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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:12 PM
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Tancredo wins surprise immigration vote (Affecting Sanctuary Cities)
Source: Denver Rocky Mountain News

The U.S. House of Representatives this morning voted to withhold federal emergency services funding for "sanctuary cities" that protect illegal immigrants.

Anti-immmigration champion Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., sponsored the measure, which he says would apply to cities such as Denver and Boulder. He was elated by its passage, which stunned critics and supporters alike.

The Littleton Republican's amendment to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill appears to have no language specifically defining a sanctuary city. Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper has long disputed giving the city that label.

"The issue has come to fruition," Tancredo said by cell phone after the vote. "The people of the country really have spoken. It's a really good indicator of just how much closer to the people the House is than the Senate is."



Read more: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5587755,00.html
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:17 PM
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1. Bulls***! That's such rot. The people of the USA are not full of hate like Tancredo!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:21 PM
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2. I don't know about that
gauging from some of the posts I see on DU....
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:23 PM
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3. You have a point. I've been trying to skip the 'discussions' of immigration reform here.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Most of DU will jump for joy.
I find it very sad that 50 Democrats voted for it.

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camden Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. Perhaps you haven't lost your job and health insurance...
If you had lost both, you might feel a touch more sympathy for
your fellow citizens and legal immigrants than you do for the
swarming masses of illegal aliens. If not, then what about the
security problems posed by millions of folks crossing the
border without detection.  With all due respect, are you
nuts?!    
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. That is just bullsh**.
My goodness where did all this hate and fear come from?

Never mind, I know. Rush, Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...they did a good job.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. People aren't losing their jobs to illegal immigrants.
If anything, they're losing their jobs to outsourcing.

Illegal immigrants are just scapegoats.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Where the hell do you live?
Not in any community with a slaughterhouse or factory farm, apparently.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:04 AM
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45. You are wrong.
Here in Kerr COunty Texas people ARE shut out of home construction jobs. My husband is a builder and we have men showing up at our house looking for work every week. These men have lost their jobs to illegals who are hired at ten dollars an hour rather than 15-20 dollars per hour. It is pure greed on the contractors' part. These are not jobs to give to the lame excuse "these are jobs Americans won't take". The men showing up at our door are men who have worked in the industry for twenty years. They're skilled and do good work....so why would they not be getting the jobs except for the fact the illegals are cheaper?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:51 PM
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:15 AM
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30. I feel equal sympathy for "my fellow citizens and legal residents"
as I do for the "swarming masses" of illegal immigrants, and foreigners generally.

You think foreigners are some sort of inferior life form?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
39. And your anger should be directed at the employers who hire them
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 02:07 PM by proud2Blib
rather than at the people they knowingly hire.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #39
50. DING-DING-DING! We have a winner!!!
Why take on good honest 'Murican employers with every means at their disposal to determine whether or not their employees are actually legitimate immigrants, when it's easier to blame disenfranchised poor families who sneak across the border to survive? After all, we know they can't afford lobbyists.

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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. Would you apply this same principal to
the "SCABS" that cross picket-lines and take striking union workers jobs?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:30 PM
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43. There are no "swarming masses"
There are human beings trying to better their lives.

If the Mexican government were not corrupt, if wealth and income inequality were not so severe, if "free trade" wasn't a scam to put money in the pockets of wealthy corporations, we would not see this mass immigration

The problem is poverty, injustice and lack of jobs in Mexico.

Illegal immigration will not be fixed until Mexico is fixed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:28 PM
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5. I want to know who the 50 Democrats are who voted for that.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:30 PM by madfloridian
While Governor Dean is speaking of compassion....50 Democrats are voting to punish cities who care for their fellow human beings.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1346
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:35 PM
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6. Heres the vote:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Blue dogs mostly....some New Dems
I have not got them listed as a group yet. I am sick inside.

Patrick Murphy, Gillibrand, Giffords, Ron Klein??, Lampson, Mahoney.

I could go on, but I am too angry.

Why in the hell did they do this?
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #8
35. Why in the hell did they do this?
You asked madfloridian....

Why in the hell did so many DEMS in the Senate enable Shrub's war funding to continue?

It has lead many of us that have worked so hard for the Democratic party to ask:

Why is the party we have worked for and stood with for years leaving us? Or at least placating the middle...?


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
40. Phew my blue dog Dem congressman voted no
One of the few votes of his I can agree with.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Boyda voted yes, though.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. No surprise there
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Me, too. This is federalism at its worst.
Unbelievable.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:05 PM
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9. Before you get in an uproar, read this part again
"appears to have no language specifically defining a sanctuary city"

The provision can't be enforced if there's no definition.

The courts will send it back to Congress to have a definition attached to the provision. That won't happen until after the 2008 elections and by then the Democrats will have a solid majority and can easily remove the provision.

No harm, no foul.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. No Democrat should play games like that with people's lives.
No emergency funds if the city is helping immigrants? Who gets to make that decision at the last minute when it matters.

