bigger than the Mexican government.

Why does this kind of talk always come from people who live nowhere near the border?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I've been on BOTH sides of the border and seen the horrible conditions..........
THE CORRUPT MEXICAN GOVERNMENT HAS ALLOWED TO OCCUR TO THE PEOPLE OF MEXICO. It is NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY of the USA to correct the ills of Mexico and its corrupt government. If YOU don't like the situation in Mexico, do something about IT, just like 'WE' don't like the situation in THIS COUNTRY and 'WE' are doing SOMETHING about IT.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I guess you believe that SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS MAKES YOUR POINT
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 01:03 PM by Ms. Clio
It does not. Multinationals, NAFTA and other trade agreements do not stop at our borders, and neither do the problems they cause for people on either side.

And I don't think you really know anything about day to day life on the border, as it's been for centuries.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. I have taken a trip through the shanty communities among the........
maquiladoras south of Tijuana, it is DISGUSTING!!! I used to represent a company that took advantage of the Mexican workers in those communities; after I saw the ABUSE I NO LONGER REPRESENTED THEM. America is failing and has its own serious problems; Mexico and the Mexican people have to put their OWN COUNTRY on the right path to prosperity. Your dog is beautiful!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. You are confusing those shanty communities with life as it has been lived along the Rio Grande
for centuries. For example, El Paso does a huge amount of business with shoppers from Juarez.

I'm sorry that you just don't understand that there is no distinction in these problems between "us" and "them" -- they stem directly from U.S. trade policies and multinationals that don't respect borders.

As the saying goes, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States."

Thanks for your nice compliment about my girl!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. Why not Mexico?
our government want to bring democracy to Iraq,why not Mexico,they are much closer and they also have oil?I live near the border anf d the gringos don't mind the cheap labor but they don't want them around after they work their butts off for slave wages,just plain racism.Yes you mimute men and minute hags,you are trailer pArk racist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. How many billion will it cost?
Doubt if Congress will okay those funds so the fence will never materialize.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:05 PM
Response to Original message
6. the Wall idea is a simple minded solution from a congress that can not
think about the real problems or who did not want to deal with them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
7. You're looking at it all wrong. It's not a fence; it's a contract
It's an adorable boondoggle. A bouncing baby billions awarded to...?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
8. Richardson's 4 steps
I think he's on the right track, overall...

1. Securing the border

That's what the fence guys are trying to do -- ineffectively and symbolically, but that's the nominal goal. Really, there's no good way to do this physically with a border the size of the USA's perimeter. That means we're basically looking at improved means of authentication for the authority to trade in goods and services once inside the perimeter.

2. increasing legal immigration

I like this idea, but I admit that I'm probably in a minority in this respect. For example, I think H1B visas are preferable to outsourcing, and better for everyone involved -- employee, employer, USA, and country of origin.

3. preventing employers from hiring illegal workers

THAT should be at the front of the line, since it's the crux of the whole problem, domestically. We need the INS to crack down on these cheap-labor addicts with the same misguided zeal that the DEA currently applies to illegal drug users.

4. providing a path to legalization

Seems to me, this is ultimately part of #2. We already have a well-defined process, it's called legal immigration. Now there are millions of illegals who are already here and have been here for decades, maybe these guys can be fast-tracked for legalization on some kind of general amnesty. Part of the process, though, needs to be a full accounting of who helped them get in, who hired them while they were here, and where they lived from time of entry to time of registration. Then, the INS can cross-reference this information and smoke out the big-time illegal employment racketeers, bust those operations wide open.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:41 PM
Response to Original message
12. If we took the money for the fence and invested in Mexico,
it'd do much more good. I saw this proposed and wish this was part of the debate. We provide huge amounts of aid to other countries that are ultimately not friendly toward us. Why not an aid program directed at helping Mexico build a better infrastructure? Help them build schools, roads, hospitals, and clean utilities. With the infrastructure and education in place, their economy will improve and they won't need to cross over into the US for jobs. It'd be cheaper in the long run (and probably the short run). It would also greatly improve the lives of those in Mexico stricken with poverty. The only reason that we aren't doing this is because we depend on the cheap labor here and there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 14th 2024, 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC