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MH1

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Tue Oct-09-07 08:54 PM
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White House threatens to veto housing bill

Source: Reuters

The Bush administration on Tuesday threatened to veto Democratic-written legislation designed to provide affordable housing for low-income families, saying it opposed the way a newly-created trust fund would be financed.

While the administration said it supports helping the poor gain housing, it "strongly opposes the establishment of an Affordable Housing Trust Fund financed by diverting Federal Housing Administration (FHA) receipts and housing-related Government Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs) revenues."

The U.S. House of Representatives is scheduled to debate the bill on Wednesday. The measure enjoys strong Democratic support and is also backed by some House Republicans.

In warning Congress of a possible veto, the White House budget office said the legislation was not needed because it overlaps with programs that are already available.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/gc03/idUSWAT00824920071009

Compassionless conservatism strikes again.

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babylonsister

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Tue Oct-09-07 09:01 PM
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1. Rec'd with disgust. If there are existing programs, this legislation

wouldn't be needed. Is that so tough? I don't know anything about this bill, but the response is predictable. The wh is fighting the majority tooth and nail, making themselves look petty and worse in the process.

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Gman

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:06 PM
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8. Making theirselves look petty and worse is a good thing

with the election coming next year.

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babylonsister

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:30 PM
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13. I didn't know they could look any worse; I was wrong. nt

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Toots

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Wed Oct-10-07 08:37 AM
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32. I didn't know the Administration was running for anything

It also makes the Democrats look weak and pathetic when they can not accomplish anything because they "don't have the votes" We will see if they are able to get enough Republicans on board to override Bush*'s veto on the SCHIPS bill. Republicans are starting to really feel the pressure on National Health Care. They know it is something everyone in America understands is broken and needs fixing. They just haven't yet figured out the reason it is broken is because it is being handled in a Republican "for Profit" manner. Romney in the debates last night suggested we should export our Health Care to help our economy. It blew my mind that he is so stupid...

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Pastiche423

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Tue Oct-09-07 09:12 PM
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2. I do not think it is possible to hate him more

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PatSeg

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Tue Oct-09-07 09:31 PM
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3. Be careful

Every time I say that, he does something else even more outrageous!

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Pastiche423

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Tue Oct-09-07 09:56 PM
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6. Whether I say it or not

he is still going to fuck up our country.

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PatSeg

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:11 PM
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9. I'm afraid you're right

I've never seen anything like it. It is as if he sits and thinks what is the absolutely worst choice I can make? And then makes it! There is something really perverse about it.

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bdamomma

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:37 AM
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37. he's psychotic and cannot relate to us, there is a disconnect

in his fucking head, can we please have some psychiatrists and psychologists questioning his mental state please.

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PatSeg

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:48 AM
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40. There is something seriously wrong with him

and its getting worse with each passing day. We'll probably never know who many people "really" voted for him, but there is something wrong with them as well. Almost half the country needs psychiatric help.

Glad you like the picture!

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bdamomma

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:35 AM
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36. nice picture of Biden by the way.

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cstanleytech

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:00 PM
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7. Try imagining how angry you will feel

when he grants pardons to Libby, Cheney and all the other scum in his administration.
Heck he will probably even try to pardon himself if its even remotely possible.

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Oak2004

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Tue Oct-09-07 11:41 PM
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18. Sure it is

Pardon everyone else, including Cheney, on the afternoon of Jan. 19th, then resign, effective midnight. Cheney gets sworn in at the stroke of midnight by his pal Aleito, then pardons Bush.

Then the lot of them get to sleep so they'll be refreshed and ready for their ceremonial departure the next day, secure in the knowledge that they'll forever be above the law.

Oh, and don't forget not to let anyone know about this shenanigan until after the other guy is sworn in on the 20th.

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cstanleytech

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Wed Oct-10-07 06:55 AM
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23. Yes you are right that is another possability

and its one reason why I have thought that the ability for the president to pardon people for the past 25 years or so needs an overhaul and add in some oversight.
It's clear few to no presidents have used it except for questionable pardons and often more than to cover their own asses so if they cant use it properly it needs to be taken from them.
Perhaps setup a small committee 6 person committee randomly picked from congress and the senate to approve any pardons to be submitted to the president for consideration just to make sure no cronies for the president are granted a pardon to cover his ass otherwise they are required to pass all pardons on.

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NYC Liberal

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Wed Oct-10-07 07:41 AM
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24. I don't think Bush will even need to resign.

All he'll have to do is invoke the 25th Amendment for a few hours so that Cheney will have the full powers of the presidency...and then he can pardon Herr Shrub, then just hand the reigns back when all the forms are signed.

Sigh.

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tekisui

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Wed Oct-10-07 08:16 AM
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30. He can just wait and let a friendly Dem Prez pardon him.

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bdamomma

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:38 AM
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39. no he probably have the Supreme Court handle that one for him.

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John Q. Citizen

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Wed Oct-10-07 10:34 PM
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58. he won't need to if Hill gets in. She will do the bi-partisan thing and pardon him, to

"heal" the country.

You saw it here first.

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onehandle

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Tue Oct-09-07 09:34 PM
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4. "Fuck the poor!" -The Bush family motto. nt

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Bitwit1234

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Tue Oct-09-07 09:48 PM
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5. See what the Turd in Chief is doing.

Vetoing any legislation that would improve the lot of the middle and lower class. By doing this he makes the country think the democrats are not doing anything because they are not passing any bills.

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Triana

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:12 PM
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10. Any bill that helps the poor, women, children, elderly, or sick...

Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 10:13 PM by Triana

...animals, or the environment, is bound to be vetoed by *resident Psychopath and the Repubes. One doesn't even have to LOOK at any news item about a veto to guess that it has to do with helping people, because that sort of thing is ALWAYS vetoed by these b*stards.

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madrchsod

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:18 PM
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11. there is a war to fund and the democrats

won`t deny george his war...war or homes here at home...

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HughMoran

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:29 PM
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12. What's the "I hate poor people & kids" fucktard doing now?

I hate this fucking idiot.

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DBoon

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Tue Oct-09-07 10:54 PM
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14. "the legislation was not needed"

because "those people" don't vote Republican

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rodeodance

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Tue Oct-09-07 11:05 PM
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15. the Senate banking committee has no immediate plans to ratify that bill or take up its own version o

Under the Massachusetts Democrat's plan, the fund would get a cash infusion from a charge on government-sponsored mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as from a new fee structure for the FHA.

In the first year of the fund, all money would be earmarked for victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. But the fate of the fund is tied to legislation to reform Fannie and Freddie as well as the FHA.

While Frank has pushed a reform bill through the House, the Senate banking committee has no immediate plans to ratify that bill or take up its own version of reform.

The administration has said it supports FHA reform, but the affordable housing provision could be carved out of any final legislation.

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McCamy Taylor

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Tue Oct-09-07 11:11 PM
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16. WH is vetoing money to Katrina victims and FHA reform.

"In the first year of the fund, all money would be earmarked for victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. But the fate of the fund is tied to legislation to reform Fannie and Freddie as well as the FHA."

Bush/Cheney really, truly do not care what they give the Democrats to campaign with next fall, do they.

Now the Dems can say Republicans

1. Fight endless wars for oil

2. Deny health care to children

3. Torture

4.Deny housing to Katrina victims

5. And want to keep from reforming the ailing home mortgage industry.

Ouchies! It is a bad time to be an elephant.

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Mojambo

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Tue Oct-09-07 11:35 PM
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17. They are going to just be obliterated in 2008. n/t

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NoGodsNoMasters

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:06 AM
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19. More Friedmanesque Insanity..

They really are incapable of giving, aren't they? Beneasth Freidman and Ayn rand and the lovely self deceptions they have created so they can convince themselves and try to convince others that they aren't the ruthless creatures we know them to be. They have an overwhelming aversion to sympathy and altruism, it's anathema to they're nature. If they keep up this privatization frenzy and the population of unemployed, and uninsured Americans grows, we're gonna have a hell of a demographic on our side, and we won't see this lot in washington for a very, very long time.

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Akoto

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:34 AM
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20. That veto pen certainly is coming out a lot lately.

I'll bet the Repug's are wincing each time, too. So close to an election year, this just gives political ammo to the opposition.

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sallyseven

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:35 AM
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35. He never had to use it before.

The Repuke congress kissed his feet as well as his butt and said Yasa Yasa master, any thing you say master. They will pay at the polls if we gang up on them.

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ScottytheRadical

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Wed Oct-10-07 02:49 AM
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21. Programs are "already available"! That why my rent takes up 2/3rds of my income!

I pay $600 a month for my apartment, which, as a studio, is the cheapest I could find near my school that wasn't bug-infested or in someone's basement.

I go to school full-time, so I can only afford to work my minimum-wage job part time, but "luckily" I also get ever-varying SSI disability income because, oh yea, I also have cerebral palsy.

On the West Coast where I live, high housing prices like this are the norm and many poor people with disabilities aren't anywhere near as "well off" as I am, and end up living in roach-infested single-occupany hotel rooms. ::sarcasm:: But hey, they're already getting a federal government handout, sometimes as much as $600 a month! Surely they can help themselves!

FUCK YOU BUSH.

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truthisfreedom

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Wed Oct-10-07 02:53 AM
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22. Further proof that bushco hates children and any legislation that will help them.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in the long run, we discover that the entire bush clan is involved deeply in some very newsworthy items concerning children.

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Vidar

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Wed Oct-10-07 07:46 AM
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25. Recommended. More on the class war against the downtrodden.

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hashibabba

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Wed Oct-10-07 07:57 AM
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26. There goes my housing assistance. I knew it was coming,

just didn't know how he would pull it off. Well, it'll be fun living in my car.

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Terran

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Wed Oct-10-07 11:00 AM
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42. Uh, no

Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:01 AM by Terran

This bill only creates new funding for affordable housing (and it's basically to construct affordable rental units and single family dwelling units for purchase, not for rental assistance), so any existing assistance you already have will not be affected in any way by this.

(edit: typo)

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hashibabba

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Thu Oct-11-07 05:48 PM
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63. Thanks for clarifying. I should have read more carefully. I've

been very anxious over the housing for the past few years, so I just jumped on that when I saw it.

Thanks

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cboy4

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Wed Oct-10-07 08:05 AM
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27. I should take a poll to see how many DUers agree

with the White House.

Never mind, I don't want to know.

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catmandu57

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Wed Oct-10-07 08:07 AM
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28. They're going to run a scorched earth policy from here on out

Fuck everyone, they've got theirs. It's very plain to see these bastards don't even care about their toadies in congress, it's up to us to see that every outrage visited upon the American people is withered under the strongest light possible, we have to make it clear even to the most brain dead among us that these people don't give a rat's ass about anyone other than themselves.

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lonestarnot

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Wed Oct-10-07 08:14 AM
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29. No surprise there. Any FUCKING THING that would benefit the working class is out under a repiglicon

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rox63

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Wed Oct-10-07 08:19 AM
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31. * is such a disgusting POS

K&R, cause more people need to know exactly how disgusting he is. :puke:

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Prophet 451

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:02 AM
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33. Wish I could be surprised

Sadly, I can't. It's clear now that the Bush admin have all the moral rectitude of the BTK Killer. There is no act, no matter how low, immoral or illegal, they will not do to fuck over anyone not in the top 5%. Essentially, your ruling administration are a bunch of evil monsters.

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bdamomma

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:34 AM
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34. the WH this, the WH that, they are just pushing us to confront them.

What SOB's:grr:

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lovuian

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:37 AM
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38. Hoover Coolidge and Bush have no compassion

its great to be rich and spit on the poor feel the power of greed

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Dukkha

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Wed Oct-10-07 09:49 AM
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41. Heck of a job, asshole!

I guess you don't see the decimated housing market caused by your greed outside your private gated communities or the leveled areas in hurricane south caused by your incompetence.

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L0oniX

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Wed Oct-10-07 11:02 AM
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43. Let me guess ...he's trying to break the record for the most presidential veto's

Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:03 AM by L0oniX

What a ass carrot!

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Supersedeas

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Wed Oct-10-07 11:29 AM
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44. he needs that money for his legacy of war and occupation in Iraq

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graywarrior

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Wed Oct-10-07 11:32 AM
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45. I HATE THEM

I hate them I hate them I hate them. Thirteen more months with these assholes.

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radfringe

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Wed Oct-10-07 11:53 AM
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46. let him veto it

more powder... republics hates the children republics hates the housing

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bobbolink

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:11 PM
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50. Thank you for such caring and compassion for those of us who are homeless.

Yet, you wonder why we say that "liberals" don't give a shit about poor people.

Your snark is just ugly.

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radfringe

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:59 PM
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55. you misunderstood

he's going to veto it if it manages to get to his desk - and the dems should use it against the republics as being anti-people and pro-corporation

the dems shouldn't back down, shouldn't cave in and they shouldn't give an inch just because he threatens to veto it and they should be pointing out that he doesn't give a crap about anything except protecting corporations and the republics support him on this

BTW - I VOLUNTEERED at homeless shelters back in MA, plus I have worked with mentally ill / mentally retarded / physically disabled for many many years

my partner was laid off two weeks ago, I was laid off yesterday - we have no health insurance - can't afford it and we are just a breath away from total disaster

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Zambero

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Wed Oct-10-07 11:59 AM
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47. fuggetaboutit

Remember all those tax breaks for the rich? Well the math is quite simple. The tax revenues that are no longer being collected are no longer funding programs to assist those who are at the other end of the economic spectrum. And there are poorly-funded programs already available for godzsake! Who cares if they only cover a drop in the bucket. Hey, that's O.K., the conservative wealth restructuring bunch who saw the tax breaks through are all perfectly good Christians. And God helps those who help themselves (to the National Treasury that is, Bush cronies and all!).

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Heywood J

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:04 PM
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48. If it isn't poor children he hates, it's entire poor families...

K&R. Here's hoping Jon Stewart pillories him on this like the SCHIP veto.

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bobbolink

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:06 PM
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49. This bill MUST go through! Please, all DUers, take action!

People like me must NOT be set adrift.

Please, put your energy into this bill!

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Cleita

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:16 PM
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51. He has to veto everything that would return taxpayer's money

to programs to benefit the people. His oil cronies can't steal that money for themselves then.

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MH1

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:23 PM
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54. Bingo.

All of a sudden he wants to be "fiscally responsible"??!!? After pouring a trillion dollars into a black hole called the "War on Terror"? But some of his pals did get rich from that black hole, of course. His pals don't make money off of housing for the poor, apparently.

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WGS

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:16 PM
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52. If there

is already a plan in place why do we need another one? Can't they just modify the first program to incorporate the changes? Does anyone know what the major changes are?

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wizstars

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Wed Oct-10-07 12:17 PM
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53. War, good; rich, good--poor children, bad!

VERY bad!

I think I got it now.
:sarcasm:

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Megahurtz

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Wed Oct-10-07 02:12 PM
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56. Won't Nancy Veto HIM?

Huh? Huh? Huh? Whadda bout it???:shrug:

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bobbolink

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Wed Oct-10-07 05:43 PM
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57. The only responses I hear on this thread are the predictable slams at *

No action, no concern about those of us going down for the 3rd time.

If this was paper ballots, or global warming or impeachment, there would be all kinds of calls to action.

Fuck it... I'm giving up voting if this is all the rest of you care.

Fuck it all to hell.

Snark away and let us all eat shit.

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Froward69

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Wed Oct-10-07 10:41 PM
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60. VOTE

and get others to also. (the dem ticket) this nightmare will end.

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bobbolink

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Thu Oct-11-07 03:54 PM
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61. rrrriiiigggggghhhhhttttt

That worked so well in '04, and '06.

:crazy:

Yanno, it's time to think a bit beyond the obvious.

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Froward69

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Wed Oct-10-07 10:40 PM
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59. Essentially bushy boy says

"Let Them eat cake"... fuckwad.

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bobbolink

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Thu Oct-11-07 03:55 PM
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62. So did Clinton.

to quote you... "fuckwad"

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