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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:27 PM
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Long-Rumored Shuffle of Generals Expected
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 09:49 PM by DoYouEverWonder
December 20, 2006

WASHINGTON -- A shuffle of top American generals in Iraq is likely to accompany the shift in U.S. policy that President Bush is considering.

Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, has submitted plans to go ahead with a retirement that is months overdue, according to the U.S. Central Command.

And the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, has indicated in recent months that he also may not stay much longer than the end of this year.

Since they have opposed sending more troops to Iraq, their departures could make it easier for Bush and his new Defense Secretary Robert Gates to switch course in the troubled campaign, where they are considering a short-term surge in forces.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-us-generals-iraq,0,3768236.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

When Rummie became SOD, most of the generals who disagreed with him left the military and he was left with his yes men. Now it looks the ones who hung in there with Rummie are bailing out too. Who the heck is going to be left to run the military at this point?

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:30 PM
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1. A shuffle or a purge?
A Boston newspaper reported tonight that Abizaid is retiring ahead of schedule.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:32 PM
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3. Because purging the generals always works out so well.
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 09:33 PM by Jim__
Has this idiot ever opened a history book?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 09:50 AM
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31. the intellectual equivalent of the Bushist deck of cards--the man needs a CD for Katrina
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 07:52 AM
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10. Oh, have no doubt, it's a purge.
This is a neocon last gasp and they will pack the upper ranks with those yes-men who will strongly support MORE TROOPS and a 100-year war. The neocons do not want to give up the goose that lays golden eggs (Iraq). They will do everything they can to reach into the future with their traitorous, war-profiteering schemes.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:31 PM
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2. New West Point grads might be running things before you know it. This
is getting more dire.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:34 PM
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4. It'll probably be Heritage Foundation Grads
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 10:38 AM
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13. Well, putting a 2LT in charge couldn't make things *worse* at this point.. (nt)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:35 PM
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5. whow.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:37 PM
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6. The Rise of Napoleon Bonaparte 1769 - 1805
....and this could happen here in the U.S.

<snip>
Undoubted genius, megalomaniac, general, statesman and ruthless dictator, Napoleon Bonaparte is one of the most flamboyant and controversial characters in world history. In 20 years from the base of revolutionary France he transformed Europe into a largely personal Empire - but his eventual fall was as fast as his meteoric rise to power. To the French for a time he was a superstar, to Europe's monarchies he was 'the enemy of humanity'. His legacy is perhaps the foundation of modern Europe. This Entry traces the major events in the life of the 'little corporal1' that led him to power in France.

The Early Years

Napoleon Bonaparte was born to a middle class family in Ajaccio, on the Mediterranean island of Corsica on 15 August, 1769. Corsica had only just been sold to France by the Italian republic of Genoa and so he was not of French origin2, indeed French was always to remain a second language to him. This has led to comparisons with Adolf Hitler, who also became the supreme leader of a country other than his birth nation. His formative years were quiet for a man who would come to dominate Europe. He was an avid reader and workaholic, proving highly capable in areas such as mathematics (a talent that led to him training as an officer in the French artillery. This was the platform from which he began his rise through the military ranks.

Corsica is an island that to this day has a proud and independent tradition. But in the late-18th Century it sat uneasily in the power of the Bourbon dynasty, headed by the doomed Louis XVI. This led the young Napoleon to have natural leanings towards the revolutionary fervour that was sweeping France and its territories at this time.

The French Revolution

In the latter half of the 18th Century, the French people became progressively unhappy about their treatment at the hands of the rich and decadent nobility. In 1789 a National Assembly in Paris defied the King, representatives of the nobility and the church to demand far-reaching reform of an unfair administration. That summer, the citizens of Paris rose and famously stormed the Bastille prison, starting a chain of events that would see King Louis imprisoned and eventually executed. In 1792 France was declared a Republic by a radical revolutionary government. Their motto was 'Liberté, egalité et fraternité3'. During this turbulent period, France was ruled by various groupings; most famously, for a time, by a bloody regime under the Jacobin group led by Maximilien Robespierre.

