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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:00 PM
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AP: (Roundup)-resistant weed worries farmers
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MONSTER_WEED

Dec 18, 9:29 PM EST

Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers

By ELLIOTT MINOR
Associated Press Writer

TIFTON, Ga. (AP) -- The cotton industry is concerned about the discovery of a herbicide-resistant weed that spreads easily, can grow an inch a day even during droughts and could force farmers to return to older growing methods that were harsher on the environment.

"It is potentially the worse threat since the boll weevil," said Alan York, weed scientist at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, referring to the voracious beetle that devastated Southern cotton crops in the early 1900s and forced farmers to switch to alternatives such as peanuts.

...

The weed that is causing concern is Palmer amaranth, a type of pig weed that grows 6 to 10 feet tall. Amaranth that resists the most common herbicide used in cotton, glyphostate, has been confirmed in 10 of North Carolina's 100 counties, four of Georgia's 159 counties and is suspected in Tennessee, South Carolina and Arkansas, scientists say.

If someone were trying to design a particularly nasty weed, Palmer amaranth could be the model, York said.

"It's an extremely competitive weed," he said. "It's extremely prolific. It's an efficient ... bad weed."

In Georgia, where the weed has been confirmed in 48 fields, amaranth took over some fields and the cotton had to be cut down, rather than harvested, said University of Georgia weed scientist Stanley Culpepper. The weed can damage cotton pickers, the huge machines that pluck the world's leading natural fiber from the cotton bolls.

Glyphostate is sold under several brand names, but the leading product is Roundup, made by Monsanto.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:03 PM
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1. gee, what a surprise-- I'm shocked, I tell you....
Natural selection is such a bitch.
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:26 AM
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19. but is it a native weed? or an invader?
Kudzu anybody?
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Katzenjammer Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:56 AM
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25. And this is such a novel development, too. There's never been such an adaptation in the history of
the world! "How Could Anyone Have Known?"™
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:39 AM
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28. No one could have predicted this, right?
Even when we started putting GMOs out there that
were specifically bread to be resistant to Round-Up.

Tesha
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:22 PM
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40. I believe the memo was entitled "Herbicides To Select For Resistant Strains"
:eyes:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:04 PM
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2. "Older growing methods that were harsher on the environment??"
What's harsher on the environment than this chemical crap??

:shrug:

NGU.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:11 PM
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3. Probably chemical crap that's been banned for years.
Doesn't DDT fall into that category?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:45 AM
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10. DDT is a pesticide
not an herbicide.

There is a big difference between chemicals designed to kill plants and chemicals designed to kill animals.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:15 AM
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14. Thanks, XemaSab. I do remember those trucks being around
and I did get cancer, perhaps from one of them. I know it's illegal, but didn't know/think what it was used for.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:34 PM
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33. DDT is an insecticide. Herbicides and insecticides are both pesticides.
Pesticides include herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, rodenticides,etc.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:33 PM
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5. Before Roundup, the answer to the weeds was cultivation
Or a seasonally appropriate answer

Hoe, Hoe, Hoe.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:46 AM
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11. Infamous "cotton chopping"
of many an African-American and poor white narrative.
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:24 AM
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18. older , harsher, chemical crap with long lifetimes
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:31 PM
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32. Other herbicides and more tillage, I suspect.
Use of Roundup ready crops has reduced the need for some other herbicides and allows more use of no-till production, because Roundup helps control perennial weeds which are a problem in no-till production.

That said, this was predictable. It is outrageous that Monsanto has been allowed to market Roundup Ready crops without a viable plan to control the development of resistance. At the least, alternation with a non Roundup Ready crop at least every third year or so should have been required and every other year would have been better.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:48 PM
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34. Atrazine springs to mind
My dad used to use that when he was younger, and it's a nasty, nasty herbicide.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:24 PM
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4. Where is our modern G. W. Carver to discover a use for this 'weed'?
Use yer heads, people! There must be SOMETHING it's good for!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:33 PM
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6. Good point; or something non-lethal to get rid of it. nt
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:40 PM
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8. No need for Carver: amaranth is an edible grain
Edited on Mon Dec-18-06 11:42 PM by Gormy Cuss
I checked to be sure and Palmer amaranth is one variety used traditionally in the Americas as grain.
http://www.delange.org/Amaranth/Amaranth.htm

Palmer Amaranth
Amaranthus palmeri Amaranth Family ( Amaranthaceae ), Palmer Amaranth. Also known as .

An erect summer annual that usually reaches 6 1/2 feet tall. Some have been seen as tall as 15 feet. It is considered a weedy herb.

However, in Mexico, the seeds are dried, mixed with honey and baked. This produces a very nutritious sweet, food that is very highly prized as a candy in Mexico. We will include photos of such a candy factory in Tlaxcala, near Mexico City.

Amaranth was so necessary to both the religion and nutrition of the Aztecs that it was one of the four grains considered as acceptable tribute from outlying parts of the empire, the other three being corn, beans and chia. The Mendocino Codex indicates that the equivalent of the modern measure of 4,000 tons of amaranth a year arrived in Tenochtitlan.

The leaves and seeds of the amaranth plant are still characteristic ingredients in Mexican cuisine, especially in the states of Morelos, Mexico, Puebla, Tlaxcala, and particularly Oaxaca, where the plant is widely cultivated as a valuable cash crop, worth four times more per kilo than corn. This is understandable, given the fact that amaranth provides a high quality protein, with a nearly perfect balance of essential amino acids, including abundant lysine and methionine, not found in most grains.

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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:03 AM
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26. Amaranth is an amazing plant.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 10:53 AM
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30. Yes, hardly a weed in most instances.
Between the tasty and high protein edible grain varietiess and the gorgeous flowering varieties, it is a pretty amazing plant.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:49 AM
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12. Ethanol! Syngas! Biomass!
:bounce:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 04:46 PM
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36. Exactly!
:bounce:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:40 PM
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7. Go Monsanto, going places where no one should.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:54 AM
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17. Monsanto: bringing the Colour Out of Space to your dinner table
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:38 AM
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9. There are other things that Roundup doesn't kill easily
I've heard that Field Bindweed is nearly impossible to kill -- a poster on the gardenweb forums could only kill it by soaking part of the live plant in a jar of roundup, continuously, for weeks. It's a certainty that there are even more weeds lurking out there that are hard to control. I'm sure the Monsantos of the world just look at those "new" weeds as new opportunities to sell more toxic crap. It's little wonder they support the Repub's "regulatory reform".
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:54 AM
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13. If aramanth grows so easily in harsh environments, it sounds like a good alcohol crop.
Maybe it produces a lot of ethyl?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:17 AM
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15. NOBODY could have predicted this
Fucking Monsanto......

:grr:
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:18 PM
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38. yeah -- what part of "evolution" and "propagule dispersal" ...
... don't they understand? (These are both concepts which were extensively researched by Darwin and many other biologists since then ... one would think that a so-called "biotech" company would know at least as much about this kind of thing as the average 8th-grader. Even the non-science students have learned about things like "pollination" before they hit high school.)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:25 PM
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39. Just ask Percy Schmeiser...
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:24 AM
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16. this deserves a fifth rec please--n/t
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:36 AM
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20. Agriculture is obviously playing a very dangerous game with the Roundup-ready crops...
One of these days, we're going to lose. The pesticide/herbicide treadmill and GMO crops are inevitably going to lead to a negative outcome. The lack of diversity makes our crops very susceptible to pathogens. This world just gets scarier by the day.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:50 AM
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21. gosh, are we back to pulling weeds by hand?
What a concept. :shrug:
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:57 AM
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22. Yeah , and pay 2-3 times as much for our dinner
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:28 AM
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23. return to "harsher" methods" ?
Cotton already is notorious for using more insecticides than any other crop.

How much more toxic can you make it? And on top of that, factor in all chemicals that manufacturers are adding to cotton clothing in order to make it wrinkle-resistant and stain-resistant. We're drowning in poisons here.

What about alternatives? For example, hemp. But then, that would make too much sense and not enuf cash for the cotton barons.

http://www.hempbasics.com/index.php/content/view/8/55/

"Hemp requires no pesticides, no herbicides, and only moderate amounts of fertilizer".

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:51 AM
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24. One more good reason
to legalize industrial hemp, which grows anywhere and is pest resistant.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:33 AM
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27. While I'm no fan of Monsanto...
... most of these post demonstrate a stunning ignorance of glyphosates, their uses and environmental impact.

There is no patent on glyspohates, many folks make it and it is cheap.

Comparing glyphosates to something like DDT is simply wrong. It is not a particularly toxic chemical, to humans or wildlife, only to growing plants. It decomposes quickly in the soil, is only active on the green growth of the plant.

If you think cultivation is not harmful to the soil, you know jack-all about farming.

I don't farm, but I do maintain some land. Glyphosates are invaluable for killing of stuff like poison ivy and unwanted volunteer bermuda grass that pops up from time to time.

Knee-jerk reactions to everything are not helpful. If I could shut down Monsanto's gene-manipulation business in plants tomorrow I would, because I believe the risks are greater than the rewards. No sane rational person in posession of the FACTS can say that about RoundUp.

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:06 PM
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35. The only issue I have here is the Roundup Ready Cotton
The problem with genetically altering plants such as this is they can (and have) escaped into the wild. They claim they're sterile but from early on with their soybeans that proved to be not exactly true.

This in turn creates a new strain of "weed" that has to be combated down the road. There is some irony that a simple pigweed is causing Monsanto such grief, and possibly profits, by naturally being what they've genetically altered so many other plants to become, Roundup resistant.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:16 PM
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37. I agree with you..
... the GM crops are a disaster waiting to happen. Eventually, they will create a superweed that nothing can stop.

But Roundup, the chemical itself, is pretty benign stuff.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:32 AM
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29. Start growing hemp!
The plant is much sturdier, and it can be used for so many more things.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 10:57 AM
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31. uh, yeah, that'll happen. Plant adapt & change to survive...
Gosh, what's that called...?
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