If I had any doubt that the Blue Dogs and New Dems were more like Republicans than Democrats that hope faded today.

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:26 PM
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11. Something else to consider
No court in the country would allow this to be enforced.

Nor would any administration who wanted to stay in power.

Look at what Katrina did to Bush.
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rmgarrette64 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Not sure the courts have a role
No court in the country would allow this to be enforced.

Budgets and funding are up to the legislative branch. The courts don't really have a lot to say about it.

Nor would any administration who wanted to stay in power.

On the other hand, this is entirely correct.

R. Garrett
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. Katrina did something to Bush?
It doesn't look like his policies are being overturned
or effectively obstructed to me, and he and his admin
are still thumbing their noses at Congress and the law.

So.. what's changed?

I don't count things like polls or talk.. Bushinc certainly
doesn't.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. Wrong, it's all harm and most foul and 49 "Democrats" agreed to sign their names to this POS! nt
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
52. Alternately until then, it can be more easily enforced. Or forgotten about. (nt)
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:00 PM
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13. Dems are making deals with the Repugs but at what costs.
The Dems in congress sold out our service men and women in
Iraq and Afghanistan by giving the Decider his war funding
because, I believe, that Pelosi, et. al., were going to get
the Immigration Reform (including amnesty or path to
citizenship) in return.  But she was betrayed no matter what
public drama the dry Bush attempted to feign.  Pelosi needs to
get tough and tougher and treat the Repugs in congress the
same way the Dems were isolated from making laws in favor of
the working poor (legal and illegal) and middle class of our
country.  Her idealism got the best of her and I quote: “I
accept this gavel in the spirit of partnership, not
partisanship, and look forward to working with you on behalf
of the American people,” Pelosi said in a speech to colleagues
and the nation. “In this House, we may belong to different
parties, but we serve one country.” In the interest of the
country over-criminalizing undocumented workers; separating
parents from their U.S. born children; goes beyond human
decency.  Further, putting so-called sanctuary cities in
danger by not giving them the funds they need to protect
themselves against terrorist attacks is criminal - even if it
was a symbolic act.  I say, Pelosi take the gloves off and
fight for human decency!

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fazoolius_2006 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:59 PM
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18. Not sure about denying emergency services, but...
is there anyone that really supports sanctuary cities? I am all for enforcement of the law and if you are here illegally, then why should there be cities that protect you. I would have taken a different approach than Tancredo, but I think the sanctuary city policy is something that needs to be addressed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Can you name "sanctuary" cities? I think they made it up.
I don't know any called by that name.

Tancredo is nuts on this topic, and 50 democrats went along.

And DU is beoming just as bad as CU or FR on the topic of immigration.

The GOP propaganda machine worked well, didn't it.
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fazoolius_2006 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. San Fransisco is a sanctuary city for sure.
The mayor has openly admitted it. I don't think it is something the GOP dreamed up but they have definitely gotten their hands all over it.
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fazoolius_2006 Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Link to firt thing I found on Google
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #28
49. Find a source that doesn't advertise The Minutemen.
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 09:53 AM by Bridget Burke
(Graphics that don't give you a headache are a bonus!)

Houston is on the list. It hasn't named itself a "Sanctuary City." But the Houston police don't examine the "papers" of every witness & crime victim. Nor even those accused of misdemeanors. Felony suspects are processed by the Feds.

The HPD says it has too much work to do--let the Feds do their job. And doesn't want to make people afraid to call them.



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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
36. "And DU is beoming just as bad as CU or FR on the topic of immigration. "
You are right about that.

While most anti-immigration posts here are not overtly racist, they certainly have nothing good to say about immigrants. The constant reference it to "illegals", but the main complaint is the effect on jobs and wages which would be true of legal immigrants, as well - supply and demand, you know. I haven't seen too many anti-immigration posters who would welcome 12 million new legal immigrants, if we could deport the 12 million illegal immigrants who are here now. So much for the "rule of law" argument.

When reading some of the posts here bashing immigrants, I do check to make sure that my browser hasn't been hijacked by a virus and transported me to Freeperville. ;)
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. The laws are symbolic and unenforceable!
"Husak and Solum, legal theorists and philosophers, argue
that laws on immigration are part of a broad pattern. In
recent decades, they say, Congress has passed innumerable
laws that no one seriously expects will be enforced. Such
laws largely seem to serve symbolic purposes and are often
designed to placate some powerful constituency --
conservatives in the case of immigration, or the
entertainment industry in the case of laws that seek to deter
people from swapping copyrighted music and movies.

"No one is so stupid as to think police are going to go
out and round up 12 million illegal immigrants," said
Husak, at Rutgers University.

The consequence of symbolic lawmaking is
over-criminalization, which turns out to be as difficult a
problem to deal with in the long run as crime itself.

