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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:27 AM
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Bush wants $46 billion more for wars
Source: AP

Bush wants $46 billion more for wars By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer
2 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - President Bush will ask Congress for another $46 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and finance other national security needs, The Associated Press has learned.

The figure, which Bush was expected to announce later Monday at the White House, brings to $196.4 billion the total requested by the administration for operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere for the budget year that started Oct. 1. It includes $189.3 billion for the Defense Department, $6.9 billion for the State Department and $200 million for other agencies.

The figures were disclosed by congressional officials briefed on the request this morning and who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made.

The Iraq war, now in its fifth year, already has cost more than $455 billion, with stepped-up military operations running about $12 billion a month. The war has claimed the lives of more than 3,830 members of the U.S. military and more than 73,000 Iraqi civilians.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071022/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_war_spending
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:29 AM
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1. Criminy. I can't wait to hear the reaction to this one. Or will we get the
silver platters out to present the cash on?
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:30 PM
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16. What the money we're spending could be doing instead....
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/recent/
http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=207&id=319&task=view

The people who make decisions on behalf of American citizens seem immune to pleas of mercy, to the human cost, to the heartache that the loss of these young people and their suffering have caused so many of the rest of us. They refuse to send their own into battle, yet are callous to the deaths of nearly 4,000 and over 27,660 wounded soldiers that have sacrificed life and limb for this horrible conflict. It is patriotic to support the soldiers. It is patriotic to give them all the help and compensation they deserve to come home and live healthy again. It's UNPATRIOTIC to send them there in the first place. I don't know what else to do but attend rallys, yell and holler, blog, write my congressman, and speak out. I wish my voice counted for something. I hear the protests all day every day on the news and internet, in coffee shops, in churches, the anger, the disillusionment, the frustration but it doesn't seem to be heard by the people who make the decisions.

Perhaps they will listen to the crisp crinkle of dollars. Here's some of what our nations taxes and debt could be doing if we were able to use it for worthwhile endeavors.


What the money we're spending could be doing instead....
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?op ...

The War In Iraq Costs SO FAR...

$456,172,238,408

Instead, we could have insured
273,157,028
children for one year.

Instead, we could have built
4,107,403
additional housing units.


Instead, we could have hired
7,905,524
additional public school teachers for one year.

Instead, we could have paid for
60,420,205
children to attend a year of Head Start.


Instead, we could have provided
22,114,244
students four-year scholarships at public universities.

SO FAR, and the counter is running with $4,100 for every American household;
$1,500 for every American;
$3,400 for every taxpayer;
$11 million per hour and;
$275 million per day.

Think what that amount of money could have done if we'd invested it in alternative energy sources. At $4,100 per household, we could have made solar, wind, or other natural and renewable sources of energy available to each home in America, making oil and coal nearly obsolete in the heating and cooling of our homes. If we'd spent that on our auto industries and created more fuel efficient, cleaner, or even electric transportation, think what that could do for our dependence on oil and the unstable countries we do business with.

I do sincerely hope that our nation will be able to hold George Bush and his cronies, and the companies he is in bed with accountable for this war and what it's cost all of us. I believe he should be held accountable for what has happened to Iraq, and on some part, the loss of lives of the Iraqi people. He is a war president as he always hoped, but he's also a war criminal and should be prosecuted as such. The money hurts now, but the loss of our military strength, the reputation and integrity of our nation, the loss of esteem of the nations of the world and so much more are the true legacy of George W. Bush.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:35 PM
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18. Nice post! Welcome to DU
Don't get discouraged! Keep doing what you are doing, but try to change the minds of voters right now so that we can get some anti-war folks in office in '08, especially an anti-war Prez (and that means not taking who the media is cramming down our throats).
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:32 AM
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3. If the DEMS don't shoot this down,
I'm about through with them.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:41 AM
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6. I'm beginning to think that's the whole point in asking for this.
He knows how infuriating it is for rank and file Democrats every time Pelosi caves in and so he keeps pushing the limit for political reasons.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:18 AM
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45. Shoot this down? HA! They keep bringing the bills to the floor!
They could block them, BUT WON'T. That's all I have to say.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:02 AM
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49. if they just table it, I'm done. nt
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:38 AM
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4. Who's going to pay for this?
He just turned down $32 billion for children's health care saying it was fiscally irresponsible. Where's the accountability? Over the last 3 months he's changed his war funding figures 3 times. He started off at $100 billion, then $150 billion, now he wants $200 billion! I wish I could say unbelievable.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:16 PM
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11. we are.
is this outrageous, this man is totally out of control. We all know he is going to use this money for Iran unfortunately.
Enough with this pre emptive shit.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:17 PM
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12. Do you imagine one Dem making that case? I hope so-we'll see. nt
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:36 PM
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19. Feingold will. n/t
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:14 PM
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27. Wait: next week it will be $250 billion...
And the week after Halloween, it will be $300 billion, and on, and on...

Scary.



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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:14 PM
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30. That's TOO MUCH MONEY!! We are going to go bankrupt.
This crazy spending MUST STOP.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:54 PM
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39. Not to mention Heating assistance for many elderly this winter.
Freeze to death, starve, die of sickness that could have been prevented with medical attention: Bush could care less..
What's a few less people to worry about. He'll just lump them all together with the other "costs of war."
Its War. People die.
Actually I believe everytime he asks for a war increase, he's laundering a good portion of it into his and his 'base's' bank accounts. Safely stashed out of the US.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:40 AM
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5. We're fiscally responsible when it comes to American children.
But anything goes if it's for war.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:49 AM
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7. Don't give it to him.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:50 AM
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8. that's what it's all about
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:51 AM
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9. the dems will hand him the money with a grovelling smile n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:55 PM
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43. On their knees
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:05 PM
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10. Insane
the dimwits,most of them are just rethugs in drag.Its time for Nancy and her nitwits to move on.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:22 PM
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13. Seriously? Can't he get a two-for-one special or something?
Man, it's a good thing we don't have anything in this country that needs to be paid for.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:25 PM
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14. and scumbag nancy will tell us how necessary it is
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:30 PM
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15. in the meantime ...
no money for children's health care. No money for those needing energy assistance this year.

Priority: *'s WAR against We the People. :mad:

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:33 PM
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17. What do you want to bet this will sail through the House again
and Feingold will be the only dissenting vote in the Senate?

These losers will give him anything he wants and he knows it. He just asks Halliburton, Big Oil, and Blackwater how much they want and then presents a bill to Congress which they gleefully serve to him without question.

Few of them will stand up for us, this war, our money, our soldiers, and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:01 PM
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21. Sure it will.
And that's why Bush keeps doing it. He knows Pelosi won't confront him over war funding and that every time she caves in the Democratic base gets more and more frustrated and angry with their leadership. It's a game of political chicken that will just go on and on until the democratic party grows a spine.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:51 PM
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20. That explains Shrub's* veto of SCHIP funding
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:02 PM
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22. "The Iraq war...already has cost more than $455 billion,..
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 01:04 PM by Zorra
...has claimed the lives of more than 3,830 members of the U.S. military and more than 73,000 Iraqi civilians."

If there is even the tiniest smidgen of justice in this world, Bu*h will be arrested, immediately after leaving office, if not sooner. He will then be tried and convicted for treason against the people of the United States, and crimes against humanity. All his money and all his assets will be confiscated and distrbuted among his victims. And his name will go down in the books in shame as the biggest loser in US history.

And that goes for Cheney and the rest of his fascist PNAC pals that lied us into this senseless war as well.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:21 PM
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28. Only Dennis will do that.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 02:24 PM by Amonester
The others 98% of delegates (so far...) will vote for will not issue a whistle about going after the asylum thieves who rob billions, and murder thousands.

Pretty f**cked up, isn't it?
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i want in Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:06 PM
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23. I say give him the money
But, include a repeal of the tax brake for the top 1% of the wealthy and include the funding for the schip bill. If he veto's it he doesn't support the troops.


Oh, Don't forget to include a time table for withdrawal of the troops in Iraq for fiscal responsibility.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:15 PM
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24. Great idea, except what Shrub will do is veto it, then say the Dems
don't support the troops. They won't say it the other way around. The media will trumpet "Democrats don't support the troops". Then they'll all cave like the spineless enablers they have proven themselves to be.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:42 PM
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32. Love your suggestions. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:49 PM
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25. how long before the Dems cave to this demand?
10 minutes? 10 hours? 10 days?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:53 PM
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26. More money for war, less money for healthcare.
It's (apparently) the American way.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:45 PM
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29. bttft and recommend!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:38 PM
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31. What's his problem ? Just have Bernanke print some more up...
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:48 PM
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33. And have the myth of "cold, hard cash" blown up in front of all America?
In their minds, it's probably bad enough that some of us know the truth about the pieces of paper. If everyone knew it, I bet the gov't would die on the spot.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:40 PM
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37. We're in for a ride on the 'Wayback Machine" remember '73-80 ?
And the WIN (whip inflation now) buttons ? It took a serious Carter administration and Amory Lovin's conservation measures to get the price of oil to drop. But Dr K was counseling Iran to raise oil prices in order to buy surplus US war materiel from Vietnam era and to prop up the M/I complex.

