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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 12:18 PM
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Iraq: Blackwater staff will face criminal charges
Source: CNN

The Iraqi government will file criminal charges against employees of U.S. security firm Blackwater who are blamed for a gun battle in Baghdad in which civilians were killed, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said Sunday.

It is unclear how Iraqi courts will attempt to bring the contractors to trial. A July report from the Congressional Research Service said the Iraqi government has no authority over private security firms contracted by the U.S. government.

The Iraqi government claims that as many as 20 civilians were killed by the private contractors, who were guarding a U.S. diplomatic convoy.

Iraqi officials, who claim the shootings were unprovoked, dispute the U.S. claim that the guards were responding to an attack and said on Saturday they had a videotape that showed the Blackwater guards opened fire without provocation.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/23/blackwater.probe/index.html
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 12:21 PM
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1. the Iraqi government has no authority over private security firms contracted by the U.S. government
So, do we seriously maintain that Iraq is a sovereign government?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 12:23 PM
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2. So, do we seriously maintain that Iraq is a sovereign government? NO
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 01:49 PM
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8. On that basis
I'd assume they have no duty of care either so they'd be able to just lock them up in an undislosed location, without food or water and throw away the keys.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:43 PM
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17. They could auction those keys on eBay!
:evilgrin:


K and R
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:22 PM
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9. Good point. So any 'oil law' that did pass would be null and void.
IIRC, there was a big push to get the Iraq gvmt declared 'sovereign' so that various laws would remain in force even if, some day, US wasn't there to enforce them.

Since it's clear that the US overrides/ignores/laughs at Iraqi laws whenever it pleases, it is also clear that sovereignty is a myth. Equally mythical, therefore, is the legitimacy of laws the US has gotten, and wants to get, passed.

Reminds me, for some reason, of a great T-shirt I saw the other day:

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:02 PM
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15. They will have authority if Iraqi soldiers and police start shooting mercenaries.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 12:34 PM
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3. Restrictions on the Iraqi government's sovereignty? This exposes
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 12:35 PM by Benhurst
the whole lie of our illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 12:45 PM
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4. if there really is a film of this massacre, then I bet junior
and his fellow-felons will sacrifice a few of these mercenaries.

The publicity around the world would be horrible.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 06:34 PM
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18. The publicity around the world already is horrible,
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 06:35 PM by Amonester
even without the film.

And BTW, the world wonders what happened to the horrible films about the children raped at Abu Ghraib that were only shown to a few members of Congress.

Any "update" on those (other) war crimes? Anyone?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 01:21 PM
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5. Ruh roh, gonna' be gettin' fitted for a hemp necktie soon?
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 01:31 PM
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6. I've read in corporate media various quotes attributed to
politicians, that the Iraqi government needs to "stand up". (not this article)

Well, it seems they're Standing Up.

The message just strikes me as dissonant. Either the U.S. is supporting Iraq's government in its efforts to Stand Up, or the U.S. citizen is being lied to -- not by the media directly -- but by the U.S. politicians the media repeatedly quotes.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 01:45 PM
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7. They ought to throw in the 6 other
instances they know of as well. Wonder if the criminals will be languishing in Abu Grab while they wait for trial? Bush ought to be considered their ring leader and have charges brought against him, too. Put him in ol' Abu Grabbie to wait. Big ol' hood on his head. No wonder he sneaks in to see the troops. Yeah. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Cuz I like it. My fantasy world is a much better place than reality these days.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:24 PM
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10. The US will just take them out of Iraq and
tell Iraq: neener neener neener
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:44 PM
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11. As If the Congressional Research Service Has Any Say in the Matter!
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 02:45 PM by Demeter
Who do these bureaucrats think they are, anyway? They don't get it, not one facet of Iraq's culture, history, politics, location, not anything. It's their country, and the Iraqis are going to be there long after Bush has turned to dust in the Hague.

This is where the US Constitution is just "a goddamned piece of paper", along with any other rule the Bush regime tries to impose on the the desert sands. This is where bullyboy Bush meets his Waterloo. How fitting, how appropriate--How ironic!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:09 PM
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12. The Iraqi Congressional Research Service says....
george bush is a war criminal and should be imprisoned for life.

So there! Take that!



Cher
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:55 PM
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13. This is...so insane.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 04:11 PM
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14. does anyone know what diplomat or diplomats were in the convoy
have they condemed this action and what a cross they have now to bear. My guess; they don't give a flying f.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:12 PM
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16. Imagine
Chinese mercenaries hired to bodyguard American CEOs.
Those mercenaries then gun down pedestrians on Wall Street because they came within 300 feet of the Exxon CEO's motorcade.

Would we stand for it?
Of course not.
So why inflict these massacres on others?

Blackwater out of Iraq!
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 06:55 PM
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19. You'll curse that into existence,
you know? Give it another two terms under a Republican president and we'll be there.
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