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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:10 PM
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Cuba responds to Bush
Source: Granma Digital

Cuba responds to Bush
REPLYING to three spurious initiatives for Cuba proposed by George Bush in Washington on
October 24, Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque set out 12 points “covering what the
U.S. president should propose as aid” to the island.He warned that time is running out for the
U.S. president but that does not make him less dangerous.

{snip}

Pérez Roque noted the fact that “Bush is leaving open the option of a hypothetical and fantasy internal uprising that everybody knows is politically impossible because the Revolution has the support of the people,” but also leaves open the possibility of an external aggression.

“Time is running out for Bush but that does not make him any less dangerous,” the minister warned, adding that in his Washington speech he made “a vain and ridiculous attempt to recruit” our Armed Forces and the Ministry of the Interior, whose lives he would spare if they betrayed the Revolution.

“I have a message for you, you are raving, you are talking to an army of liberation” and to security combatants who have prevented more than 600 assassination attempts on Fidel. You are mistaken, you do not know this people, who are not in the category of the mercenaries whom you pay here.”

“Cuba’s reaction is one of indignation, but of absolute serenity and confidence in our strength. The word in order here is courage.


Read more: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2007/octubre/mier24/43felipe-i.html



Good response for Perez Roque. Deserves a complete read.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:12 PM
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1. Whoa - Right on, Minister Rogue! nt
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:14 PM
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2. They know the Bush doctrine.
More of Roque's response..
He noted that the policy in force within the Bush regime is a change of regime in Cuba “including via the use of force,” which the U.S. leader calls “accelerating the process of transition” and Fidel describes as “the re-conquest of Cuba by force.”

The foreign minister analyzed the “threatening and arrogant language” of the speech in the White House and the significant change of words and concepts.

“In January 2004,” he stated, “Bush talked of ‘working toward a rapid and peaceful transition to democracy;’ in May it was ‘speeding up the day that Cuba would become a free country;’ and, in October, ‘the Cuban people should be freed.’

“Three years later, last June,” the minister noted, “Bush advocated ‘heavy pressure for the freedom of Cuba;’ and now he is saying in this speech; ‘the word in order in our future dealings with Cuba is not stability, it is freedom.’

“Cuba understands these words as an irresponsible act that reflects the level of frustration and calls for violence to defeat the Revolution.”
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:05 AM
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4. Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque's 12 conditions make a whole lot more sense than Bush's!
1. Respect for Cubans’ right to their independence and sovereignty.

2. An immediate end to the policy of aggression and threat.

3. An end to intervention in Cuba’s internal affairs and attempts to manufacture an internal opposition.

4. An end to subversive acts against Cuba and the dismantling of the radio and television that offend the name of the national hero (José Martí).

5. The immediate lifting of the blockade.

6. The elimination of the ban on travel to Cuba by U.S. citizens and family visits by Cubans living there.

7. An end to the stimulation of illegal emigration from Cuba. The repeal of the Cuban Adjustment Act and the fulfillment of the Migratory Agreements.

8. An end to the aggressive disinformation campaigns.

9. The release of the five anti-terrorist fighters, political prisoners in U.S. jails.

10. The extradition of the terrorist Luis Posada Carriles to Venezuela or his trial in the United States.

11. The immediate closure of the torture center he created on the Guantánamo Naval Base.

12. The cessation of pressure on the international community to support his anti-Cuba policy.
Also, very apt description of Bush's scheme for future moves against Cuba:
“the re-conquest of Cuba by force.”
Bush can't live with the thought even one country might be left unmolested before he leaves office.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:36 AM
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5. Bush speech welcomed by many Cuban exiles
Bush speech welcomed by many Cuban exiles
Posted on Wed, Oct. 24, 2007
BY CASEY WOODS
cwoods@MiamiHerald.com

In Miami's Cuban exile community, President Bush's speech was well-received by many, though some questioned whether his proposals would have any practical effect, and Fidel Castro's daughter in exile wondered if the presidential race was a factor.

