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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:06 PM
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McCain: No Muslim president, U.S. better with Christian one
Source: NY Daily News

GOP presidential candidate John McCain says America is better off with a Christian President and he doesn't want a Muslim in the Oval Office.

"I admire the Islam. There's a lot of good principles in it," he said. "But I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith."

In a wide-ranging interview about religion and faith with the Web site Beliefnet, McCain said he wouldn't "rule out under any circumstance" someone who wasn't Christian, but said, "I just feel that that's an important part of our qualifications to lead."

A Mormon such as rival candidate Mitt Romney, he said, would be okay.

"The Mormon religion is a religion that I don't share, but I respect.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/29/2007-09-29_mccain_no_muslim_president_us_better_wit.html



How "Christian" of you McCain. Is this guy slipping in to senility?
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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:09 PM
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1. When is this asshole going to dry up and go away?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:41 PM
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7. Patience, my pretty
The flying monkeys will take care of the irrational one.

Maybe if we just threw some water on him he'd melt.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:36 PM
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63. Yeh-heh-heh-heh-heh...... (You forgot to add that part) nt
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:38 PM
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64. Pat Buchanan said he could see McCain making a comeback...
now that Thompson hasn't taken off, like expected. And McCain's numbers have improved recently.

I don't think that'll happen, but it's an interesting thought.

McCain is certainly preferable to some of the others, but anyone who kissed * can't be right in the head!!!!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:09 PM
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2. "I admire *the* Islam" WTF???????
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:52 PM
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10. All that time around Bush is rubbing off on him
I wonder if he learned about "the Islam" on "the internets" while using "the google?"



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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:57 PM
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11. lol! Love it!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:11 PM
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13. Great post!
Words and pics, perfect!

:toast:

Julie
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:00 PM
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24. Maybe he's hallucinating and thinks he's Ivana Trump.
"The Donald." "The Islam."
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:35 AM
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29. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:25 PM
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52. LMAO
Personally I'm tired of candidates using their religion as a credential. Religion, along with being able to successfully reproduce, has nothing to do with public administration.

I don't care if you worship a pet rock as long as you don't use the office to prosleytize and/or endorse your religion. You don't need religion in order to be a caring, moral person.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:11 AM
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48. He must be hanging out with Miss Teen South Carolina who
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 09:11 AM by LibDemAlways
pontificated on "The Iraq." "The Islam" must be practiced there.

I'm sure McCain's statement would go over real well in my neighborhood, which is about 50% Jewish. What a dolt. And no, John, this nation wasn't founded on "Christian" principles. The founding fathers were very careful to separate church and state. McCain sounds like he's losing it.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:20 PM
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51. I think I'm gonna go learn more about "the Islam"
by searching for it on "the Google"! :P
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:10 PM
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3. As far as many are concerned he dried up and went away along time ago... n/t
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:10 PM
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4. That's so much worse than the initial reports indicated.
The Christian Nation thing is wrong on history but... somehow... this is worse. This is pure, undiluted bigotry parading as virtue.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:25 PM
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16. It is quite clear...
That Walnuts McCain just mouths words that he thinks the group in front of him want to hear. This points to a complete lack of any core principle that guides him, save one:

"I should be President. It is my right and due, paid for by my time as a POW".

I deeply respect his awful sacrifice, but he needs a time out, for the rest of his life.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:58 PM
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18. Kagemusha: "This is pure, undiluted bigotry parading as virtue."
I totally agree with your characterization of McCain's words. This is the worst kind of bigotry, right along with the likes of Don Imus and Bill-O, and he is running for President!
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:19 PM
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5. Remember, McCain agrees with O'Lielly's need to preserve the white male
Christian power structure in the USA.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:33 PM
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23. Is this for real???
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:11 PM
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38. Yes it is. Billo was spouting this off on a previous episode of "Da Faktor."
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:38 PM
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6. McCain cant decide what flavor of Christian he is...
so he is just trying to polarize the nation. the constitution flatly states that no religious test is required for office. oh yeah the repubes don't like nor adhere to the constitution.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:42 PM
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8. Last time I checked
there weren't any Muslims running for President.

As far as the Repugs go, I'm not sure there are any real Christians running, either.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:51 PM
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43. Bingo! There are no Islamic candidates. But, of course, McCain is swiftboating somebody.
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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:44 PM
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9. The man is unhinged!
For once I agree with the Repub right wing nut cases, that McCain was/is crazy!:crazy:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:00 PM
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12. Is this supposed to be a veiled reference to Obama?
Kind of letting amerika connect the dots on previous lies?
Hard to decode which of these evil bastards is the most evil.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:26 PM
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22. I wondered that. too.
In fact, I assumed that was the point. May be wrong, but that's how it sounded to me.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:11 PM
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14. John Who?
Why are we paying attention to a crackpot candidate who's circling the drain. This asswipe gets ten times more coverage for his bullshit than Kucinich and Edwards put together.

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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:13 PM
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15. What a creep. nt
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:44 PM
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17. The straight-talk express meanders down the track
I admire Islam, but I don't want any of them as president because our nation was founded on (Deist/Unitarian) Christian principles.

Gee...I'll bet some of his best friends are Muslims too.

What a putz.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:10 PM
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19. Funny from a life-long Episcopalian no wait I'm really a Baptist oh wait I've never been baptised...
...aw hell, I forgot my point. Let's just say he's full of shit and leave it at that.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:12 PM
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20. And just in case anyone's confused on the nature of our government as intended by the Founders...
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 09:12 PM by DRoseDARs
...McCain, I'm looking at you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

Article 11 reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:54 AM
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34. What two countries is that Art. talking about? nt
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:35 PM
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40. Not sure which ones you're asking about; after the Am. Revolution the US wasn't under the...
...protection of British tribute treaties. The Treaty of Tripoli (was the name of the city it was formed was well as the name of the country, kind of like the Roman Empire was based in the city of Rome) was produced to ensure safe passage of US merchants in the Mediterraneans Sea. The Barbary States where several North African countries - Morocco, Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli (modern Libya) - operating under the influence of the Ottoman Empire (based in modern Turkey).
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:24 PM
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21. He should really look at his Christian President Bush for an example of a FUCKED UP PRESIDENT
A Jehovahs Witness would be better.....
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:07 PM
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25. Keep selling that soul, John
You'll find a deep pocket buyer someday.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:08 PM
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26. It's not the interview that's "wide-ranging"
It's McCain's mind.

You can bet if a person says something like this in public, he believes a lot worse in private.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:38 PM
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27. no.. a hare krishna president would be best john!!!!
hare hare krishna you asshole!!
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:50 PM
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28. I wonder if he read about the Islam on the Google.
Jeez, what a senile fool.

I'm not giving the NY Daily News any traffic, but I'd bet cold hard cash they didn't even bother to ask about atheists.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:48 AM
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30. well, following that 'logic' he'd also not want a jew or hindu
this SHOULD sink his candidacy but with the corporate media who knows...
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:13 AM
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31. Personally, I would prefer an atheist.
I'm ready for this country to be lead by logic and sound reason.

For a US Senator, his grammar and syntax are excruciating.

Why do we allow our country to be 'lead' by fools and half-wits?
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:17 AM
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33. An athiest should fit McCain's criteria
If that athiest "has a solid grounding in (the Christian) faith", but has perhaps concluded that it's bullshit.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:39 AM
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32. Has ANY powerful Democrat (or Republican) called
McCain out on this? Any candidate, any supposed leader? Anyone said or pointed out that this is NOT how America works? Or is all the usual silence? The silence that oils the slippery slope into theocracy. The silence that oils the slippery slope into fascism.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:07 PM
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35. What a disgusting, bigoted man!
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:11 PM
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36. He really said this? Does he realize this also includes Jews?
I've said this before: There is something going on with McCain's brain. His cognitive abilities are slipping fast.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:49 PM
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37. fuck you McCain.
and for the record, Mormons ARE Christian. God, that's driving me nutters that people don't understand that.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:36 PM
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39. Insert. Foot. In. Mouth.
must be from the Spiro T. Agnew school of speaking.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:16 PM
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41. Wonder how Joe Lieberman is feeling about McCain now? nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:23 PM
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42. McCain's a Christian?
:hide:

I know he's said no American would pick lettuce for $50/hr, but then turned the other way when people started saying they would...
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:55 PM
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44. i ll pick lettuce for $40 / hr, and my son will too!!
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:41 PM
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45. A Christian Nazi !
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:13 AM
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46. Was this a slap at Obama? Sure seems that
way to me. DAMN! Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ

Ben David
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:28 PM
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53. I agree.
Obama has 'Hussein' in his name. Oh no!!

The handwringing over Obama's name and childhood is absolutely ridiculous. But xenophobia is after all a Republican virtue.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:41 AM
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47. Sorry John, the country was founded on Jewish principles...
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 08:42 AM by Feles Mala
like the Ten Commandments...

If it was founded on "Christian" principles, we'd have no problem feeding our poor and getting them proper medical attention since that was what Christ told his followers to do...


Then the King will answer, 'Anything you refused to do for any of my people here, you refused to do for me.' Then those bad people will go away. They will have punishment forever. But the good people will go and have life forever.

Matthew 25:41-46
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:21 AM
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49. See what years in a p.o.w. camp can do to a man?
I guess sanity isn't a requirement to run for office.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:24 PM
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50. What a jerk.
McCain knows better than most that all three branches of government are specifically set up to operate independently of whatever moonbat pixie-worship the officeholders hold.

What he also knows better than most is that the U.S. federal government has for most of its history flaunted that carefully set up independence from religion. It's why America is the fucked-up wreck we are today.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:29 PM
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54. How Rude!
:grr:
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:58 PM
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55. "Founded on Christian principles"?
I'm sure that would come as big news to Thomas Jefferson, and many of the Founding Fathers.

McCain -- I thought he was going to fold up his tent, or something like that?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:26 PM
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56. Senator McCain? It's the Constitution calling on Line 1...
Artcle VI:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlevi.html

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

So take your bigotry and stuff it, Senator! :grr:
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:20 PM
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57. Maybe, but it's best with neither.
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leaninglib Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:31 PM
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58. I wasn't aware that there was a Muslim candidate for President.
I really need to watch the news more often.
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:34 PM
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59. Jesus protect me from your cherry picking so called followers
for they have NO CLUE who you were, what you said and what you stood for.

Jesus was a black man and Jesus was a liberal McCain. Go outside and let your head explode about that. Then really read what the man said...

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leaninglib Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:38 PM
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60. Cool--this will help offset the Nader effect.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:38 PM
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61. Christians Beware: John McCain may be the anti-christ of the endtimes.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:41 PM
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62. How about a President that does not believe in any sort of superstitious crap?
It's hard for me to see how people who believe in The Rapture(tm) have a leg to stand on when criticising Muslims.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:59 AM
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65. "this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles"
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 01:02 AM by and-justice-for-all
!!!w r o n g!!!!

He needs to read the document and not interpert it as what he 'thinks' it says or means. If it was true that this country was found on superstitious principles, then the Constitution would have been clear on that. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that even comes close to saying that this country was founded on xtian principles.

I would love to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson crawl out of their graves, just to beat the shit out of those clowns like McCain for even thinking that they wrote a xtian document as the establishment clause for this country.

"I'd rather be governed by a wise Turk than a stupid Christian." (Martin Luther)
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