This is partly why you see the 'ten years in Iraq minimum' (2013) that you see the media pushing. It was hinted at in the article citing an MI6 assessment from 1973

"The British warned in their assessment that any occupation of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi might have to last as long as 10 years. The use of force would also anger and alienate Arab countries and irritate the Soviet Union, although a military confrontation with the country would be unlikely, the document stipulated."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

Times changed but the GOP/neocons never changed and they just changed 'Saudi Arabia' to 'Iraq' and voila, here we are today. Squandering 30 years worth of time.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:44 PM
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38. That's been the problem
these are the same ghouls from Nixon era to Iran-Contra to today. These f***ing dinosaurs need to be buried in history's dustbin.

Instead, we get the same garbage over and over again. You'd think we'd learn.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:48 PM
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34. Hey Bush!
Screw you! No more money, no more troops! You can provide them yourself!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:53 PM
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35. Cut the funding.
End the war.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:17 PM
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36. Can't a Senator put a "hold" on this?
because it would be freaking great if Feingold or some other patriotic senator stalled it until Bush agreed to PUT IT IN THE FREAKING BUDGET.

i'm sick of putting this BS war on generations of americans who aren't even BORN yet.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:22 PM
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40. this asshole politicizes a medal of honor for this insane request for money
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:50 PM
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41. Shut off funding for this f@ucking war and claim credit for saving $200B a year.
Do it the Republic way and spin the he!! out of it. Shut it down and claim that we reduced taxes by $200 billion a year, money that the Republics wanted to charge the taxpayers.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:36 PM
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42. This monster wants 46 billion more ...
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:41 PM by Greylyn58
to continue his illegal, immoral war. Yet...YET when Congress asks for more money to increase the S-CHIP program--money needed to help the children of this country whose families can not afford health care for them, he gets out his little VETO pen and says "NO!"

Well Congress here is your chance to tell the bastard no. No more money to fund Death and Blood and War.
And don't let him say Democrats don't support the troops. Tell him he doesn't support the needy children right here in his own damn country!!! How about that????

:grr: :grr: :grr:

edited to add: I personally think it time we put a forensic accountant on the payroll. We should know exactly where the hell all this money has gone because it sure as hell hasn't gone for the troops. I think we need to find out precisely who is getting a piece of the government pie...the troops or "Others".






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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:28 AM
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44. guess Hallibutron's 19% increase in profits wasn't enough . . .
and, of course, we have to feed the Blackwater monster . . . and finish that mini-nation Bush calls an embassy . . . and blow up some more shit . . . and kill some more people . . .

hell, $46 million is cheap! . . . :sarcasm:
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:54 AM
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46. $49 Billion for War, but not $7 Billion for Sick Kids
Rot in hell, you evil bastard...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:10 AM
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47. The figure I heard this a.m. was $196 billion? The number in the headline is misleading.
$196.4 billion the total requested
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:49 AM
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50. The article is written in a confusing manner
that suggests a deliberate attempt to mislead and misinform a casual reader or a headline skimmer, which I believe most Americans are, whether they're hurriedly scanning through a newspaper or catching a glimpse of the latest 'headline news' on cable television. At the bottom of the article, are figures that more accurately reflect reality.

I wonder why the author chose to use the figure, "46 billion", in the headline.

And the ambiguous statements by Democratic leaders, does not sound promising.

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:29 AM
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48. "Absolutely, Mr. President!"

"Getouddahere, kids, y'bothah me! There's a WAR to be fought. Whatd'ya think, this is about YOU? If you get healthy, the terrorists WIN! Why do you all hate America?"
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:54 PM
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51. I would like to see a comparison of total cost for war and what it would have bought for us...
spent someplace else. You know, like, how many college 4 year degrees it would have provided...or how much health care the money would have given us....I'm just amazed at the expense of DEATH.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:52 PM
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52. Tell him the only way we will give him the money is if..
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 05:53 PM by mvd
that SCHIP bill (very similar version) is attached. If still vetoed, no more money. If there's no money for kids, there's no money for the occupation. I prefer no more money for the occupation, period. The only reason I'd make an exception is the importance of the SCHIP bill.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:59 PM
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53. Republican priorities.....
killing & maiming vs healing & caring. Why is it we can spend all this money on a country that doesn't want us but nothing for our own at home.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:13 PM
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54. When was the last time he asked for more money to kill people?
Seems like it was not that long ago...

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