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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:30 AM
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Gov. seeks to cut mental services for homeless
Source: L.A. Times

Schwarzenegger says ending the acclaimed program would save $55 million annually toward $3-billion budget gap.
By Lee Romney and Scott Gold, Times Staff Writers
July 14, 2007


A nationally lauded program that has helped thousands of mentally ill homeless men and women break the cycle of psychiatric hospitalization, jail time and street life is now on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's list of budget cuts. The governor has proposed eliminating Integrated Services for Homeless Adults With Serious Mental Illness, which receives $55 million annually, as part of his attempt to close a budget gap estimated at more than $3 billion.

Mental health advocates, clients and concerned legislators are lobbying fiercely to save the program, which served as the blueprint for California's ongoing efforts to radically retool the state's mental health system.

They have pledged to sue the administration if they fail, contending that the cut would violate the 2004 voter-approved Proposition 63, which aimed to remake the state's mental health system in the image of the homeless program's "whatever it takes" style of treatment, and prohibits the state from reducing mental health funding below its commitment at the time the measure passed.

Proposition 63 channels funds from a 1% income tax on Californians earning more than $1 million a year to mental health care and will ultimately bring billions of dollars into a starved system. But advocates fear that the gains will be neutralized if successful existing programs are cut with the other hand.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-mental14jul14,1,3043707.story?track=rss



For those in California, perhaps this might affect you or someone you know.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:36 AM
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1. This is simply idiotic. nt
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:26 AM
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11. How reaganesque.
n/t
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:27 PM
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16. I'm afraid to ask...but...
..you *are* calling the program to slash the budget for mental health care for the homeless "reaganesque," and not me, right?

:shrug:
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Spacemom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:46 AM
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2. Won't it be so much better for the wealthy
when all the poor people die off and quit whining?

:sarcasm:

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:48 AM
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3. I was about to write, "If Schwartzenegger has a brain in his head..." but then
realized it was Schwartzenegger we're talking about...
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:06 AM
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4. Well Reagan kicked them all out on the streets in the first place.
I guess Arnie is just trying to follow in his footsteps.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:07 AM
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5. Always the first to be dumped on.
They don't vote, don'tcha know. :eyes:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:30 AM
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6. Oh yes, it's so much cheaper to keep them in hospitals and prisons.
:eyes:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:46 AM
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13. That's what I was just thinking
along with the fact that a society can be judged by how well the least among them are treated.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:21 PM
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14. think of all the damage that is done BEFORE a mentally ill person is finally incarcerated
let your imagination run wild on this one -- the damage could be violence to another person or child. often it's property damage from squatting. arson is common. prostitution and self-medication -- public drug use. and everywhere the homeless mentally ill congregate -- public parks, beaches, downtown -- no one else is going to be safe. so -- save the 55 million and sacrifice your public life. nice.

then again -- he'll just be catching up with the rest of the US who already have no mental health safety net. just like here in Florida. i lived next to a public park in a historic neighborhood where the mentally ill congregated. i watched them from my window every day and night. i was scared shitless some nights, walking my dogs. living with the homeless insane is a way of life here.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:37 PM
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31. And in the streets of California's cities (n/t)
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:50 AM
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23. and their hospital stay is very short.
they get kicked out ASAP. The treatment methods are primarily incarceration, release, then incarceration again.

It is a vicious cycle.

I have a sister who would be a bag lady homeless if it were not for my hands on in administering her maintenance, social security, medicare, etc.

The poor homeless with no one to care are non-persons.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:11 AM
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7. The Republican way
Cut off services to the most vulnerable, and the ones who are least able to advocate for themselves. Who cares? They're not important anyway. :sarcasm:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:20 AM
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8. It'll never happen
The Democratic controlled legislature will never let it see the light of day.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:25 AM
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10. Hoping you're right, Tempest. Things couldn't look much bleaker for the powerless ones among us. n/t
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:20 AM
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9. This needs to be in the headlines
everywhere! More evidence that the Replublikan party is NOT for the people! k & r!

:mad:
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:41 AM
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12. Notice how they always attack the programs that seem to work.
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 11:44 AM by sutz12
It's like their fetish for Social Security. IMO, that's one of the most wildly successful government programs in history. It's very existance disproves the whole fabric of "compassionate conservativism." It's goal was to alleviate poverty in old age, and it has helped countless millions of the aged to live in relative comfort, instead of starving to death.

Public utilities have a long history of providing power at low cost to millions of people all around the country. Nope, nobody is making money off of that. Gotta 'privatize,' or more accurately, privateer.

This is just one more shot at dismantling government programs that actually do the jobs they were designed to do.

When they can't prove that the program is actually failing and suspect that it might, gasp, actually succeed, they just defund. :shrug:

edited for spelling
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:34 PM
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15. Just when I was liking him for his environmental stance,he pulls this Reagan stunt.Disgusting.nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:39 PM
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32. His "environmental stance" is a sham and a lie too
"California environmental official quits, citing meddling by Schwarzenegger's office

(AP) - SACRAMENTO, California-The executive director of a California agency charged with implementing a landmark global warming law resigned, saying Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's office made it impossible for her to do her job.

