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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:03 PM
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Intel Officials: Surge Not Working
Source: MSNBC

From NBC’s Andrea Mitchell and Libby Leist

Intelligence officials told Congress today that the surge has not yet controlled the violence enough to permit political reconciliation to work.

So far, it has been a bleak assessment on Iraq from the intelligence community about political prospects in the country.

Dr. Thomas Fingar, deputy director of national intelligence, told Congress that the surge has not yet had a sufficient effect on the violence in order to move the country to a place where the serious obstacles for political reconciliation can occur. Fingar added it would be difficult to bridge the political divides.

...snip...

In his prepared testimony he said there has been little appreciable improvement in the political situation because of the surge.



Read more: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/11/265698.aspx



Don't forget, we're only at the starting line...
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:14 PM
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1. Yes, it's unfair to judge the surge at its start--we have to wait 'til September! nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:14 PM
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2. "OOooops. Guess I screwed up. Again. As usual." - Commander AWOL
Edited on Wed Jul-11-07 12:15 PM by SpiralHawk
"You were perhaps expecting something different from a C-student Connecticut preppy cheerleader deserter backed up by a war-profiteering VP clown with five military deferments?"

- Commander AWOL
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:16 PM
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3. No shit? Not working? Even with the 10,000 or so extra troops
they snuck over there? I mean, they announced a 20,500 man-power increase and I understand that they've sent over more than 30,000.

Stupid schmucks, let's throw some of their (bush** admin & republican) kids at this mess, see how long it lasts once their precious little hides are dodging bullets and praying not to be blown to bits by IEDs.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:29 PM
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4. There is one certainty for sure!
Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham aren't Intel Officials
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 02:22 PM
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5. Al Qaeda's Strength 'Undiminished' in Iraq
Source: ABC News

While the military has maintained that Al Qaeda is on the run in Iraq, by any number of measures the terror group and its affiliates are as strong as ever and June was the most violent month since the start of the war, a senior U.S. military official tells ABC News.

"Despite our successes in taking out leaders and infrastructure," said the official, "Al Qaeda's operational capability appears to be undiminished."

Al Qaeda operations are marked by the use of suicide bombers and the latest intelligence assessment shows that suicide attacks were near an all-time high in May and June. According to the report, Al Qaeda in Iraq is responsible for 15 percent of the attacks in the country, often the most deadly. Sunni insurgents are blamed for 70 percent of attacks, and Shia militias 15 percent. Shia attacks, however, have sharply increased and are now probably higher than 15 percent.

ABC News has learned the most recent military intelligence assessment of Iraq also shows that the overall level of violence in the country -- measured as the number of "violent incidents" -- hit its highest level in June since the war began.

According to the assessment, an average of 178 attacks a day were carried out in June. By comparison, there were only 94 attacks a day in March 2006, the month after the attack on the Golden Mosque in Samarra touched off a wave of sectarian violence.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3366118&page=1
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 02:22 PM
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6. What's up with these claims of an "Anbar miracle"?
It doesn't seem particularly less violent to me. Here's a quick search of Iraq Front News (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IraqFrontNews) for the last three weeks or so:

3917 Roundup of daily violence, Wednesday 4 July 2007
... police found beheaded body for unidentified man at Azban plain in Darbedikhan (66 km south of Suleimaniya in the north of Iraq). Anbar (110 km west of Baghdad) - A suicide wearing a vest bomb detonated himself in a famous tribal sheikh house west of Falluja two ...

Jul 4, 2007
6:41 pm
3847 Security Incidents for Tuesday, July 03, 07 (1) ...
... of two Marines in a non-hostile, unspecified accident in Al Anbar Province on Sunday, July 1st.(3) The DoD is announcing a new ... in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.Al Anbar Prv:#1: Two Marines assigned to Multi National Force-West died ...

Jul 3, 2007
7:43 pm
3832 Security developments in Iraq, July 3
... policemen in Kirkuk, police said. CAMP FALLUJA - Two U.S. soldiers died in a non-hostile related accident in Iraq's western Anbar province on Sunday, the U.S. military said. NEAR FALLUJA - A suicide car bomb targeting a prominent tribal leader in Falluja ...

Jul 3, 2007
10:30 am
3829 6 U.S. troops killed in Iraq violence
6 U.S. troops killed in Iraq violence Five U.S. soldiers and a Marine were killed in attacks in Baghdad and Iraq's Anbar and Salahuddin provinces, the military said Monday. (more) <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070702/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_casualties>

Jul 2, 2007
4:52 pm
3818 Five more US soldiers killed in Iraq
Five more US soldiers killed in Iraq Five more US soldiers have been killed in fighting in Baghdad and the western Iraqi province of Anbar in a single day, the military said on Monday. (more) <http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070702/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestustoll>

Jul 2, 2007
1:28 pm
3812 MNF-W forces attacked - 2 Soldiers and 1 Marine killed
... killed Two Soldiers and one Marine assigned to Multi National Force-West were killed July 1 while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar Province. (more) <http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12648 &Itemid=21>

Jul 2, 2007
12:46 pm
3805 Security developments in Iraq, July 2
... said it killed eight insurgents and arrested 99 others in the last 24 hours in other parts of Iraq, the Defence Ministry said. * Anbar - Two U.S. soldiers and one Marine were killed on Sunday during combat operations in western Anbar Province, the U.S. military ...


