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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:10 PM
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Prosecutors: Tommy K's Five-Star Getaway was Government Biz
Source: TPM Muckraker

By Paul Kiel - September 17, 2007, 2:58PM

So why was Thomas Kontogiannis, who's pled guilty to helping bribe Duke Cunningham, staying at http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004072.php">a five-star Greek resort? Because the government told him to, prosecutors say. From The North County Times:

A federal judge allowed a New York man who has admitted bribing former North County U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham to remain free on bond, after an Assistant U.S. Attorney said at a hearing this morning that the man's recent trip to Greece was at the direction of federal agents.

U.S. District Judge Larry Alan Burns had called the hearing to learn whether the man, Thomas Kontogiannis, had traveled overseas without permission. Any such trip requires prior approval because Kontogiannis pleaded guilty earlier this year on a money laundering charge.

At today's hearing, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason Forge said the trip was made at the government's behest.
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Read more: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004205.php



Sheesh, as the comments section below notes:

This case is crazy.
Kontogiannis is either totally conning the justice dept
OR
he is permitted to bribe public officials, not pay taxes while he makes millions of $$$, write fraudulent mortgages, launder money, steal someone's identity and use their credit cards and travel overseas after turning in his passport- all under the protective eye of the justice dept.


What is WITH our country these days. It is as if there is NO rule of law any more! What can possibly justify what these guys are doing behind the scenes. I think we should be having Waxman also looking into this case in addition to what he's doing on Blackwater. Of course, I'm guessing this case is probably too related to what Sibel Edmonds knows about. And we know that the Dems like Waxman have been staying away from having her testify. Sylvestre Reyes of the Intelligence Committee also wanted to keep quiet the FBI report on Cunningham too!

Sheesh!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:12 PM
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1. Serious case of deja vu for me
I could swear I posted in a thread about someone else doing the same thing a few years ago
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:13 PM
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2. I REALLY want to know his relationship with the gov't when he's
pled guilty to helping bribe Cunningham. Unless he was a gov't stooge? This is messed up.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:17 PM
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3. This is conjecture on my part, but I still wonder...
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 08:19 PM by calipendence
... if he's tied into some even more corrupt and insidious money laundering scheme than we've heard about and what he's mysteriously alleged to have "pled guilty" to under the plea agreement...

That would be helping the CIA launder counterfeit bills that according to a German publication (and not echoed nearly AT ALL here in this country by news publications) they are producing in Washington to fund black ops and then if found are blaming these "super dollars" on North Korea which they make a case for North Korea not being able to do as alleged.

If this were the case, it would really explain why they are handling Kontogiannis with "kid gloves" if he even knows a smidgeon of what's going on here!

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/46471/

Something like this would also explain why even Democrats are hesitant to wanting to talk about it. If it were brought out, it might really trash our economy.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:26 PM
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4. Holy mackeral! The blogs have this now; I think they will be relentless
in trying to find answers. I hope! All this nefarious, hidden stuff I'm sure has been going on for a long time, but now it's not so easy to stop people from asking questions. Yet.:scared:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:33 PM
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5. This story has been around for many months now, but noone asks about it!
I've mentioned my concern of the superdollar plot link a few times in other threads on Kontogiannis, but noone seems to follow up or dismiss it. The treatment of him and his ties to the likes of Cunningham, Foggo, etc. are so mysterious and over the top, that I have to wonder if either this story or something equally as nefarious is happening that we don't know about.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:36 PM
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6. To be honest, I saw this story earlier about Kontogiannis, but
didn't post it because I don't think too many DUers are tuned into this; I've tried before, not to the extent you have, with similar results. Hell, I'm not up on it either. There's too much to pay attention to these days!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:06 PM
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7. And also Brent Wilkes and his lawyers get to see this sealed plea!
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:07 PM by calipendence
Sheesh again! How come these folks that are indicted for heavy criminal charges are able to see what is being held back from us and we aren't!? Something stinks to high heaven here!

