Duke Lacrosse Accuser gives birth (9 months after "rape")

Defense attorneys today filed a motion noting that lab reports showed the DNA of several unidentified men (not lacrosse players) in her body and underwear. Also today, local TV says that -- 9 months later -- the accuser has just given birth.

http://www.wral.com/news/10541437/detail.html

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The 27-year-old gave birth nine months after she alleges she was raped by three Duke University lacrosse players at a March 13 team party.
After the party, she was taken to a local hospital to be examined.

A defense attorney tells WRAL that a test taken at the hospital showed that she was not pregnant at the time of the party and that she was given emergency contraception commonly referred to as the morning-after pill.

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This week, attorneys in the case filed a motion in which they said male DNA from multiple sources was found on the accuser, but none from their clients. In another motion, they ask that the judge presiding over the case throw out the photographic lineup in which she identified the defendants, saying the IDs were the result of a "tainted procedure."

At the time of the alleged incident, the woman, a divorced mother of two, had worked for an escort service to help support her children and to pay for classes at North Carolina Central University.

but if I was that girls boyfriend, I'd request paternity test

vive le difference and all that.

You are caring about a boyfriend, if one exists, and that's a loving thing. :hi: MKJ

but there has always been a boyfriend associated in this case. at least he has been mentioned in the press from the beginning, as in the story here they called his house

a paternity test would be a very practical matter for him in any case

If that kid is one of the rapers' they're gonna pay for eighteen years for it.

If I were that young woman, I'd get justice.

except that this time even Al Sharpton has avoided this case since it began to collapse.

I read an article in Rolling Stone about this school and it doesn't speak well of "culture" there. I could believe anything at this point.

Pledging unconditional support for anyone before all the facts are in is manifestly unwise.

regardless.

Many other people could have benefited from that same money.

for people who *should* be heading off to prison for knowingly and maliciously filing false charges of rape. Maybe Jesse Jackson will fund her defense team. She'll need one.

n/t

probably best to tread very carefully until the criminal case is resolved....

and it turns out shes got DNA from men other than the LAX players in her drawers, and testimony from a cabbie that she was dropped off at hotels for her, um performances in the days prior to the alleged rape.

The "Um" is the implication.

You are too judgemental by half, for me. MKJ

hence the baby. Or are you suggesting immaculate conception?

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she herself told the police she had been sexually active with her boyfriend the week prior to the incident. She got pregnant which I believe commonly occurs after sexual relations, if thats not being too judgemental.

I have no idea how other mens DNA ended up in her panties though

accused not show up? Come on - I cannot believe this case has gone this far.

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.. from basic medical knowledge that just because she's given birth '9 months later' - the pregnancy is not a result of that particular evening ? Especially since she was given the morning-after meds in the ER?

Pregnancies don't last exactly 9 months to-the-day, as any woman who's ever been there can tell you, and also it would be foolish to assume that the one who raped her is the one who knocked her up.


:shrug:

and it raises the question of how could the victim of such a violent assault had consensual intercourse in its aftermath.

I keep saying that this is another Tawana Brawley case, and that Gayle is nothing but a liar!

Do some research. No DNA from the accused was found on the young woman's person. All the extensive DNA testing conducted, clears them.

A lack of semen doesn't necessarily exclude sexual assualt IMO.

from lacrosse players. I don't know who that baby's daddy is, but it's a pretty safe bet lacrosse players had absolutely nothing to do with the conception.

that all the DNA evidence so far is from private labs, the DA has kept his cards fairly close on this one.

He recently admitted he hadn't even interviewed the accuser. This is a case of malicious prosecution.

Private labs are better than public labs performing under the aegis of someone whose career depends on him not finding exculpatory evidence.

Read up on this cad. He has a history that's most instructive.

Peace.

IMHO, is criminal.

private lab.
:eyes:

we'll probably never really know the truth.

Doesn't she have other children as well? Or am I mistaken in having read that?

apparently doesn't use Birth Control

presumably she used some form of birth control up until this pregnancy. If she got pregnant soon after the party, I suppose it could have been done on purpose, for whatever reason.

There are no rapers. There was NO DNA match of any of the players. She herself said they did not use condoms and ejactulated. This is nothing but a train wreck.....................

...the rule in certain people's* minds, when it comes to men accused of sex offenses against women, is not only "guilty until proven innocent," but also "guilty even after being proven innocent." :eyes:

*NOTE: I am not saying all people of a particular gender or political position.

And what recourse will these young men have? For ruined lives, cost, and all the rest?

although I really, really doubt that their lives will be ruined by this. If they don't all go on to the six-figure salaries that their class entitles them to, I'll eat a big, steaming pile of dog poo.

They were kicked out of school, and good defense attornies do not come cheap. This will hang over their heads for the rest of their lives.

This truly makes me mad - it keeps women that have truly been attacked from coming forth everytime some idiot like this woman does this.