Jul 2, 2007
7:06 am
3791 Anbar province bombings kill seven Iraqi police officers
Anbar province bombings kill seven Iraqi police officers Explosions at police checkpoints in Iraq's western Anbar province killed at least seven Iraqi police today, with scattered violence elsewhere in Iraq resulting in the deaths of at least 15 ...

Jul 1, 2007
11:57 am
3759 Car bomb kills at least five in Ramadi-Iraq police
... least five in Ramadi-Iraq police A suicide car bomber killed five policemen in Ramadi on Sunday in the Sunni-dominated province of Anbar, Iraqi police said. Police Captain Abbas al-Dulaimi said the attack was aimed at a police station in the eastern side of Ramadi ...

Jul 1, 2007
8:54 am
3739 Security developments in Iraq, June 30
... FALLUJA - The U.S. military said it had uncovered 35 to 40 bodies in a mass grave south of Falluja, in Iraq's Sunni dominated Anbar province. * BAGHDAD - One U.S. soldier was killed and three wounded in southern Baghdad on Friday by a roadside bomb, the U ...

3591 Security developments in Iraq, June 27
... people were found in Baghdad on Tuesday. Most of victims were found in the western Karkh side of the Tigris river, police said. Anbar - A U.S. Marine was killed on Tuesday in combat in Anbar province, to the west of Baghdad, the U.S. military said on Wednesday ...

Jun 27, 2007
7:36 am
3577 Assassins kill 2 more tribal leaders in Baghdad
... through a tight security cordon Monday at the Mansour Hotel and detonated explosives that killed at least six members of the Anbar Salvation Council, a Sunni tribal coalition that had been cooperating with U.S. and Iraqi government forces. Among the dead ...

3515 Round-up of daily violence, Monday 25 June 2007
... a mile away from the Green Zone. The bombing killed 12 and 18 were injured. Among the dead Sheikh Fasal Al Guood, the former Anbar governor and a member of Al Anbar Salvation Council, and a well known Iraqi poet Raheem Al Maliki, Iraqi official TV said ...

Jun 25, 2007
9:17 am
3477 Offensives elsewhere, but Baghdad remains deadliest for U.S. troops
... Fallujah to the west of Baghdad, the Americans also have sought the help of Sunni smugglers and armed groups, including the Anbar Revolutionists, to help fight al Qaida in Iraq. Underscoring the inherent danger in such alliances _ and posing a long-term ...

Jun 24, 2007
4:23 pm
3476 Round-up of daily violence, Sunday 24 June 2007
... in Saidiya. - Three bodies were found in east Baghdad (Risafa bank); one in Kasra Watash, one in Sadr City, one in Sulaikh. Anbar (110 km west of Baghdad) - Sunday, two dead bodies were identified as two drivers from Falluja (63 km west of Baghdad) who were ...

Jun 24, 2007
4:23 pm
3389 'EFPs' a big threat to U.S. forces in Iraq - Walking safer than driving
... killed in a bombing in Baqubah. The military also reported Thursday that two Marines were killed Wednesday west of Baghdad in Al Anbar province. In addition, the military announced the death of a soldier Thursday in a rocket-propelled-grenade attack in north ...

Fallujah Patrol Finds Bombs on Ice Make Case for Exit
... the population of 350,000 has fled, city officials say. U.S. commanders say that many insurgents from Fallujah and the rest of Anbar province in Iraq's west have fled eastward to areas where Petraeus mounted a major offensive this week to root them out. The ...

3278 Fallujah security crackdown preventing access for aid workers
... day," Rabia'a said. "Too dangerous" Lt-Col Azize Abdel-Kader, a Defence Ministry official coordinating security operations in Anbar Province in which Fallujah is located, said the curfew - which runs from 6pm until 8am every day - was necessary to maintain ...

3240 Round-up of daily violence, Monday 18 June 2007
... citizen was killed and 20 were injured including police members in different attacks in Diyala province, Iraqi police said. Al Anbar - Around 6:30 a.m. a truck bomb exploded near Fallujah communications building in a market place in central Fallujah. A man ...

Jun 18, 2007
5:17 pm
3215 Roundup of violence in Iraq - 17 June 2007
... between the residents of Jizani Al Emam village, one of the villages of Khalis town and what is called the Islamic State of Iraq. Anbar -- Police sources in Falluja city said that a pregnant woman and her husband died and her mother and brother wounded when an ...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 02:34 PM
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7. Speaking of Anbar
I posted this back in Nov of 2006
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/underpants/82

It is based on a Marine report (linked there) that said that Anbar was basically lost or next to impossible to ever expect to actual WIN.

Some great posts in there
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 02:51 PM
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8. Extra credit to the "Intel officials" for stating obvious truths - a rare thing these days
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