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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:46 AM
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U.S. Aug. nonfarm payrolls surprisingly weak, fall 4,000
Source: MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Job growth came to a screeching halt in August, the Labor Department said Friday. Nonfarm payrolls contracted by 4,000 in August. This was the first decline in payrolls since August 2003. The decline was much weaker than than the 115,000 increase expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch.

Read more: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/us-nonfarm-payrolls-drop-4000/story.aspx?guid=%7BF7DFE843%2D9698%2D435A%2DB15F%2D549B8B060560%7D&siteid=bnb
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:49 AM
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1. and they revised downward
the prior two months.
that, in economic-speak is called a recession.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:56 AM
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4. They always revise downward.
They make their announcement with some breathless new number, then when they make the announcement the following week, they mumble out their revision, which is generally downward.

I have a friend who plays the market. He never noticed that, instead focusing on the weekly announcement with its still-anemic gains. I hipped him to the revisions and he started paying attention. Boy, did he change his tune.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:09 AM
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41. It is always amazing to me how clueless the Imperial Subjects of Amerika are
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 02:11 AM by tom_paine
It is no wonder that we have given ourselves over to the New Hitler and the New Totalitarianism.

We ARE Bush. There can be no more denying. No more whiny excuses for the "poor Imperial Subjects of Amerika" for being so gullibly duped.

Fuck that. If the Good Germans who were duped by Hitler are worthy of loathing, then how can the Imperial Subjects of Amerika bowing to the New Hitler as easily or EASIER than Germany bowed to the original Hitler, get a pass.

Answer: WE CAN'T Answer: We bear the responsibility, each and every one of us, for allowing tyrannical monsters to take us over without even the tiniest fight.

Can there be any more shameful group of citizens in all of human history, who had it all and GAVE it away when a tyrant said "boo!", than us and the 1930s Germans? We had freedom, Constitution, and a fFree press.

Now we have NONE of those things.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:55 AM
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2. most are just 'hanging on' living pay check to pay check.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:56 AM
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3. If the fake numbers look so bad
Imagine how awful the real ones must be.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:07 AM
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5. This doesn't even include the daily bleeding of jobs in the..
mortgage industry in the last month. Those numbers haven't even hit yet. Recession, here we come.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:07 AM
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7. bleeding? that is kind.
massive hemorrhage, is better.

I have an opponent, a client and a friend who work in that market. One sold her bizniz just before the crash, another is closing his doors and firing all employees (seven) and the third is watching as the boss explains why every third person might have to update their resume.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:14 AM
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6. And the worst is yet to come in the S&L fiasco.
I mean, subprime loan fiasco. Sorry.

Good ol' deregulation. All you need is that and tax cuts. The benevolent free market will carry us all to utopia.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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8. U.S. Jobs Fall for First Time in Four Years
Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Employers sliced payrolls by 4,000 in August, the first drop in four years, a stark sign that a painful credit crunch that has unnerved Wall Street is putting a strain on the national economy.

The latest snapshot of the employment climate, released by the Labor Department on Friday, also showed that the unemployment rate held steady at 4.6 percent, mainly because hundreds of thousands of people left the work force for any number of reasons.

Job losses in construction, manufacturing, transportation and government swamped gains in education and health care, leisure and hospitality, and retail. Employment in financial services was flat. The weakness in payrolls reflected fallout from the deepening housing slump, a credit crisis and financial turbulence that has made businesses more cautious in their hiring.

The report was much weaker than economists were expecting. They were forecasting payrolls to grow by 110,000.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/MarketTalk/story?id=3570809&page=1
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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9. Nobody in the whole world expected this --- Things are much worse than they knew!
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 08:27 AM by Nimrod2005
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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10. Just to compound the mess...
In the same article, first page, last paragraph:

"On the payrolls front, job gains in June and July turned out to be smaller.
The economy added 68,000 new jobs in July compared with 92,000 reported a month ago.
For June, 69,000 new jobs were created, less than the 126,000 previously reported."

So, -4000 today and the corrections: -24000 (=92k-68k) from July and -57000 (126k-69k) from June.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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11. Oh yeah, baby! Did you see where the 'bright' figures from June & July vanished as well?
They down-graded the 'new' jobs creation numbers for June from 126,000 to a measly 69,000 (-46%) and for July from 92,000 to 68,000 (-27%). I thought there had to be something like an average of 120,000 new jobs a month just to keep even.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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12. I thought it was 150,000
To keep up with population growth.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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29. I thought it was 150k, too
but I've seen that lower number quoted several times now.


