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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:06 PM
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Fitzgerald eyed perjury early for Libby
Source: AP

Fitzgerald eyed perjury early for Libby
By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer

Midway through his CIA leak investigation, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was pretty sure of two things: First, he wasn't going to charge White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby with revealing a covert operative. And second, he thought Libby's testimony was a bunch of lies.

Documents unsealed in the case Friday revealed that when Fitzgerald subpoenaed New York Times reporter Judith Miller in 2005, he was already building a perjury and obstruction case against Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney.

"Libby's account of conversations has been largely inconsistent with every other material witness to date," Fitzgerald wrote in court documents.

Libby was convicted in March of lying and obstructing Fitzgerald's investigation. He faces 2 1/2 years in prison unless an appeals court steps in to delay the sentence. He is the only person charged in the case.

Libby's allies have called for a pardon, largely because Libby was not the source for the 2003 newspaper article outing CIA operative Valerie Plame. They accuse Fitzgerald of running amok and using the leak investigation to trap Libby into a perjury case.

The documents unsealed Friday cut both ways.

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Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070629/ap_on_go_ot/cia_leak_4;_ylt=AufVKUcHMHQWvv29Zt0px5YE1vAI
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:32 PM
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1. The article says Fitz had no proof Libby knew Plame was covert!
Just as I suspected!

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The documents unsealed Friday cut both ways.

On one hand, they show that Fitzgerald had no evidence that Libby knew Plame was a covert officer — and thus he could not be charged under a federal law protecting her identity. On the other hand, they show that Fitzgerald believed Libby might have violated a different law protecting national defense information.

Fitzgerald never charged Libby — or anyone else — with either of those crimes.

But the documents show that Fitzgerald suspected Libby's grand jury testimony and statements to the FBI were false. That was a big part of why Fitzgerald insisted that Miller testify before his grand jury.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 10:11 PM
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2. As far as he was himself concerned then, Libby's lies were wasted.
Wonder if they really helped anyone else.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 12:14 AM
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3. What is really interesting is the two pages that remain
redacted around the issue of Rove. I hope the two newspapers continue to press through FOIA to have those pages made public as well.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 07:24 AM
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4. Republicans on perjury:
Current Senator Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) – "There is no serious question that perjury and obstruction of justice are high crimes and misdemeanors...Indeed, our own Senate precedent establishes that perjury is a high crime and misdemeanor...The crimes of perjury and obstruction of justice are public crimes threatening the administration of justice."

Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) – "Perjury and obstruction of justice are serious offenses which must not be tolerated by anyone in our society."

Senator Sam Brownback (R- KS) – "Perjury and obstruction of justice are crimes against the state. Perjury goes directly against the truth-finding function of the judicial branch of government."

Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-AZ) – "I believe there is ample evidence that felonious conduct -- and perjury is a felony -- falls well within the bounds of what our forefathers intended the phrase 'high crimes and misdemeanors' to include."

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) – "Lying under oath is perjury, plain and simple," said Rep. J.D. Hayworth, R-Ariz. "Can you imagine what happens in court when you suddenly eliminate perjury, if you say you can make exceptions for perjury? . . . For me, it's just a very fundamental question."


Many more at the link.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/in_their_own_wo.php

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 08:33 AM
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5. Classic AP "he said/she said" lying bullshit in defense of this fascist regime!
AP never disappoints. They always find a way to represent extremist rightwing views as normal and arguable and respectable. They've done it, time and again, on Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. And they're doing it here. "The documents unsealed Friday cut both ways." Look at how they set this up. What does "both ways" mean? On the one hand, Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction, after a lengthy trial, in which he was defended by a team of big name, highly paid lawyers. He lied to the FBI. He lied to the Grand Jury. He deliberately obstructed the investigation of a serious crime with disinformation--made up stories, designed to throw the prosecutors off the trail. Convicted by a jury, and given a stiff sentence by a conservative judge. And, on the other hand, "Fitzgerald" is "running amok" and "used" the investigation to "TRAP" Libby! This "on the other hand" is straight from the people who brought you a 100% pack of lies to justify the Iraq War, the widespread torture of prisoners, a tortured legal memo about what torture is, indefinite detention without trial based on an invented "power" of the President to designate thousands of people in a new way, as "enemy combatants," in order to deny them the human rights of "prisoners of war, secret prisons in middle Europe, shredding of the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, pervasive domestic spying without a warrant, even when they can get a warrant after the fact, hundreds of presidential "signing statements" (writing their own laws), Bush-Cheney defiance of Congressional subpoenas, their shredding of the U.S. Constitution, their hiring/firing of US Attorneys in order to influence elections, and Cheney asserting that the vice president's office is not part of the Executive branch of government, in order to avoid preserving and disclosing public documents. And that doesn't even begin to exhaust the extremist, fascist, tyrannical actions and policies of this regime, and the rabid rightwing minority that spews its twisted view of the law as anything Bush/Cheney say it is.

Fitzgerald "run amok" is NOT a reasonable position. It's the position of people who wantonly torture and kill and lie. It is worthy of the worst abuses of the legal system in Germany during Hitler's reign--in which the law was twisted and twisted and twisted around, until it "justified" massive oppression and death, against Jews and others.

A prosecutor can only try and convict on what he has sufficient evidence for. If a major player in a criminal conspiracy lies and obstructs, the prosecutor is PREVENTED FROM obtaining sufficient evidence to nail the perps on the crime that the conspiracy is COVERING UP. He may KNOW that a crime was committed--that Valerie Plame, a covert CIA agent, was deliberately outed, along with her entire WMD counter-proliferation network. But he cannot PROVE it, in the face of lies and obstruction.

The people who are "defending" Libby and claiming that Fitzgerald "ran amok" are defending a criminal conspiracy. They are defending the very obstruction that prevented cracking of the case. They are defending FELONIES in further of a crime that many believe was treasonous. And to say that the "documents unsealed Friday cut both ways" is to assert that their crazy extremist, twisted view of the matter is equivalent to the combined, lawful, tenacious, careful, detailed conclusions of the top prosecution team in the Justice Department, a Republican judge, and THREE juries! (--two Grand Juries, and the Libby trial jury).

This is bullshit! And it is a classic case of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies' promotion of unreasonable fascist views. It ought to be studied. We all need to think about it. Of the various techniques these corporate news monopolies have used to promote fascist views and war, this is one of the most insidious. We see it in the presence of Ann Coulter on TV as a "political commentator." She is not a "political commentator." She is a foaming at the mouth nutjob. WHAT is she doing on our public airwaves? WHO is permitting her to suck up the air that should be devoted to reasonable and wide spectrum political discussion? WHY are her extremist views given such prominence, and EQUATED WITH the views of reasonable, responsible, thoughtful politicians, public advocates and other commentators? There should be NO "he said/she said" equivalence in this case. This "freak show"--Ann Coulter--should NOT be given such air time. And the same goes for the freakish, rightwing, extremist view that Fitzgerald was wrong, and was "running amok," to pursue a deliberate liar and obstructionist in serious case of government misconduct that put our own agents' lives at risk.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 08:47 AM
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6. k&r
I'll recommend this thread and I recommend Peace Patriot's analysis.
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