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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:28 AM
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Rice: Now is time for Palestinian state
Source: AP

RAMALLAH, West Bank - Secretary of State Condoleezza said Monday it was "time for the establishment of a Palestinian state," and described Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts as the most serious in years.

An international peace conference expected to take place in Annapolis, Md., in November has to be substantive, Rice said at a news conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

"We frankly have better things to do than invite people to Annapolis for a photo op," she said.

Israelis and Palestinians, Rice added, are making their "most serious effort" in years to resolve the conflict.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071015/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_rice
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:31 AM
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1. Condi! Step away from the crack pipe...
Is there any member of this Administration that isn't totally delusional?!
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:22 AM
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29. Its like declaring, while in the middle of a serious meeting, that it's time
to play racquet ball.

WTF.

It will probably distract the media for a couple days though.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:42 AM
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35. It's no wonder the rest of the world thinks we're idiots....
The international media, not nearly as stupid and gullible as our own (Olbermann excepted, of course) doesn't fall for the "Lets Say It REALLY LOUD" approach to spin. Personal smears and Big Lies don't travel very far in the international echo chamber.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:29 AM
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31. No, there isn't. nt
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:31 AM
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33. What does your name mean?
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 12:36 AM by Flabbergasted
sfexpat2000. San Fransisco Ex-patriot 2000?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:43 AM
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38. We were in HelLa from 2000 for a few years. n/t
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:34 AM
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2. "But we'll settle for the photo-op, better things to do notwithstanding . . . "
What if we had a Secretary of State and nobody cared?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:42 AM
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4. What if? nt
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:36 AM
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3. will it be bigger than a breadbox, Condi? Israel has already taken
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 08:40 AM by Tom Joad
most of the West Bank.
with its annexation wall and the Israeli control and ethnic cleansing taking place in the Jordan Valley.
This "State" Israel says the Palestinians can have will be nothing more than a series of Bantustans... maybe that's enough for the likes of Abbas, but it will not be enough to bring real peace for Palestinians and Israelis.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:45 AM
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5. Which Dem candidate do you think could get this done?
Because this administration certainly isn't going to do anything about the situation.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:49 AM
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6. Which democratic president
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 08:49 AM by midlife_mo_Jo
can assure LASTING peace from the palestinian side who will never be happy until they control all of Israel?

I don't think such a person exists, frankly, from either party.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:07 AM
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8. 'control all of Israel'
oh please, the palestinians have long ago given up hope on getting all of Palestine back, as you well know. The question is, will the israeli side ever give up complete control of the west bank and gaza? that is the real situation, not some fiction about palestinians controlling israel in any way, shape of form.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:26 AM
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10. comments such as Pal wanting to control all of Israel is the reason why NOTHING
gets done and people continue to live in state of fear.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:02 AM
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12. There's no reason to believe that
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 10:03 AM by midlife_mo_Jo
a small minority won't continue to create havoc and terror. None.

That minority continues to believe that Israel doesn't have a right to even exist, and they will never be satisfied.

Go ahead and play your "fear" card. Yeah, I'm just stupid and fearful because I happen to take this small group of Palestinians at their word. After all, they don't "really" mean what they say. They're just bluffing.

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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:40 AM
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15. There are nutcases everywhere
H3ll, I'm sure you could find some 'necks down south that to this day would love to secede from the U.S. I say, give peace a chance, and let the Palestinians have their own country, (including East Jerusalem), and give them a land corridor to connect the West Bank and Gaza.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:08 PM
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23. Including right here on DU n/t
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:30 PM
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24. Just like there's naive people everywhere
including right here on DU.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:56 PM
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28. Just like there are fear based people here on DU
who can't even fucking CONJUGATE THE VERB "TO BE"!!!!!
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:50 AM
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36. Hey, buddy,
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 07:57 AM by midlife_mo_Jo
Even with our differences of opinion, I have attempted to extend the olive branch to you during more heated arguments.