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No matches

1. Why were only 3 out of the 12 items tested included in the final report?

The lab performed DNA tests on more than a dozen items, but its final report to prosecutors in May included analyses of only three items, the motion said.

2. Why was DNA Security, the company who did the tests, so hot to get involved in the case?

DNA Security lab director Brian Meehan said he could "possibly adjust prices because they would really like to be involved in case."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-duke14dec14,1,1933012.story?coll=la-news-a_section

in which case it would make sense they would be willing to adjust their prices.

doing shows to figure out who the father is.

Do you have a personal stake in this? You are very passionate with your opinions. I remember when it all went down you seemed to be in just about every thread that had anything to do with it.

He could have the entire team on and make it a week-long marathon.

I saw some show on there where a woman had drug I think 13 men in and none of them were the father.

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6283138,00.html

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OK, just because you earn minimum wage does not make you a deadbeat. People earning minimum wage already have it hard enough without being dubbed "deadbeats" because they don't have rich parents to send them off to Duke or some other bastion of monied privilege.

She's only had three kids, and you're calling her a "baby-making machine?" She's 27--being a mother of three at that age is not strange, at least not here in North Carolina--maybe in Orange County, but in Durham, it's not that strange. Somebody has to have kids to make up for all the rich trophy wives who don't ever decide to have any kids because they don't want to damage their figures.

Why are folks so ready to pass judgment on a woman for having a child? I live in Durham, and know a lot of black women who are single, with and without kids, some of whom are high-earning professional women with a lot going for them who have a hard time finding someone suitable to be a father and a husband.

When 67% of black children in America are born out of wedlock, it's a social problem that we need to address. I don't think, however, that we should condemn someone we don't personally know for an area of their life that is so personal--after all, isn't that the sort of tolerance that informs most of our views on issues such as gay marriage and abortion?

There's nothing wrong with working minimum wage. There's also nothing necessarily wrong with being divorced and raising kids.

It is wrong when you're having more kids, out of wedlock, and your primary means of providing support for them is working nights as an escort.

OK, so I don't know anything about this person, and perhaps it's wrong to level criticism. But I also have no sympathy to those who act without planning or considering the future. Those children are going to grow up in a broken home most likely. And when mom gets too old and flabby to be an escort, where will they be?

I feel sympathy for those who make wise choices in life, and work hard, yet still struggle to make ends meet. I don't have any sympathy for people who do stupid things, and this woman has got a definite problem.

Some struggle harder than others. It has always been and will always be. That's no reason to condemn them for fullfilling one of the fundamental purposes of life. Reproduction must not be limited to those who struggle the least. I'm pretty sure Darwin would agree.

How - and why? What's wrong with a kid being born out of "wedlock?"

That sounds like something Pat Robertson would harp about.

Not to get all personal, but my parents were divorced when I was three, and so I was raised without a father in the home. There's nothing morally wrong (to me, anyway) with kids being born out of wedlock. The problems are entirely practical--whether the cause of being a single parent is divorce, unwed motherhood or being widowed, it can be hard on kids when one parent has to try to provide the financial, emotional and material support a family might ordinarily do with two. I don't care if the parents are married to each other (though that certainly works), or that they be a man and a woman (as Robertson would have it), but it helps when there are two of them.

Oh, and I use the phrase "out of wedlock" here because I was trying to avoid some of the other, uglier phrases that get bandied about, i.e. "illegitimacy."

What I was saying was that, in the aggregate, it is a social problem when 67% of kids in any given group don't have 2 parents in the home. I have a 2 year-old son, just one, and I am quite sure it would be much, much harder to raise him without my wife. When I first heard, a few years ago, the statistic that 67% of black children were born out of wedlock, I didn't believe it, I thought it had been a statistic made up by David Duke or something, because this certainly does not describe the black families I knew growing up. Anyway, the statistic is true, and has been true for years. I describe this as a social problem (not a moral one, as Robertson would have it) because it is, and has been recognized as such here and elsewhere.

How? I don't know. We do know that the Republican "welfare queen" theory was (and is) completely and totally wrong and asinine--poor people don't have more kids to get more benefits. The why, though, is simple: it is often a lot easier on kids, and moms (though there are exceptions, naturally) when they have another parent to help them. If I could, I would offer as proof the haggard expression my own single mom wore throughout my childhood, but please just take my word on that one, as it's just a memory, as I never took a photo of it.

You would think that calling people who earn minimum wage "deadbeats," and a black woman who had three kids by age 27 a "baby making machine," would be far more offensive than anything I said. Anyway, my point was that we can be aware that there are important social problems associated with issues such as unwed motherhood without making pat, ugly and cruel moral distinctions about given individuals, about whom we know every little.

"Babymaking machine?" "Future minimum wage deadbeats?"

Why not just call her a welfare queen and be done with it.

