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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:49 AM
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More Blacks and Hispanics Live in Prison Cells Than in College Dorms
Source: Associated Press

More than three times as many black people live in prison cells as in college dorms, the government said in a report to be released Thursday.

The ratio is only slightly better for Hispanics, at 2.7 inmates for every Latino in college housing. Among non-Hispanic whites, more than twice as many live in college housing as in prison or jail.

The numbers, driven by men, do not include college students who live off campus. Previously released census data show that black and Hispanic college students commuters and those in dorms far outnumber black and Hispanic prison inmates.

Nevertheless, civil rights advocates said it is startling that blacks and Hispanics are more likely to live in prison cells than in college dorms.



Read more: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070926-2101-censusprisons.html
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:57 AM
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1. apples and oranges
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 10:59 AM by fishnfla
they are using the entire prison population of all ages vs. college aged people

I'm not saying it isnt a shame, just that they are twisting the stats
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:09 AM
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2. It is VERY significant
Did you even bother to read the article? It states that "Among non-Hispanic whites, more than twice as many live in college housing as in prison or jail." Using the exact same criteria they used for Blacks and Hispanics, there are twice as many whites living in college dorms as there are in prison cells. They're not twisting the stats. These stats are very sad and shouldn't be diminished by anyone.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:25 AM
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4. I found the info from the article
most prisoners are over 25. 96% of dorm residents are under 24
they are only looking at males
they did not include commuter students

I suck at statistics, but I think you have to compare relative sample groups.

It is sad, but race is only a part of it. Guys like Michael Jackson and Phil Spector will never see the inside of a jail cell
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:08 PM
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7. You may suck at statistics, but your logic is correct.
It is a pretty strained comparison.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:29 PM
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17. FYI - Milwaukee most segregated city in America....nt
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:19 AM
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3. College-aged people could be anybody.
It's not just restricted to 18-24 year olds.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:27 AM
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5. right
a 40 year old man of any color could be in jail, and live in a cell

he could also be a full-time student. You think he's gonna live in a dorm?
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:12 PM
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14. This is dorms, so yes, it will be 18-24. % of undergrads older or younger than that is tiny.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 05:14 PM by BadgerLaw2010
Graduates, professionals and post graduates don't live in dorms, and even if it's allowed, an "older" undergrad freshman has the financial means to live elsewhere near campus, and plenty of reason to do so.
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:05 PM
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6. I think there are a more young people across the board put in prison too.
That they may spend their whole life there is certainly a factor. I don't think we even need to debate these stats to know that there is a lot of prejudice in the U.S., especially under the Bush regime, or that law enforcement officers often come from segments of society that have a larger percentage of very prejudiced people.

Racial "profiling" by increasingly out of control police is rampant and even codified in some jurisdictions.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:09 PM
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8. Seems some Duers are desperate to undermine the statistics...
All can agree that the relative statistic, dorms vs prisons, is not perfect at measuring the discrepancy between education and criminal activity.

But to get swallowed up in age differences, dorms vs. commuter students, etc. does a disservice to the larger conclusion.

-For African-Americans 3 times as many people are in prisons than dorms.
-For non-Hispanic whites the ratio is reversed: more than twice as many people are in dorms than in prisons.

The difference is too great to be explained by statistical quibbles, IMO.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:40 PM
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10. I agree that the statistical difference is too large to be anything
but conclusive proof. I would add that the story was poorly written (or poorly read by me) because it did not include the dorm/prison ratio for non-Hispanic whites right along with African-Americans and Hispanics. The reader had to figure the white ratio from the other numbers.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:18 PM
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9. Lack of opportunity
I'm sure that a lot of crime can be avoided if we actually come together and accept others for who they are, and afford one another opportunities in life that are enticing enough to prevent people from wanting to risk prison.

The problem is, it seems people only have 3 choices:

1) Put on a paper hat at Taco Bell and be an indentured servant forever
2) Go into massive debt for an education, and after that spend life inside a cubicle
3) Join the military and get your balls blown off to make some asshole rich

Those choices may be fine for most people, but if that's all life has to offer, no wonder people are choosing to risk prison.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:02 PM
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11. Maybe they're all commuter students
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:00 PM
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12. Several studies compiled to act on the school-to-prison-pipeline may help
Intro in NAACP PDF booklet on the same

Criminal justice policy in the United States has for some time now spurned rehabilitation in favor of long and often permanent terms of incarceration, manifesting an overarching belief that there is no need to address root causes of crime and that many people who have committed crimes can never be anything but “criminals.” These policies have served to isolate and remove a massive number of people, a disproportionately large percentage of whom are people of color, from their communities and from participation in civil society.

In the last decade, the punitive and overzealous tools and approaches of the modern criminal justice system have seeped into our schools, serving to remove children from mainstream educational environments and funnel them onto a one-way path toward prison. These various policies, collectively referred to as the School-to-Prison Pipeline, push children out of school and hasten their entry into the juvenile, and eventually the criminal, justice system, where prison is the end of the road.

Historical inequities, such as segregated education, concentrated poverty, and racial disparities in law enforcement, all feed the pipeline.

The School-to-Prison Pipeline is one of the most urgent challenges in education today.


There are many more sources.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:44 PM
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13. here is some information that this article left out
from todays NYTimes:

--more americans overall live in college dorms than there are in prison. This is a reversal from 2000
--more than twice as many young black men are likely to be in college than in prison. In 2003 survey: 193,00 college-aged in prison, 132,00 enrolled and living on campus, 400,000 enrolled and living off campus

**this to me is where the comparison gets bogus, comparing just dorm students to prisoners, as I said upthread an older student is not likely to live in a dorm. They had to go thru all prisoner age groups to beat the number of dorm students**

--among 18-24 YO:
93% more whites in dorms vs. prison
40% more Hispanics in dorms than prison
29% more blacks living in dorms than prisons

The sad truth of the matter is factual: blacks and hispanics overall more likely to be in prison than in a dorm. Reversing this trend requires getting younger peoples in college, and there is some eveidence that is happening
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:17 PM
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15. "But you would be suprised how clean the cells are ..."
"...considering that most blacks and Hispanics are not white." Says Rich Limbo
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:19 PM
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16. That's mighty white of the prison system to provide all that housing!
Good to see they're taking care of all those people.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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