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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:04 PM
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Scientists take step to making synthetic life
Source: Yahoo News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Scientists have taken a first step toward making synthetic life by transferring genetic material from one bacterium into another, transforming the second microbe into a copy of the first.

They intend to use their technique to custom-design bacteria to perform functions such as producing artificial fuel or cleaning up toxic waste, the researchers report in Friday's issue of the journal Science.

"This is equivalent to changing a Macintosh computer to a PC by inserting a new piece of software," Craig Venter, a genome pioneer who now heads his own institute in Rockville, Maryland, told reporters in a telephone briefing.

"I think eventually we could make artificial cells," Venter added. "This is a first step."

Venter has been trying for years to create a microbe from scratch. This is not quite it, but his team re-programmed one species of bacteria by adding in the genetic material from a closely related species.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070628/ts_nm/genes_synthetic_dc
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:13 PM
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1. They've been manipulating genetic material in e coli for years
tricking the bacteria to produce everything from insulin to vaccines.

It's a far cry from that to building a cell from the protein chains that primordial goo creates in hours. It took the earth about three billion years to accomplish it.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:51 PM
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2. Actually....
Evidence points to cellular life developing very quickly on earth, only about 250 million years after the earth's crust formed, or about 4.25 billion years ago.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:56 PM
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3. True, it just took forever for multicellular life to establish itself...
Single celled life dominated this planet for far longer than the entire history and evolution of multicellular life.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:05 PM
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8. That work is going on too.
> It's a far cry from that to building a cell from the
> protein chains that primordial goo creates in hours.

That work is going on too. There's at least one project
under way to construct, DNA base-pair by DNA base-pair,
a completely artificial bacterium built from ordinary
chemicals by humans.

In that case, we really would be creating life from scratch.

'Wonder what the god-mongers will say when that happens?

Tesha
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:50 PM
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10. C'mon, you don't really wonder, do you?
"Wonder what the god-mongers will say when that happens?"

I know what they will say. They'll say: oh yeah, but you're just COPYING the code that God already created. You didn't WRITE it yourself, or invent the language. That's what they'll say.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:51 PM
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15. They're going to call us "Microsoft"???? Damn! (NT)
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:01 PM
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4. We're A Very Long Way From That Goal
I'd appreciate it if everyone would ignore Venter, he's a grandiose narcissist who embarrasses many scientists. The fundamental questions about how life works haven't been answered to anyone's satisfaction and won't be for a good century yet.

Sure, we can manipulate life in some crude ways, but compared to any machine that engineers have ever devised, the simplest living cell is enormously subtle and complex, the ultimate in nano-technology.

Life has had billions of years to become as compact and efficient as possible down the the atomic scale, and to take advantage of every possible subtle law of physics.

Which is lucky for me, else I'd be out of a job! :-)
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:41 AM
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7. Venter does make one take this with a grain of salt.
However, he has been successful by having a talented staff and they have managed to get their findings through the peer review process.

Now we are a long way away from "designer bacteria", but I think we are much closer to random synthetic life.
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:33 PM
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9. Ah, Peer Review
The aura of peer review sort of wears off once you realize how much crap they publish in Science, believe me.

I'm working in a field which is not unrelated to Venters own and let me tell you, we are a LONG way from anything that could be properly called "synthetic life".

Here's an analogy for what his group's done:

Imagine that the Planet of the Apes has come true, and we're a bunch of cavemen with access to ancient cars, trying to understand how a modern internal combustion engine works.

After a century of painstaking research, Professor Thog has finally taken the engine from a Toyota Camry, successfully put it into a Ford, and started the "new car" up.

The next day Professor Thog holds a press conference and announces that cavemankind is only weeks away from mass producing our own cars.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Craig Venter...
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:26 PM
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11. oh, I'm not defending Venter at all.
The guy has an ego the size of Jupiter and the whole patent thing is ridiculous.

As for how close we are, if you're working in that field, then I defer to you. I'm just going by the research I've seen published to date.
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:35 PM
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12. Please Don't Take My Word For It
Just consider that for even the simplest form of life, a tiny aquatic organism called Mycoplasma, we have NO idea what one-third of the 450 genes necessary for its survival are doing, and a VERY limited understanding of many of the others.

And this tiny single cell, an object one-hundredth the width of a human hair, is at LEAST as complex as a Boeing 767, in terms of the number of parts, the interactions between parts, and the mechanisms by which it's controlled.

And most life on Earth is MUCH more complex than that.

Like I said, I'll be employed for a long time yet ;-)
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:14 PM
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5. Is this really a good idea?
When I see stories like this, it reminds me of Jeff Goldblum's character from Jurassic Park. "Your scientists were so pre-occupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should."
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:26 AM
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6. There already is synthetic life... Republicans
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rcdean Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:06 PM
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13. This is NOT "creating life"
It's the crude manipulation of microbes. Big difference. We're not even close to knowing how to "create" life.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:15 PM
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14. Oh Great That's All We Need.
More escaped Bio Microbes gone haywire. :eyes:
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