Diego Suarez, head of the conservative Cuban Liberty Council, applauded Bush's direct message for Cuban citizens, children and the members of the military to press on for democratic reforms.

''This was the invitation from the president to the people in Cuba to change the situation'' by protesting in the street, Suarez said.
(snip)

Bush's speech comes as Democrats are buoyed by reports that suggest South Florida's once solidly Republican Cuban-American voting block is no longer monolithically GOP. The Herald reported in August that less than half of Miami-Dade county's Hispanic voters are registered Republicans, down from 59 percent less than a decade ago.

More:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/283272.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:59 AM
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6. Here are some people protesting in the streets of Cuba Bush seems to have completely overlooked.
They are protesting Bush's protection of Cuban "exile" bomber/mass murderer of Cuban citizens, as well as many others on a Cubana airliner in flight, Luis Posada Carriles.



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:19 AM
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7. Concerning the Bush pet bomber/mass murderer, Luis Posada Carriles,
some may find the following worth reading:
Monday, May 7th, 2007
Documents Linked to Cuban Exile Luis Posada Carriles Highlighted Targets for Terrorism Including Cuban Airliner Downed in 1976

~snip~
The anti-Castro Cuban militant and former CIA operative Luis Posada Carriles is set to stand trial in El Paso, Texas later this week. Posada is linked to a series of deadly attacks, including the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed 73 people. But in a move decried around the world, Posada will not be standing trial for terrorism. Instead, immigration charges – accused of lying to U.S. authorities when he came into the country two years ago. The Bush administration has refused to extradite Posada to Cuba or Venezuela, saying he would face torture.
There are several new developments in Posada's case. Authorities have filed documents showing the FBI believes Posada plotted a series of deadly bombings in Cuba in the 1990s. Meanwhile both Posada and the U.S. government are trying to disqualify potentially damaging evidence from his trial. Defense attorneys have filed a motion to omit Posada's statements from a 2006 interview with immigration officials. For their part, government prosecutors have filed a motion to effectively bar Posada from discussing his ties with the CIA.

Former President George H.W. Bush headed the CIA at the time of the October 1976 bombing of the Cuban airliner that killed 73 people. These developments come as the public-interest documentation center the National Security Archive has released new information further linking Posada to that attack.
(snip)

Well, you know, legal documents in various investigations sometimes are under court seal. They're very difficult to get. These are documents that I have been trying to get for well over a year now. There exists a rich body of international evidence on the bombing of Cubana Flight 455. This is evidence that was gathered in Trinidad, when Hernan Ricardo and his accomplice Freddy Lugo were arrested after the plane was blown up, evidence generated by Cuban investigators, evidence that was presented to a commission in Barbados, and declassified US intelligence documents, which were generated by the bombing, as well.

And all of this evidence is not only immediately relevant to a discussion of Posada's guilt and the issue of bringing him to justice for the bombing of this plane, but it's also relevant to investigators looking at the whole issue of how major jets can be brought down by liquid explosives. In this case, we had Posada engineering a bomb, apparently, that was a C4 explosive stuffed into a Colgate toothpaste tube. And so, this could not be more relevant to the issue of detecting and deterring the use of liquids and gels today on planes that pose a threat to innocent civilians traveling abroad.
(snip)
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/07/1411207

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's right, a bomber living in the U.S. created the first bomb in a toothpaste tube used to blow up an airliner! During the time Bush #41 headed the C.I.A.

Damned creepy, isn't it?

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:34 AM
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8. Bush's conscienceless pandering to the Cuban exile community
in order to create republican votes and voters is pathetic and nauseating. Just another example of a really bad man surrounded by really bad fellow gangsters.
Just sad, further proof of the current and former status of what could be a great nation, immersing itself in the blood and guts of senseless terrorism.

We are the terrorists of the world and have been living an expanding role in terrorism for more than two hundred years. Little wonder that we are feared and hated around the world.

