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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:40 PM
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Russian Bombers Launch Missiles Over Arctic
Source: Telegraph UK

Twelve Russian strategic bombers are taking part in military exercises above the Arctic involving the launching of tactical cruise missiles.

The Russian air force spokesman did not specify the exact location of the exercises but confirmed that the TU-95MC bombers would take off from five air bases stretching from the Volga River city of Engels to Anadyr on the Chukotka Peninsula overlooking the United States.

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The Arctic exercises follow a widely advertised scientific expedition to the North Pole last month with the task of finding justification for Russia's claims for a bigger slice of the Arctic zone, believed to have rich mineral resources.

Relations with both Europe and the United States have been deteriorating as Russia, buoyed by booming energy prices, has shaken off the post-Soviet malaise of the 1990s.







Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/03/warctic103.xml
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:43 PM
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1. oh chit!
great, just great...
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:44 PM
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2. Thrilling.
Thanks, bushco!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:52 PM
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3. Just a "friendly reminder"
from Dubya's "bestest buddy", Putin....that there is a limit to how much nonsense Russia will tolerate.


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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:57 PM
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5. IMHO this is a 'good thing'. Time to stop the 'judeo-christian democracy' crusades. n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:33 PM
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8. judeo anyway
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 03:35 AM
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15. ITS TEH JOOS!!11!!1
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:57 PM
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11. You just KNOW Pootie-Poot hates Bush.
Not for political reasons, but because Bush is a befuddled oaf and it makes him uncomfortable. Other countries elect leaders because they are sharp, well educated, and experienced. We vote for the guy with which we'd like to drink a beer and have BBQ.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 03:09 AM
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14. Yep. One wonders how we made it to super-power status when we
have a whole voting block which selects their candidate based on who they would most want to tailgate with at a NASCAR race.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:09 AM
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19. The MEDIA sees a political race as JUST ANOTHER PRODUCT TO SELL
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 11:00 PM
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13. No, Putin is a cold-blooded a fascist thug as Bush is
He'd love to murder as many of us as Bush would.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:54 PM
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4. Did drunky mccokespoon think
the rest of the world was going to sit idly by while he blunders his way through the middle east? This is a good reason why you don't decimate your own army on a fool's errand.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:12 PM
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6. While Bush plays paddy cake with his ego--
Russia takes over the North Pole.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:15 PM
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7. Russian aircraft still have a red star on their tails?
COOL!!! We far lefties may STILL have a place to go!!

:bounce:

:party: (and I mean party and the Party)

:toast:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:41 PM
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9. Hey, the Cold War is back. Maybe I'll get my old job back!
Of course, I would have to explain why I went "native." Temporary insanity brought about by years of alcohol abuse. Rehab followed by finding Jesus, and... Voila! Back in the show again!

:-)
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:33 PM
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36. That sounds like Clint Eastwood in the movie "Fire Fox"
"You gotta think in Russian in order to fly that plane"
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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 09:54 PM
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10. Great, the rise and fall and rise of communism!
US stuck in Iraq quagmire...meanwhile, Russia takes over the North Pole! Bush fucks up again!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 10:04 PM
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12. And to hell with whatever wildlife was in the area.
I'm sick to death of people and their goddam bombs. :grr:
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 09:30 AM
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20. They tested a 50 Mt bomb in the 60's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

The bomb was tested on October 30, 1961, in Novaya Zemlya, an archipelago in the Arctic Sea. The device was scaled down from its original design of 100 megatons to reduce the resulting nuclear fallout.<1>
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 03:25 PM
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26. The device was scaled down from its original design of 100 megatons
My. That was environmentally responsible of them. :eyes:
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 03:41 PM
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28. yep, some could think it's a good thing
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 03:50 PM by CGowen

The initial three stage design was capable of approximately 100 Mt, but at a cost of too much radioactive fallout. To limit fallout, the third stage, and possibly the second stage, had a lead tamper instead of a uranium-238 fusion tamper (which greatly amplifies the reaction by fissioning uranium atoms with fast neutrons from the fusion reaction). This eliminated fast fission by the fusion-stage neutrons, so that approximately 97% of the total energy resulted from fusion alone (as such, it was one of the "cleanest" nuclear bombs ever created, generating a very low amount of fallout relative to its yield).



The bomb used for Hiroshima was from 12.5 kt to 15 kt and this bomb was 4000 times stronger than that. So 3% from 50.000 kt is still 1500 kt, 120 times stronger than Hiroshima.