Perhaps another Bush revision? We know how that admin. loves to change the rules in the middle of the game....
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:26 PM
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31. I just calculated a third, much higher number
And now I'm really confused.

The Census Bureau's population count page, http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html, says that we're adding 1 person every 10 seconds. That works out to almost 263,000 per month.

A different number comes from this page, http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2005/6/9/145348/0115, which says that we're currently growing at just under 1% annually. That works out to 250,000 per month.

Those are both for total population. I don't know what the numbers would be for working-age population. Maybe different. I'm still confused.
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modrepub Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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21. Don't worry
That -4,000 will be revised to -40,000 in a couple of months. It's govment accountin' after all...
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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13. It's been falling all along....
they just can't cover it up as well now. It's hard work cooking those books.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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17. Now we're losing jobs during a 'jobless recovery'
http://www.jobwatch.org/

When is the media finally going to wake up ? Now even the mortgage companies, like GreenPoint -- who've already outsourced jobs to India and will be laying off there, I suppose-- are like anchors tie to the ankles of the economy

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/articlepdf/632.pdf?CFID=36284055&CFTOKEN=61814741&jsessionid=9a3021f5b2412191c255
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:10 AM
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42. Jobless recovery
:rofl: If you still don't have jobs, you still have not recovered.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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14. Thanks, George ...
... you stupid f*ck!

Bake
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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15. It seems to me the truth is, the numbers are finally so bad, even Bushco can't hide/fluff it. n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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16. But......But
How can this be? We have a booming economy..... :sarcasm:
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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18. No, everything is fine... this is just a negative
surge.

That's it... yeah... a negative surge.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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20. More like "surge reduction"
It just so happens the reduction is a net negative :(
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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19. Elaine Chao on job losses for August: 'This shows the importance of continuing Bush's tax cuts.'
First, the bad news:


U.S. Jobs Fall for First Time in Four Years

September 7, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Employers sliced payrolls by 4,000 in August, the first drop in four years, a stark sign that a painful credit crunch that has unnerved Wall Street is putting a strain on the national economy.
The latest snapshot of the employment climate, released by the Labor Department on Friday, also showed that the unemployment rate held steady at 4.6 percent, mainly because hundreds of thousands of people left the work force for any number of reasons.

Job losses in construction, manufacturing, transportation and government swamped gains in education and health care, leisure and hospitality, and retail. Employment in financial services was flat. The weakness in payrolls reflected fallout from the deepening housing slump, a credit crisis and financial turbulence that has made businesses more cautious in their hiring.
The report was much weaker than economists were expecting. They were forecasting payrolls to grow by 110,000.

The drop of 4,000 jobs in August was the first decline since August 2003.
The surprisingly weak report provides the Federal Reserve with a reason to lower interest rates when it meets next on Sept. 18.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, in a speech last week, said the Fed stands ready to do all that is needed to keep the credit crunch that has rocked Wall Street from damaging the economy.

.....

The 4,000 jobs cut in August are from both private and government employers. The government actually cut 28,000 jobs, while all private employers added 24,000.

Credit problems began with "subprime" mortgages held by people with spotty credit histories or low incomes. The problems have spread to some more creditworthy borrowers and intensified in August, unnerving Wall Street. In reaction, the Fed has pumped tens of billions of dollars into the financial system and lowered an interest rate that it charges banks for loans.
Credit is the economy's life blood. If it becomes more difficult to obtain, people might tighten their belts and companies might spend and invest less, including cutting back on hiring. That would crimp overall economic activity.

The economy, which grew at a brisk 4 percent pace in the April-to-June period, is expected to slow to half that pace in the three months from July through September. Against this backdrop, the unemployment rate is expected to creep higher, reaching close to 5 percent by the end of the year.






US STOCKS-Futures drop as data shows job losses

Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:36 PM BST

NEW YORK, Sept 7 (Reuters) - U.S. stock index futures fell sharply on Friday after employment data showed a surprise decline in job creation last month, suggesting the impact of mortage-market turmoil is taking a toll on the economy.

.....




And now the catastrophic news:


Statement of U.S. Labor Secretary Elaine L. Chao on August Employment Numbers


WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- U.S. Secretary of Labor
Elaine L. Chao issued the following statement on the August employment
situation report released today:

"After nearly four straight years of steady job growth, today's report
that employment in August was essentially unchanged reflects the challenges
currently facing the economy. This underscores the importance of continuing
the president's tax cut policies, so workers can keep more of their hard
earned wages."