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004200.php

Wilkes Will See Sealed Plea of Vacationing Tommy K
By Spencer Ackerman - September 17, 2007, 11:28AM

Within the hour, Thomas Kontogiannis is scheduled to go before U.S. District Judge Larry Burns in San Diego and explain why his recent Greek vacation doesn't violate the terms of his $1.5 million bond, under which he had to surrender his passport. But that's not the only new Tommy K-related morsel. On Friday, Burns ruled that attorneys for former ADCS chairman Brent Wilkes will get to review the sealed addenda to Kontogiannis' guilty plea. From the ruling:

1. The government shall disclose to defense counsel any sealed written addenda to the plea agreement of defendant Thomas Kontogiannis, case no. 07CR423-LAB, which addenda shall remain under seal. 2. The only persons to whom defense counsel may disclose, directly or indirectly, the contents or substance of any written addenda are John Michael, Brent Wilkes, and investigators or other agents assisting in the preparation of defendants’ defense.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:09 PM
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8. Let's get him down to Gitmo and have a talk.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:12 PM
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9. grrrrrrr....it makes me so angry -- if i had done this -- or just about anyone here at DU
had done this -- a five star hotel is not where i would be staying.

there is class stratification in this country.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:16 PM
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10. A year ago this, from an MSNBC article ... and nothing since
"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250/

Hmmmm. Who might these 'others' in the company and Congress be ? Enquiring minds need to know.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:22 PM
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11. Sounds like we have news of congress critters getting subpoenaed TONIGHT!
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:26 PM by calipendence
Check out this newer thread I just posted of a story that's been just put up the last hour by Conde Naste. Apparently subpoenas are going out sometime tonight relating to the Brent Wilkes case and Duke Cunningham scandal! This could be big folks! Funny that it's piggy backing this other story on Kontogiannis today too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2994828&mesg_id=2994828
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:39 PM
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12. CIA's unconstitutional black ops funding probably is the source for much of this $
Opium, black ops funding in DoD budget

see Tim Weiner's book

http://www.namebase.org/sources/PR.html
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:57 PM
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13. I find it VERY curious that Wilkes' lawyers are subpoenaing congress critters tonight...
... when they just were ruled that they were able to see the sealed plea and documents of the Kontogiannis case today! Sounds a bit too coincidental timing to me! I smell something big here!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:35 PM
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14. The only thing you could tell from the heavily redacted unsealed court proceedings
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:36 PM by donkeyotay
was that Kontogiannis is supposed to be helping the govt. develop another case. If it's not too secret, they might eventually let us in on what's going on in our government with our money.

I'm reading Seymour Hersh's "The Price of Power" and he writes about Nixon's support for the junta in Greece.

One of the junta's leading supporters was Thomas A. Pappas, a prominent Greek-American businessman with CIA connections who had raised millions of dollars for Republican candidates.

The book goes on to say that Lawrence F. O'Brien, the DNC chair, made the allegations after speaking with a Demetracopoulos who said he had friends in Greece who said that "hundred of thousands of dollars from the Greek KYP, directly subsidized by the CIA, was being laundered through Pappas for the Nixon campaign." (p 138)

And from Seymour's book: In 1976 the House Intelligence Committee confirmed this allegation through "Henry J. Tasca, a career Foreign Service officer who had been Nixon's ambassador to Greece..." (He died in an automobile accident in 1979.)

...

And, of course Spiro Agnew, Nixon's VP, was Greek. I don't know if that had anything to do with it. (I also wonder if the Pappas of Abu Ghraib fame is related.) Basically, I read this and thought that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:19 PM
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15. It is interesting to look back at history from that time...

Here's an interesting article that postulated that Nixon and some insiders also wanted to declare martial law and in effect have a coup and cancel the elections in 1972. Hmmm... Seems PRETTY RELEVANT NOW FOLKS!

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Why%20Was%20Martha%20Mitchell%20Kidnapped%20-%201.html

It seems like Pappas and some of those Greek folks aligned with Agnew and the previous coup that prevented Andreas Papandreou from getting elected back in 1967 that might have had a JFK like leadership then had that happened, and were repaying Nixon by funding his campaign in exchange for him having Agnew as his running mate.

Still recall how "Citizen Stan" Sheinbaum, helped rescue Papandreou from imprisonment during the years of the junta where he was threatened with death, and later Papandreou helped restore a Democratic government to Greece in the 80's. That reminds me that I'm going to have to take Stan up on an invite to meet with him I got at the beginning of this year to discuss our shared history of events surrounding the Vietnam Project. He's such a great man!

You wonder though, as you mention, if history is repeating itself here with this angle as well!

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