Catherine Witherspoon's resignation comes days after the California Air Resources Board's chairman, Robert Sawyer, was ousted by Schwarzenegger."

http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/07-03-2007/28c6000df70e2cbe.html

Don't believe this fucker. Don't ever believe him...
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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:32 PM
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17. Not a again for crying out loud!
Didn't CA do this to some degree back in the 80's?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:50 PM
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18. Oh, yeah, just a brilliant idea
:sarcasm:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:21 PM
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19. He could always start with his salary...
It's pretty disgusting when a multi-millionaire wants to "balance" the budget on the back of the most vulnerable members of society.

And I've never been one who hated Arnie the way that some do. I was just glad the guy wasn't one of those rabid religious wackos the Repugs are so fond of. I had hope for the guy, to be honest.

Sheesh.
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stressfulreality Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:39 PM
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33. exactly. i don't think our "officials" are working for the people anymore...
:(
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:17 PM
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37. I understand that hope may spring eternal
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:18 PM by Art_from_Ark
but I don't see how anyone could have had hope for Ahnuld. After all, he was installed in what amounted to a legal coup, for the purpose of canning the Enron investigation (which he promptly did). He's just like Reagan-- a meathead actor who made it to the governor's mansion just because too many voters in California are wowed by celebrity.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:00 PM
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20. A $3 billion budget gap
There's 30 million people in California. That's about $100 per year in extra taxes for every man, woman and child in this state to close the budget gap. That's less than $10 a month. Less than $10 per month can save these people's lives and probably the lives of others that will be destroyed when they resort to lives of crime.

But Republicans are such cheap, selfish pricks that they'd rather let people die that spend a measly $10 per month. God I hate them with every blood fiber in my being.

And the truth is we wouldn't even have to raise taxes to close the budget gap. Just cut corporate welfare, and this state would be rolling in dough.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:26 AM
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21. I often wonder if this isn't some plan
dump those from the hospitals and cut programs for the homeless so that he can afford more in the budget for prisons. Didn't I hear that Arnie was up to elbows in private donations from those that want to build more privately owned prisons?

Well it does seem that the review was to up in June 2007 here is the link.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20061221-1720-ca-californiaprisons.html

I just wonder if this is how he proposes to offset cost because it sounds like he wants to add mental health facilities to the prison system (not that it is a bad idea) but not at the cost of cutting the budget for the homeless. :shrug:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:48 AM
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22. That's just so...republican. I mean, to kick the shit out of mentally ill
people.

Hooray for Herr Gropenator, a true hero of the downtrodden.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:12 PM
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24. It sure does affect us. Our streets are filled with
sad, ill, homeless people.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:25 PM
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25. Up yours, Ah-nuld Schwarze-Nazi
Welcome illegal aliens with open arms, while stomping on mentally ill Americans.

Gotta have that cheap labor in Auschwitz-fornia, don't you? :mad:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:47 PM
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26. Okay, you idiot, this is now war.
:nuke:
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:54 PM
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27. here's my LTTE
Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is following in the foot steps of Republican President Ronald Reagan.

In the mid 1980’s, President Reagan emptied our public mental institutions, sending thousands of mentally ill people to our street corners. Now Arnold Schwarzenegger has decided he wants to remove the funds for the Integrated Services for Homeless Adults With Serious Mental Illness program.

This program costs $55 million a year and is worth every penny spent in the help it gives to homeless people who are mentally ill. But since the mentally ill aren’t likely Republican voters, it would seem they are worthless in Arnold’s eyes

Schwarznegger, who ran on an election campaign promise to bring more children into health services programs, cut the funding almost immediately upon retaining the governor’s mansion. His method of governing balances the state’s budget on the backs of the weak, the helpless, the elderly and the young.

He has removed money from programs for the doctors who care for the poor and cut recreation funds for mentally retarded children. He has said “he won’t cut funding for prosthetics”. Apparently he wants no excuses for physically disabled people not to work and pay their payroll taxes!

What kind of monsters are we, if as a society we leave the seriously mentally ill to wander the streets of our towns and cities with no help?

If you have no compassion for their plight; then just look at the crime problem this budget cut will produce. If we don’t spend this small amount of money now, our already bloated prison annual budget of $5,000,000,000,000 (five billion dollars) will grow. The payment we will then make won’t be just in money, but in the shattered lives that will undoubtedly occur.

Shame on you Arnold Schwarzenegger for proposing such an inhumane budget cut and shame on us if we allow this to happen.

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aikanae Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:26 PM
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28. People mean nothing
This just continues their attitude, without money your worth less than livestock.

Mental Healthcare with Medicaid is already under attack. Republicans put in a new benchmark program that releases it from federal entitlement guarantees. If anyone knows how the Medicaid program works it's barely, just enough to meet the entitlements and then usually court ordered. What's scary is I thought California had some pretty tough advocacy groups - or this may not have even gotten the article.

The stupid part is it costs 3x's more to house them in jail. So what's the purpose? Just for them to feel a little more privileged?
I don't get it.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:35 PM
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29. Ah, there goes the groppensteroidenfuhrer
channeling that fuck ronald ray-gun again...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:36 PM
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30. Ah, but he's throwing over 7 BILLION
at the prison-industrial complex -- the new home for the mentally ill in California...

Fuck him and the hummer he rode in on...
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:59 PM
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34. Disgusting.
Just disgusting. :grr:
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:39 PM
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35. Why doesn't his wife divorce him....
I've never understood it. How could she SLEEP with that compassionate conservative hypocrite.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:47 PM
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36. So, I see that once he got re-elected by casting himself as a moderate Democrat "in disguise"...
...Der Gropenfuhrer has decided he's Republican again. :grr:

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