Removal of these people from power is the only answer now.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:26 PM
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30. this is why we need a Democrat in the White House
at least the political appointees will be sane....
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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22. I think I'll watch The Grapes of Wrath this afternoon to make me feel better. nt
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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23. Shit, meet Fan. n/t
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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24. A Simple Explanation
Sub-prime mortgages lead to record foreclosures.

Record foreclosures greatly reduced the value of existing homes nationwide.

With home values down, folks cannot use their homes as ATM, read they cannot use Mortgage Equity Withdrawls to buy crap at the mall.

Stores at the mall that sell crap have to lay off staff.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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26. People who have been layed off can't afford to make their house payments.
Which leads to more foreclosures.

Which leads to greatly reduced values of existing homes nationwide.

etc.

etc.



Welcome to Mr. Bush's Wild Ride, America.



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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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25. It's goll-durn lucky all those people left the workforce at just the right time
So that the job losses wouldn't show up as a rise in unemployment.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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27. Republicans look at unemployment as a good thing.
Workers are willing to accept lower-paying jobs.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:57 PM
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33. You are right. I buy only what is essential, and if I know its from
filthy china, I don't buy it. Just learned that Daisy, Siamento, and California Magdalesions are shoes still made here. The crap they are making in China and Brazil costs just as much too. The American ones are putting food on the table for Americans not Chinese or Brazilians.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:25 PM
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28. Better change the way we count employment.
That will do the trick
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:55 PM
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32. Duh???? economics for the rich to make the poor poorer are
working. I am sure the filthy pigs are dancing in the street. People buy what is only essential. Don't feed the pigs.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:16 PM
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34. Payrolls Drop for First Time in 4 Years
Source: AP

AP
Payrolls Drop for First Time in 4 Years
Friday September 7, 3:19 pm ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- For the first time in four years, employers have cut jobs, raising new fears that a deep housing slump and a painful credit crunch could push the economy into a recession. Pressure is building on the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates. Many economists predict the deteriorating employment climate cements a rate cut on Sept. 18.

A report released Friday by the Labor Department showed the nation's payrolls shrank by 4,000 in August. It was the first decline in jobs since August 2003. Payrolls fell by 42,000 at that time as the job market was still struggling to recover from the 2001 recession.

(snip)

Job losses in construction, manufacturing, transportation and government swamped gains in education and health care, leisure and hospitality, and retail. Employment in financial services was flat. Employers are hiring less because uncertainty about the country's economic health is growing. The ailing housing market and credit problems that have unhinged Wall Street are main culprits behind businesses' fresh sense of caution.



Read more: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070907/economy.html?.v=18
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:16 PM
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35. Chain reactions are inevitable.. People cannot use their homes as ATMs anymore,
so they stop buying as much stuff.. Less sales, mean layoffs.. It's a spiral, and once it starts..look out below..
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:17 PM
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36. Exactly, just follow the DEBT
When wealth concentrates at the top and the bottom starts to drown in debt with no hope of repayment, the bottom tends to go on a buying strike and shut the economy down. They've substituted easy credit for wages for as long as they can.

Look out below, indeed.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:17 PM
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37. A few blocks from us, a new business is being built.. I had to laugh
It's going to be a carpet business.. Just in time for the housing floppola.. I bet those people are making appointments at the psychiatrist's office rigth about now..

Who;s gonna order new carpet, when they are trying to figure out how to make their house payments?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:57 AM
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38. Ah, but when you put your house on the market
you'd better have new carpets.

The old days of just throwing in allowance for new carpets are so... 2005.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:43 AM
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39. I have tiled floors..no more carpet
:)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:04 AM
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40. Oh My God. If the Loyal Bushie Liars said it was -4,000, then what is it REALLY
We are fucked so badly.

God, how many jobs did we LOSE last month, 20,000? 50,000? 100,000? More?

With both Bushies and Nazis, who lie close to 100% of the time, one only knows that they are lying, but always wonders how severe the lie is.

And the limit onthe sie of the Big Lies that Bushies and Nazis tell is, literally, limitless.

200,000 jobs lost? Surely it couldn't be more than that?

Oh yes it could. And who ould tell us the truth? CNN? :rofl:
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