Since 50 Mt is 2.1×1017 joules, the average power produced during the entire fission-fusion process, lasting around 39 nanoseconds, was a power of about 5.4×1024 watts or 5.4 yottawatts. This is equivalent to approximately 1% of the power output of the Sun. The detonation of Tsar Bomba therefore qualifies as being the single most powerful device ever utilized throughout the history of humanity


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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:34 PM
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30. Holy Fuck!!!
:wow:
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:14 PM
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37. Fusion bombs can be scaled to any size you like
There is no inherent limit to the size of fusion bombs. One of the rationales for keeping nuclear weapons out of near earth orbit is that you can build a Gigaton fusion bomb, which, when detonated, will set fire to all combustible materials on a large part of the continent below.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 03:38 AM
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16. Yawn..........
:boring: They test stuff... we test stuff. Big deal.

Take a good look at global military spending. We spend as much (not counting Iraq & Afghan Wars which are off budget) as the rest of the world combined.

The Russians are NO threat to us or to much of anyone else.

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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:42 AM
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22. How many bombs does it take ? one
*CO and their fear mongering and psych control for personal greed and power, has emboldened other like minded greedsters to get in the game. Remember the soviets are old time experts at mass control and propaganda. No threat, you say. Well, why have we been struggling for a century to contain them.

*'s eye for oil has been closed to all other foreign and domestic management. He's all for oil and his oil friends.

It's such a bad climate for mutual trust when * dismisses our Constitution and thwarts accountability.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:20 PM
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25. I would suggest a trip
to www.globalsecurity.org and take a long hard look at the Russian vs U.S. military expenditures and force structures. They spend no where near what we do, nor do they have near the capability to project power or occupy much beyond their borders. This isn't the Soviet Military of the Cold War, it is the Russian Military of Today. Can they defend themselves, certainly. Can they create a bit of havoc, certainly. Can they hold ground against the forces of this country should we mix it up... Don't think so.



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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:28 PM
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32. I thought we were talking nukes. How many of those do they
need?Even tactical, if used, can change the world's perceptions and toss us into global instability. Sloppy or inattentive leadership can slip us right into a very bad place that even networked terrorism would find difficulty doing quickly.

I understand that our arsenal is vastly Superior. We are the only remaining super power, but you must realize that the political environment we are entering through bullying Russia is
someplace which they are familiar. It would be easy for them to assume their old ways.

This is what concerns me about ignoring the world and pushing the * agenda. That's all.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:21 PM
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33. We don't need nukes
to do a number on any country and they know it just as much as we do. Given enough Precision Guided Munitions you can easily cripple an economy. That said anyone in Russia with any sense isn't going to pop a nuke, because they know we still have enough of them to flatten the place. This whole thing is at best a minor sabre rattle and really nothing more, along the line of North Korea not getting enough attention last year and firing off a missle or two to get some headlines.

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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:43 PM
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34. "That said anyone in Russia with any sense ".........
And who would have thought that anyone in our country would have lead us to this sad state of affairs?

I think that saber rattling is what really scared people do, and scared people, as we know,have the least common sense.I think that that foolish disrespect can elicit a stronger response from an armed old enemy.


My point is that another * screwup could be one of his worst.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:42 AM
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17. Neocons could at least have chosen someone with a tad-bit more intellect then this fool that
runs around with a grin on his face when speaking of the toll this BS. war has cost so many American families, and we're not even at war with Iraq.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:19 AM
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18. Once again thank you President Bush!
If not for your efforts and the efforts of your fellow wide stance republican's America would be a safe country with a strong military a budget surplus and a growing economy that was the envy of the world.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 09:54 AM
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21. Canada will need to withdraw from Afghanistan ASAP
So we can invade Russia.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:28 AM
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23. Republicans promise strength, deliver weakness.
Russia is taking advantage of diminished American military strength.

I'd love to hear what genuine vet Republicans -- McCain, Dole, Warner -- are thinking in private.



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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:20 PM
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24. WTF?
Has Russia lost It's damn mind?
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 03:34 PM
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27. I thought the cold war was over.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:29 PM
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35. Its now about "Global Warming" over the pole
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 07:29 PM by ohio2007
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 09:54 PM
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38. Yeah, they're getting very territorial up there lately.....
The Russians are definitely making a statement with these exercises. A clear message that they are going to be front and center up there protecting their interests. As the passage becomes more navigatable,there will be points of contention to be sure over there.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 04:29 PM
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29. Just fucking great.
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 04:30 PM by Odin2005
The sad thing is that Putin can do any damn thing he pleases because the Iraq debacle has evaporated the diplomatic standing that gave us a good degree of "soft power."

Damn Ruskies
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:12 PM
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31. The Grand Chessboard of the 1890s revived!
Comrade Putin has been waiting for this as long as Bushler has.
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:28 PM
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39. Come on now you party poopers.
Bush looked into Poo-tinz soul, and saw..............NUCLEAR WINTER!
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:29 AM
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40. I guess it wasn't the best time to have rewatched "The Day After"
I finally watched it a second time since it first aired in the 1980s; figured it was a distant enough threat, after all (as I told my son) the Cold War is over, has been for many years, so we don't have to live with that particular fear any more.

Yeah, right.
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