:argh:

our beloved DU starts to resemble Free Republic. This case should be decided by our justice system. Instead, we get all kinds of half-assed speculation and accusations. Much of it fueled, sadly, by thinly veiled sexism and bigotry.
Look. We have one of the best justice systems in the world. Flawed, yes. And we're right to want justice for everyone.
But this kind of tabloid sensationalism is dragging us down.
Let the machinery do its job. Let a jury, if it comes to that, decide.
Point out the mistakes made by the district attorney's office if you feel qualified to do so.
Just stop with the "baby machine" comments and the snide comments.
It's very disheartening.

They have no place in a discussion of this case, at least in this forum. But I don't agree that the case or the issues it raises should not be a topic for a public discussion. Our judicial system is so remarkable in part because it is transparent. Much of the details that are being discussed are known to the public because our law requires them to be released.

Personally I would rather the discussion focus on the prosecutor, since he is the one who works ostensibly for "we the people".

class and racially based hatred shown towards the accused players.

Not a story that brings out the best in people.

in the news about this case, it should have never GONE to a jury.

... In a response to reports that the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case gave birth recently, UNC Health care issued a statement at about 1:30 p.m. saying that the woman is at UNC Hospitals for care related to her pregnancy but has not given birth ...
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/521773.html

Exciting salacious gossip! Why, it's ... it's ... oops! Never mind ...

Let's see - March 13th to February. I guess she's having the world's longest pregnancy and they want a DNA test! LOL

:rofl:

If this were a white girl, she'd be sainted by now.

pathetic....

The hate wing of the Republican Party is just the icing.

In some ways, I'm glad our great civil rights leaders have passed on -- so they won't have to see this shame. I come from short brown Central American people myself although no one can tell from looking at me. But I always try to learn from my people.

The United States has sunk into yet another period of hatred.

We just need to know that. This culture is full of hatred right now. Hatred looking for an object. This lady just got caught up in their mess.

in my nearing five decades here and it is sad and sick that this is the 21st Century. No elected black Americans who are republican in the United States House or Senate. 21st century. Speaks volumes for that racist bigory that I believe drives this party occupying the Oval Office and it's supporters. Iraq = "brown people who commited 9/11"...I swear it is white royal inbreeding.....:sarcasm:

I am a green eyed blond who's partner of the last 26 years is a person of color. She has taught me volumes about "looking different" in 'amurika'.

Deep deep trouble is right. She and I are very vocal about the racism and bigotry that is up front locally and politically in America now. This is the 21st Century sfxpat2000....:puke:

Thanks so much for your excellent efforts at DU. Many are paying attention, we just do not post that much!

Paul

That's what we do. This wave of hatred is the challenge of our generation.

They are messing with the wrong people.

My best to you and yours.

Beth

and HOPE to all who really read these forums sfexpat2000.

:thumbsup:

Stellar efforts here, many, many thanks to you.

We are ALL one people. All of us.

Paul

Come on! Give us a break. Her race has nothing to do with it - the fact that this case has enough holes to be swiss cheese IS.

has been victimized by bigots whether she was raped or not.

And no, I will not give you a break.

are the wrongly accused Lacrosse players.

The only person we know is a wrongdoer is that piece of shit Nifong.

that this woman has been pilloried for everything from her skin color to her job and for weeks.

So no, we know much more than that.

This isn't about a single event. This is about a level of racism so entrenched in this culture, we may be beyond salvation.

All that happened BEFORE anyone noticed inconsistencies in the story.

BEFORE.

So, fine. Point the finger at the stupid DA. He is such a minor part of this problem, he's barely a blip.

about the woman's "skin color". On the other hand, a LOT has been said about these young men being "white and rich".

Just in case, welcome to my ignore list.

from the very beginning. It was never about race except how the media portrayed it. It was about truth.

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and committed a crime.

There's NO chance that the Duke players raped her.

It's not victimization if the accusations were right.

Just like the gal who accused Kobe Bryant got sainted.

:sarcasm:

:hi:

This DA is totally out of control.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/521793.html

and this is one of those cases.

Nifong's conspiracy to withhold exculpatory DNA lab resuls from the defense and the public is enough grounds for a disciplinary hearing.

BTW, how long are we going to keep from mentioning the name of the accuser--she is a liar and her false charges have harmed rape victims.

by 3-5 men who weren't on the team. Could her brain have been a little scrambled that night? You bet.

Unfortunately, Nifong's abuse of office and demagoguery make that determination impossible.

If the DNA matches none of the accused, then they must be innocent. Though the accused could have been misidentified, since eyewitness IDS can be inaccurate.

Isn't there still the possibility that the rape was done with a foreign object or with condoms or orally?

Where are all those protests (lynch mobs) now?

Is that a way of saying if a woman is not a virgin, she cannot be raped? I'm not sure I understand what the OP is implying. :shrug: