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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:29 AM Original message |
$mokers pay the price (company fines employees $1200/year) |
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jojo54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. It seems to be the up & coming trend. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
111. For you and all the other DU smokers who want to quit |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Either smoking is a legal activity or it isn't |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Overweight - Clarian Health is already doing |
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TexasBushwhacker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I'm obese, and I don't have a problem with this |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
109. BMI is a crock of shit. An attempt to "Simplify" a calculation. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. Oh yes the "fat" police are coming next. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Yes the sheep will be Fucked |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
116. Yup. There's no doubt about that!! |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. And after that, the "language" police! |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #64 |
117. Why not? They have to have money somehow. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. Employers do not have to provide Health Insurance either |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Our health costs are that high because insurance companies |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
96. So true! |
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harpboy_ak (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
104. Why should MY insurance premiums be higher because of YOU |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Then let's examine YOUR lifestyle, habits, diet, etc. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. Hear hear, yey verily |
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SyntaxError (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. That seems like the "I don't have kids, so why should I help pay for schools" type of argument. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Why should MINE be higher because of YOUR family |
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AdvancedProgress (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. Let's not forget... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. first thing any nurse or doctor asks...do you smoke? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. Wow, can't wait to have my own company. I will charge anyone that attends any of |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
7. I hope this happens with all companys. We are all paying more for health care because of them. |
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jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. So are people who believe that *smokers* are THE cause of rising health care costs.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. Deleted message |
L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
90. ! |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. that is a lie and a damn lie |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Asscarrots? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I'd say get used to it |
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jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. You forgot people who work for COMPANIES who knowingly expose their employees to pollution.... |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. We're paying more for health care because our fucking system is broken |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
43. And what about those people with lung cancer |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. Really, my health care costs (drugs, doctors, hospitals,etc) for the last 35 years has been $0. |
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54anickel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. Wow, that's the same BS I hear from the local homophobes as their "defense" for being against gay |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
92. Your welcome to smoke yourself to death for all I care |
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54anickel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Huh? Problem smoke or did you mean probably? That would be a no and no either way... |
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liberal renegade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
98. and you are a used douchebag! |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
115. We are also paying more health care because : |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
8. Time for 24-hour payment for 8-hours of work. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
9. Are they going to test them for high-fructose corn syrup diets? |
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TexasBushwhacker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. When will they make that shit illegal anyway? n/t |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. my 21 month old daughter |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
66. I'm with you on this one! |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
11. Who will they go after next? n/t |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
16. Smokers should pay the price |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. that also happens to be completely false |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Which part? |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. the inflated costs part |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. So you concede the point |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. no, neither do |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Depends |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. umm... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Like I said |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. what about everything else though? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Yes |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. Excuse me, but do you have children or parents who are still living? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Both (nt) |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. Just would like to point out that both children and elderly people use medically services at a |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Yes, my family does drive up costs |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
120. Okay, my parents are deceased and my children are |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. Here's the truth |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
87. I presume you're aware that skiers and mountain climbers |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. what about role of genes in addiction? |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. I love how people are blaming smokers instead of insurance companies |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. There is evidence that a predisposition to addiction - including nicotine addiction - is genetic |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. Fair enough |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Do you think some people shouldn't be allowed to breed? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Nope |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #80 |
110. Wrong |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. I prefer the British Method |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. I like that alternative |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. But HR676 WOULD if people knew about it |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. My British relatives HATE their National Health System |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. And in which class are they? |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. The ones I have heard complaints from would NOT be considered upper class |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. However, unlike here in the good ole' U.S. of A. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Being a fat pig is a choice too. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. "Let's face it, smoking is a choice." By extrapolation, so is being overweight. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Yup |
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jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Yeah that's right....and if that ideology were applied evenly to everyone.... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
91. Because of Pooled Risks |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. Drinking heavily is a choice. Why should I pay for other people's liver transplants? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. No, you shouldn't |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
97. people who drink heavily will not receive liver transplants so your post is a lie EOM |
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Midwestern Democrat (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:45 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Larry Hagman? Mickey Mantle? NT |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
101. Hell, I'm past child bearing age, |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
114. Sounds like one of those comments re. education like: |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Having children is a choice. Why should I pay for other people's children's schooling? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. In the long run, children are an asset |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
94. all the money we would save if they were never born.... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. BINGO!!!! |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Really? |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Driving is a choice. Why should I pay for people's auto accident injuries, if they're at fault? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. You shouldn't |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. It's very rare that there's |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. True |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #57 |
119. But they don't which is why we are FORCED to pay |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Really? Personal Choice. Okay. It's a personal choice to |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Having a child is a choice |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. Not always -- in fact, I'd guess it's rare (n/t) |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. What? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. The number one cause is the sex drive... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Yes |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #86 |
100. Many people have accidents... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #100 |
108. Pregnacy yes, children no |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
113. No. Because people have children that they cannot afford. |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
17. are they going to charge people who engage in extreme sports? |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
61. how about |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
27. Deleted sub-thread |
hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
30. Why stop there? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. Won't those assholes be surprised when they find out |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. But but but but but but but that's because of second-hand smoke!!!! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
52. HR676 - Single Payer |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
58. Welcome to Universal or one-payer health care . . . |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. No, you wouldn't...not with single-payer |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #70 |
102. Exactly! nt |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
69. Does this include pipes and cigars? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Yep, doesn't include these though... |
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liberal renegade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
99. Somebody give me a smoke..... |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
106. where does the money go? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
121. They're just marketing it wrong. |
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