The French Revolution removed a lot of the barriers to progress that once prevented the lower classes from attaining positions of influence and power in France. For a man of skill, charisma and talent such as young Bonaparte, this allowed a career progression that would not have been previously possible.<...>


Boney was a Warrior

By 1796 Prussia and England had abandoned the coalition leaving Austria alone against France. There were two main theatres of campaign, one in Germany and one in Italy under the command of Bonaparte. This was regarded as the poorer of the two campaigning armies, essentially a ragtag mob, and he was not expected to do well. The authorities regarded him with not a little wariness as he was a rising star and was perceived as a growing threat by those in the top echelons of leadership. However, they needed a general of his quality in charge and this campaign saw him roar forth as an unstoppable, raging bull.

His energy and leadership skills led to a retraining of his new army, making them far more battle-ready and disciplined. In addition, during the campaigning in northern Italy, he allowed his troops free reign to loot, pillage and live off the countryside. This made him popular with them and incredibly popular back in France where war booty was restoring wealth back to a country impoverished by revolution and war6. Furthermore, Napoleon was now recognised as a general and tactician of almost unparalleled brilliance. His armies stunned the Austrians with victory after victory and soon he had thrown them out of Italy altogether - bringing it under French control. He was never far from the action himself, earning his nickname 'the little corporal'7. All this had been achieved with a smaller army than their enemy, by a combination of inventive tactics, swift manoeuvering, daring and not a little hard fighting.

The campaigning of Napoleon in northern Italy led to the Austrians demanding peace and he now acted without consulting Paris. He signed a treaty with Austria on his own authority which established several Italian republics to be governed by the Italians themselves. For this, he is seen by some as the first person to move Italy towards unification8. His belief in himself as a man of destiny had grown and he now behaved like a king. The French leadership was now on full alert to this successful general with a fiercely loyal army at his back. He was also a celebrity in France, having brought glory and the spoils of a victorious war to their country.
<MORE>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2946017
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:37 PM
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7. Ugh. Our country is SO fucked! (nt)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:47 PM
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8. "No Military Hope, So Send More Troops" by W. Patrick Lang & Ray McGovern
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:03 PM
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9. "Let’s send more troops to Iraq so we can pull our troops out of Iraq"
Very good article, you should post it in Editorials.

:-)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 08:53 AM
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11. Replacing those who know better with those who sympathize with the bu$h
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 09:55 AM
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12. "oh dear, I believe they are rearranging the deck chairs again"...
said the rich bastard to the other rich bastard on the Titanic.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 10:41 AM
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14. Purge and Surge
It'll be the new mantra heading into the new year.

Bush does not play well with dissent.


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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 11:11 AM
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15. I just finished reading Woodward's "State of Denial", and ...
... I guesstimate that he spends fully 1/3 of the book describing how the WH and Rumsfeld do absolutly nothing except play with personnel charts, rotating people in and out of positions (with preference given, of course, to true believers).

The shuffling did/does absolutly nothing substantive (in regards to Iraq) except give them the sense that they are accomplishing something.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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16. Abizaid, (and Casey?) Top U.S. Mideast Commander During Iraq War, to Retire
Abizaid, Top U.S. Mideast Commander During Iraq War, to Retire

By Tony Capaccio

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- General John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East during most of the Iraq war, said today that he will retire in mid-March.

Abizaid has opposed a major increase in U.S. troops in Iraq -- an idea President George W. Bush is considering -- saying extra forces would only increase Iraqis' dependency on U.S. forces and strain a U.S. military that's already stretched.

Abizaid, at a press conference in Baghdad today, said ``the time is right'' for his retirement and ``it has nothing to do with dissatisfaction'' with U.S. strategy in the war. Abizaid was with new Defense Secretary Robert Gates who's in Iraq to reassess that strategy.

Abizaid, 55, is the longest-serving head of the U.S. Central Command, with authority over more than 200,000 U.S. troops in the Middle East, South Asia and the Horn of Africa. He began in July 2003 what was supposed to be a 3-year stint in the post and agreed to stay on until early 2007 at the request of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, said Major Matt McLaughlin, a Centcom spokesman.

Testifying at a Nov. 15 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Abizaid said he did ``not believe that more American troops right now is the solution'' to quelling the sectarian violence in Iraq, now at an all-time high.

More:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRkNGw.LPui0&refer=home


See also:

Abizaid, Casey Retiring
By: Nicole Belle on Thursday, December 21st, 2006 at 10:38 AM - PST

I've heard two different takes on this from former military whose opinions I respect. One thought that this was the act of a dutiful officer who wanted to get out of the way so that Gates could bring in his own men. The other–and the one that I tend to lean towards myself–thought that their retirement at this point was a statement against the White House's refusal to listen to the boots on the ground and push for increasing troops in Iraq. What do you think?

Worldlink.com:

New Defense Secretary Robert Gates arrived in Baghdad today, armed with a mandate from President Bush to help forge a new Iraq war strategy. He made the unannounced trip to the battlefront just two days after taking over at the Pentagon.

<..>The visit comes in advance of a long-expected shuffle in commanders.

Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, has submitted plans to go ahead with a retirement that is months overdue, according to a statement today from the Central Command in Tampa, Fla. His three-year term as chief of the Central Command was to have ended in July but a spokesman said he agreed to stay until "early 2007" at the request of former defense chief Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, has indicated in recent months that he also may not stay much beyond the end of this year.

More:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/21/abizaid-casey-retiring/
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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17. bush will get 'HIS surge' and ANYONE that gets in HIS way...........
Edited on Thu Dec-21-06 03:40 PM by Double T
will be kicked to the curb or suddenly retired. When will the military draft be reinstated??
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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18. McCain, "I'm such a Maverick, I'll suggest something SO CRAZY, nobody would ever agree with me." n/t
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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20. 'great minds' think alike
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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19. nobody wants to stand on thin ice with the monkey king...
...except McCain.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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21. I'm reading Fiasco right now
General Myers was led around on a leash by Rumsfeld who he refused to stand up to, and has been utterly miserable dealing with that vermin. Interesting read. Everyone who talked to Myers privately said he would literally put his head on his desk when Rumsefeld's name came up and call him an 'idiot' who wouldn't listen, who played politics with every decision, who micromanaged everything into the ground, and always found someone else to blame when he screwed everything up.

He should have resigned in protest prior to this time. They ALL should have resigned in protest until Smirk either hired someone who wasnt a psychopath as SecDef
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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22. I think I will go by the library on the way home
I was going to read 1% Doctrine but I think I need to read Fiasco
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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23. I started not to get it because I have some issues with Woodward
and his first two books on LordGawdBush.

I would have to say he has redeemed himself, for me at least, in the first 150 pages.

Its kinda scary to read it because, ya know, all those things we say on DU about Bush being an idiot, and completely out of touch? We're wrong. Its way way way way worse than that. He's a fucking imbecile and to say he's out of touch doesn't do justice to the fact that he apparently is on a different planet.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 05:13 AM
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28. I have zero respect for Myers
Edited on Fri Dec-22-06 05:13 AM by DoYouEverWonder
The guy is friggin' general for crying out loud. He needs to grow a spine and check back in when he's ready to tell the truth about these bastards.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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24. Time for him to get on the arms corporation consulting gravy train
Retiring at 55, he has a good 10 or 15 years to capitalize on his connections and get filthy rich.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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26. He knows he only has a short time before Bush pushes the button. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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25. it is an understanding with the WH
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tom22 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:35 AM
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27. What the Hell
kind of a general 'Retires' during the middle of a war? Is this what Eisenhower, Marshall, Grant or Sherman did? This is pathetic. Just like Tommy Franks running away from the war. where the hell do these people come from? what sort of pathetic character are out service academies turning out?
Abizaid disagrees with Bush's strategy of reinforcing failure to be announced next month. and he runs away and retires. What exactly are the troops supposed to think when the top general runs away. disgraceful.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 05:14 AM
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29. Good point
It's like the captain of a ship bailing and leaving his crew members to fend for themselves. What brave men these leaders are, not.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 09:49 AM
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30. Just like coward, incompetent Tommy Franks.
Led his army to "victory" by seizing the Baghdad Airport and hauled ass before the battle had even begun. Franks was in so much of a hurry planning the victory parades that he forgot to secure the ammo dump at Al Qaa Qaa. Incredibly stupid violations of the principles of war, most notably security. For his cowardice and incompetence, Franks was awarded a Freedom Medal, a civilian award, by Bush.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 10:28 AM
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32. NPR said Abizaid tried to retire two years ago, but Rumsferatu
made him stick it out.

I think the new leadership might be a problem of conceding to the Chimperor if they feel like they need to "make their bones" or whatever the expression is.
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