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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:14 PM Original message |
Lech Walesa calls Venezuela's Chavez a demagogue |
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NoodleBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm suspicious of anyone who asks for the right to rule by fiat, and gets it. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Chavez, an elected president, asked for rule by decree powers on economic issues |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. If I'm not mistaken, Hitler asked to rule too. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Did you mean Alan Garcia of Peru, perchance? |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Does that go for Pinochet, too? |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Arms dealing's still big businees for Poland. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So, in other words, you are saying Nobel Laureate Lech Walesa... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. No, but I'd say |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. He isn't even in power! He even resigned from Solidarity because it supported a con party! |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Look, take it however you like. |
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pork medley (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. henry kissinger won a nobel prize |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. Henry fucking Kissinger was a Nobel Laureate for crissakes |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Lech Walensa would never support oppression |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. Walesa: the man that abolished abortion rights and gay rights in "free and democratic" Poland |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Thank you for rubbing some of the glitter off of ... |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Gay rights in Communist Poland!? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Polish women no longer have abortion rights, and LGBTs are openly persecuted |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. You seem to believe that there were gays rights under the communists. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. There were no gay rights anywhere under European communism |
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pschoeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Incorrenct, for example East Germany |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
64. did the club have special showers? |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. I brought that up awhile back and was roundly flamed for it. |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
9. Huh? |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
10. "eventually will have to pay for his populist policies"? |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. Walesa needs to get back to investigating the TeleTubbies |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. Walesa calling Chavez a demagogue |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
15. This is ludicrous. Walesa complaining about populism?! |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
17. Walesa's accusations make little sense, like many statements of the Bush |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. The dark threat to Hugo Chavez coming from a right-winger reminds us of the Miami |
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Orrin_73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. What a dissapointment the eastern european anti commies |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:22 AM Response to Original message |
20. "Pay for everything he has done" |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Glad you reminded us. Those people scaled new heights of creativity carrying out |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. The last thing "he's done" is provide free eye care for 110 people |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Oh, he's got no shame at all! First we heard of the UN announcing they had whipped |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
23. look whose talking! - Walesa knows all about demagogue |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. There's something weird about this report. Did you read the article? |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Lech is probably getting paid to speak out - Cuba & Venz. are on |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The poor, sick, dazed bastard should have taken the time to learn the U.S. has had an embargo |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. thanks |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. No, I thought maybe I had. These are BushCo talking points. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
26. Has Lech comment on bush yet? Or is that off limits? |
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pschoeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
28. Considering Lech is in Peru getting an award from a Presisdent |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. And he's shilling for globalization. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
36. Little discussed info. concerning Lech Walesa which got lost in the right-wing clamor |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. ...and didn't Walesa throw Poland's doors open to neoliberalism when he took over? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Not exactly the action of a man who claimed he had cast his lot with the working man, was it? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Walesa and neoliberalism |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. accused the Jews of “satanic greed” which “were the cause of communism and World War II.” |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. That's so diseased. Not hard to grasp which side he would have favored in the 2nd World War. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
43. Gee, wasn't this the same thing said about Walesa back in the day? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
44. Says the superstitious peasant (n/t) |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
45. Lalalala, whistle whistle... n/t |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
48. Poland; "we've never made it secret that we're in it for Iraq's oil" |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Holy Smokes! Would NEVER have known this if you hadn't replayed it for us. |
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sanskritwarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
50. WOW Lech Walesa is the bad guy |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. See post 51. Chavez is anti-neoliberal and Walesa is neoliberal. |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Really, what is so amazing about that? |
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sanskritwarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Excuse me what crime has been committed? |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Hopefully on a different board. n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. B-b-b-b-but he is a Nobel Peace Prize winner! That means he is incapable of speaking anything but |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Ah but the good news ... |
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junior college (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
53. This is why we shouldn't name streets after people while their still alive. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Not a moment too soon, either! Good luck. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
56. It sounds like Walesa is siding with the oligarchs. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
61. F*UCK YOU WALESA. Who are you to decide what belongs to the people or not? nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
62. Meet the kettle you fucking pot! |
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HannibalBarca (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
66. Hugo is above reproach |
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