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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:19 PM
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Silly String Finally On Its Way to Iraq (seriously...)
Source: WCBS

TRENTON, NJ (AP) -- Marcelle Shriver already had the party favors - about 80,000 cans of Silly String. Now, she finally has cause to celebrate.

After months of frustration, Shriver has finally found someone who will ship Silly String to Iraq, where troops use the foamy substance to detect trip wires on bombs.

``I'm just thrilled,'' said Shriver, whose son is a soldier in Iraq. ``I couldn't sleep too well this whole weekend thinking about it.''

But after an initial shipment went to Iraq without a hitch, she struggled to find a way to send thousands of cans she was still collecting. One problem: Silly String is an aerosol and it's considered a hazardous material, meaning only certain companies can ship it. She also encountered problems sending more shipments through the military.


Read more: http://www.wcbs880.com/Silly-String-Finally-On-Its-Way-to-Iraq/1091112



I suppose it's cheaper than actually reinforcing the Humvees...
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:25 PM
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1. Hmm, It sounds like an ingenious tactic. I would not denigrate it.
Reinforcing the Humvees and finding new ways to detect IEDs are not mutually exclusive, after all.
Being opposed to the war doesn't mean we need to be cynical about the situation our troops find themselves in. One of my colleagues at work has a son in Iraq. If this helps him come back alive I am all for it.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:27 PM
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2. I don't denigrate the tactic...
...merely the circumstances that require it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:39 PM
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3. That could work! While they're waiting for the reinforced Humvees, they need
any help they can get.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:41 PM
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4. Would have been much more useful a few years ago

when we actually did house to house searches and stuff. Now we rely on both Sunni and Shiite intelligence to conduct raids and we left the Iraqis enter first (tripping any trip wires). Anyway, it was a good idea and when we were doing house to house searches for people... it was an important tool to have. Not so much now. Still... it won't hurt, maybe as we leave (I hope) in a few months, we can leave them behind for the Iraqi children to play with.
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:55 PM
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5. they've been using Silly String there for a long time
I heard about this years ago.
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rcsl1998 Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:31 PM
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7. I Heard Of This Years Ago Also...
...but as usual, that doesn't mean that the troops have received the items or armor they need (no matter how trivial it sounds - the silly string has saved countless lives and limbs by detecting trip wires). Does anyone have the cumulative dollar figures appropriated for the MRAP Vehicles (and the additional funds approved to ship them to Iraq) versus the number of MRAP Vehicles that have actually arrived in Iraq and physically received by our troops still stuck over there?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:29 PM
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17. The USAToday article says they want 17,770 of them at more than $1Million each!
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 09:31 PM by Up2Late
(They don't actually know how much the "New and Improved" version the Army wants will cost, but the old ones are about $1 Million Dollars each.)

Army wants 10,000 new armored vehicles


By Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — The Army has decided to ask for 10,000 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected armored vehicles to counter the threat of makeshift bombs in Iraq, according to one of the program's top congressional supporters.

The new request is nearly four times the 2,700 vehicles, known as MRAPs, that the Army had sought. That's still not enough, said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., who was briefed on the change by the Defense Department. Biden cited a request this year for 17,770 of the vehicles for the Army by Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 military commander in Iraq....

(edit)

...Requests for more MRAPs may not matter, because manufacturers don't have the capacity to make them fast enough, said Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., chairman of the House subcommittee that writes the Pentagon budget. John Young, chairman of the Defense Department's MRAP Task Force, has said the Pentagon hopes to build 1,300 a month by December.

Army and Pentagon officials declined Tuesday to comment on the new MRAP request. So far, the Pentagon has ordered 6,500 MRAPs, valued at about $5 billion. The cost of the Army's new vehicles is unknown, because the newest MRAPs will cost more than the current $1 million each. They will be required to have extra protection against deadly armor-piercing weapons known as explosively formed penetrators....

(more at link) <http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-09-18-mrap_N.htm>
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:41 PM
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8. Same here on the trip wire low tech detector
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 05:43 PM by ohio2007
Actually, I'm pissed about how the media jumped on and reported the hilarious way the GI's countered the early IED's using simple Radio Shack type remote control toy joy sticks!
WTF !

oh, it was funny until word got back to "the bomb makers" they needed to modify their tactics after reading the 'field reports'.

thanks MSM for reporting the # of KIA's directly responsible for putting out such "Breaking news" items.


they never understood the 'loose lips' analogy when deadlines were to be made.
stupid phux

/screed
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:53 PM
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13. Easy solution
get the fuck out of Iraq....
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:25 PM
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16. right , even better yet
close your eyes and pretend its a bad dream and never happened
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:30 PM
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6. I heard about this several months ago
Some local group was creating care packages and looking for silly string donations to put in the packages.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:42 PM
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9. Another stunning example of bushevic incompetence.
WTF?

If that stuff helps the troops detect booby traps when entering buildings, why wasn't it provided immediately?

I know, dumb question.



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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:59 PM
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10. If Silly String is militarily useful, the Pentagon should be supplying it, not leaving it civilians
The Pentagon could buy Silly String in bulk from the manufacturer and ship it in military transports. Instead, according to the linked article, we see people donating cans at their churches. We see the coordinator of the effort holding thousands of cans that she has trouble getting to Iraq, because the military won't even transport it for her.

If only Halliburton made Silly String, things would be different.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:03 PM
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11. If the Pentagon was buying it, it would blow the military budget
since they can't seem to get anything wholesale.
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maddogesq Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:52 PM
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12. But it;s mil spec Silly String, dammit. :) NT
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:54 PM
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14. Yep, $60,000 per can and $600,000 to ship (n/t)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:13 PM
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15. Gosh, the Pentagon wouldn't want to ship something the ground troops actually need!!!
That's just what "the terrrorrists" would expect them to do!:banghead: :eyes:
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