You, however, have continued to attack me, probably because I remind you that most democrats don't want to turn the U.S. into Cuba. We want a mixed economy with strong social programs and corporate regulation. Must suck to be you, huh? You'll never get your dream, and you know it.

You're officially on my ignore list. As a matter of fact, you have the honor of being the first.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:31 PM
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25. but which minorities? the Israeli terrorists, or the Palestinian ones?
not that it matters, both are equally bloodthirsty and guilty.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:04 AM
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13. Control all of Israel?
They don't control any of Palestine yet. They aren't allowed airports or free trade of commerce. Israel already in the discussions has stated its military must have free reign in the West Bank even after a Palestinian state is created. These talks won't go anywhere because the status quo benefits Israel. They can continue to grow where they wish to grow and get all the aid they need to run their economy from the U.S.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:01 AM
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18. Oh my goodness, are you from Odessa by any chance?
I know most folks here in Midland would agree with you and yet couldn't find the 'West Bank' on a map.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:04 AM
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20. I wonder...
...if "midlife_mo_Jo" has the Joementum? :crazy:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:44 AM
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22. I not sure if poster does indeed understand Senator Joseph Lieberman
and his politics. :shrug: But perhaps you're correct.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:32 PM
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26. LOL! ! ! !
stop before I spill my drink.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:08 AM
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37. "...who will never be happy until they control all of Israel? "
The depth of your ignorance is astounding.

First of all, um, no. All the Palestinians want is for the Israelis to vacate the occupied territories, and allow them to establish an independent Palestinian nation as per the UN mandate in 1947-8.

Second of all, it was ALL Palestinian land in the first place. Keep that in mind

If a foreign population came to the hills of WV and kicked me off of MY land, you can bet your ass that I would fight them to the death. So would many, many of my neighbors. And yeah, I'd probably teach my children to fight for what is rightfully theirs as well.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:53 AM
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7. Uh-oh, the fundies aren't going to like this...
Maybe she's doing it so that Israel will only have to look after Israelis once Condi is done starting a nuclear war...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:24 AM
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9. She is working on her legacy this last few months (another article posted about this)
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:05 AM
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14. I think they want to do this before they are out of office so if the
next administration does make some gains they can claim they started it.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:29 AM
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32. I've always wondered at the contention that the US can make any difference there
at any time. It's nice for Israel but we are hardly viewed as an impartial arbiter in the conflict.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:27 AM
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30. Her Legacy will be one of incompetence and being the Sec State that
looked like she wanted to bite your head off all the time. Literally and figuratively.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:41 AM
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34. What fucking legacy?
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 12:44 AM by Kool Kitty
The only thing I can remember her doing was shopping for Ferragamos (sp?) and seeing "Spamalot" while New Orleans drowned. Some legacy.


My bad-I completely forgot her lack of imagination about how terrorists might attack us, even after receiving a briefing on a warning entitled, "Osama Bin Laden determined to attack in the US". Useless. Might just be the worst Sec of State we have ever had. Certainly one of the most ineffectual.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:28 AM
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11. no condi, the time was several years ago before you and your
husband* took a giant dump on the middle east.

good god, she is that stupid.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:42 AM
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16. She needs to be fired for being stupid.
The time for this was a long time ago, she was too busy shoe shopping to care.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:50 AM
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17. will the Stanford Community remember Condi's stance
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:03 AM
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19. Watch every Democratic candidate...
...and most of the Publicans, too, throw Condi under the bus in their haste to assure the pro-Israel bloc (AIPAC and the fundies who want to bring about the apocalypse) that they would never pressure "our Israeli allies" in this way.

Ten bucks says Hillary will be in the lead on this, too. :puke:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:30 AM
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21. we have better things to do -- diplomatic of her??
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:40 PM
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27. What in the hell makes her think anyone respects or trusts what she has to say anymore?
She's a mouth-piece for Bush admin, which has proven itself to be the biggest partisan liars ever.

Go hang up your power jackets Condi, yer done.
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