June 4, 2007 - Washington Post (DC)
Department Of Human Behavior:
Out Of Unenforceable Laws, Amnesties Are Born
By Shankar Vedantam

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #18
32. So-called sanctuary cities...
Are cities where local law enforcement has decided not to enforce federal immigration laws, i.e. not demanding that a crime victim prove his immigration status.

Why would police do that? Because they are more concerned with being able to work in and with immigrant communities than enforcing federal immigration law. That's the feds' job. If immigrants think they are going to be deported for reporting crimes to police or talking to police as witnesses, they won't talk to police, and crimes go unsolved.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #18
41. My first thought was this would hamper things cities do to help immigrants
like the cities who set up a day labor site so immigrants don't stand in the street or spend their days on the sidewalks waiting for work. In my city, they set up a day labor center and even assigned a cop to be there every day. The crime rate is down, the workers are not blocking traffic in the streets or on the sidewalks and littering is way down. Plus there are services available to the workers like English classes. The savings in resources far outweighs the costs of running the center.

But then again, I guess Tancredo just wants all these immigrants in the streets. :eyes:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:09 PM
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23. Tan-whit-HITER *also* won elections or whatever the CHEENEE we're talking about!!1 n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:28 PM
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25. Funny how Dems never won any "surprise votes" when they were the minority
Ha ha.

Funny.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #25
34. It makes ya think . . . n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:45 PM
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26. A year ago, Tancredo and other immigration foes unveiled billboards in


.........aces a vote tonight in the House, then later in the Senate. It must also be signed by the President before it becomes law.

A year ago, Tancredo and other immigration foes unveiled billboards in Denver, including one with a mock declaration: "Welcome to SANCTUARY CITY . . . Relax, you made it! Brought to you by Executive Order 116."

The billboard was referring to a 1998 order issued by former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb that outlines the city's anti-discrimination stance regarding immigrants.

"There are no ordinances, executive orders or regulations that establish a 'sanctuary policy' in Denver," the mayor's spokesperson, Lindy Eichenbaum-Lent, said at the time.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:12 AM
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29. Tom Tancredo admitted he suffered from mental illness, maybe he still does.
What happened to Tom Tancredo when he was growing up that
caused him to hate the immigrant and the bi-lingual speaker? 
His hatred and loathing must have been encouraged by someone,
but whom, when he was in college.  Can anyone let me in on his
story?  I found this on wikipedia (I know, it's not the most
reliable source): "Tancredo was born in Denver, Colorado
to Adeline Lombardi and Gerald Tancredo. Both sets of his
grandparents immigrated from Italy.[2] He graduated from the
University of Northern Colorado with a degree in political
science. While in college, Tancredo was active with the
College Republicans and a conservative, non-partisan
organization, Young Americans for Freedom (YAF). Tancredo was
in favor of the Vietnam War and spoke in support of the
conflict as a Republican student activist. He became eligible
to serve in Vietnam After graduating from the University of
Northern Colorado in June 1969. Tancredo eventually received a
"1-Y" mental health deferment after telling doctors
during his physical that he had a history of mental illness
and had been treated for depression.[3] In 1976, while
teaching history at Drake Junior High School in Denver, he ran
for and won a seat in the Colorado House of Representatives.
He served two terms (1977-1981) and was one of the leaders of
a vocal group of conservative legislators opposing the
policies of Colorado Governor Dick Lamm[4]. During the 1970s,
Tancredo pioneered opposition to bilingual education, an issue
that would remain a feature of his political
orientation."

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Mental illness regarding depression: low self-esteem
Means he has to try to cobble his self esteem together from stuff that takes no effort, like being born in the U.S. or being white.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:23 AM
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33. So, does this mean FEMA won't respond to those cities in an emergency
as they responded to the Gulf Coast? :eyes:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:38 PM
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37. This sounds awful
Even regardless of one's views on immigration, to use emergency services funding as a weapon is the absolute lowest of the low.

I can't believe Dems voted for it - was there something else attached to the bill?

Tancredo sounds revolting!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 02:06 PM
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38. OMG He is actually depriving money from his home district?
What a fucking frootloop.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #38
48. Denver/Boulder isn't Tancredo's home district n/t
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:19 PM
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42. HOORAY!
It's about time these un-American cities have to PAY for giving the finger to our federal government! This isn't a hate/race issue, it's a matter of OBEYING THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY. Whether you like them or not, laws are NOT optional.

Welcome to America--just come here legally. Thank you.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. what? you loco? Mr. ojo
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:13 PM
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51. It's the House of Representatives sending a sign
to the Senate, that even if you do cobble together an immigration bill, we're going to smack it down on this side of Congress. It serves to tell lawmakers in the Senate: "Don't hang your neck out there for nothing."
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:44 PM
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53. Way to go Tancredo! al-Qaeda thinks you're the tops!
:sarcasm:

Take emergency money away from A-list targets like San Francisco, and BOOM! We're back in business!

I think I'll send you a case of that 5-alarm Tora Bora chili you like so much...

once more, :sarcasm:
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