I like Keith Olbermann's new word-- "terrorepublicans."
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:28 AM
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9. I see contradictions here
"you are talking to an army of liberation” and to security combatants who have prevented more than 600 assassination attempts on Fidel."
"internal uprising that everybody knows is politically impossible because the Revolution has the support of the people,”

Umm, okay why then the six hundred or so assassination attempts?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:01 AM
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10. No contradiction. Those were CIA/exile attempts.
The overwhelming majority of Cubans revere the Castro brothers as the revolutionary heroes that they are. Neither were coke snortin' frat boys who skipped out on their service to their country. Both faced the enemy in battle (Batista's US backed army & henchmen) directly, many times.

You might want to check out this documentary.

638 Ways to Kill Castro
http://www.638waystokillcastro.com/

===

Ileana Ros Lehtinen recently encouraging assassination attempt on Castro..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MunPrYJWy0
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:27 AM
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12. What a shame Ileana Ros-Lehtinen got knocked off her perch on the International Relations
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 09:32 AM by Judi Lynn
Committee when the Democrats took over, moving her to the Ranking Member slot.

Her poisonous presence there is going to be diminished, unfortunately for her faction.



Thanks for the reminder this gargoyle was captured on tape advocating murder. Very ugly. Of course, it's not so inconsistant, is it, when people know she was elected to office, with Jeb Bush's help, as her campaign manager, running on the promise of securing a pardon for Orlando Bosch, the other major creator of the mass murder of all those people flying on the Cuban airliner Flight 455.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:23 AM
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13. Her 1st campaign slogan in Miami was "Free Orlando Bosch". I'm not kidding.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 10:23 AM by Mika
Amy Goodman interview with Ann Louise Bardach, journalist and author.
http://democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/148243
ANN LOUISE BARDACH: First of all, I would tell you that the climate is very different. I disagree with the way that’s characterized. As I discuss in my book and many other stories I have written about Cuba and Miami, Orlando Bosch was celebrated. The climate is radically different between -- since 9/11. When Orlando Bosch arrived in Miami, he was celebrated. At that time a woman named Ileana Ros-Lehtinen was running for Congress. She would be the first Cuban American elected, which she was. Her campaign manager was a man named Jeb Bush; it was one of his first big political jobs. And one of the cornerstones of Ileana’s Congressional run was “Free Orlando Bosch.” Because when he arrived in the U.S. he had, you know, an outstanding parole violation, and he was arrested, and everybody in justice, in F.B.I., and C.I.A. wanted to kick him out of the country. Well, at that time, Jeb Bush's father was Vice President of the United States and later president. So, there is an overlapping period in there through the whole Bosch period. And anyway, Bosch was given residency, and there actually was what they called “Orlando Bosch Day” in Miami. And there was a huge celebration in the Orange Bowl. That's not going on with Posada. Posada has slipped in. He hasn't shown his face. We don't know where he is. And this is the post-9/11 environment. And it is now very embarrassing. By the way, previous to 9/11, most Americans don't know this, but quite a few Cuban exile militants who have been convicted of murder have been released. I don't think the average person knows that the killers of -- who were convicted for the crime of the car bombing of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt, a man named Suarez and another man named Paz, were both released from prison just weeks before 9/11, again at the intercession of Miami politicians and Jeb Bush, and they talked John Ashcroft into releasing them. I think that it was very embarrassing after 9/11. I mean, these were -- both men were convicted of that crime. I believe, off the top of my head, that for the murder of those two people, one an American citizen, they spent seven years.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:49 AM
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14. You know there's something ugly going on when an American President releases two bombers
who killed a Chilean diplomat and his American assistant in broad daylight on the streets of Washington, D.C. (also injuring his assistant's husband) simply because they didn't like his leftist politics.



(car burning right after being bombed)



~snip~
Eigth Indicted in Letelier Slaying
Timothy S. Robinson with Lawrence Meyer and Christopher Dickey
The Washington Post, 2 August 1978

After a 22-month investigation, a federal grand jury here yesterday indicted the former head of Chile's secret police DINA) and seven others in the bombing death of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier on Washington's Embassy Row. The indictment of Gen. Juan Manuel Contreras Sepulveda, a close associate of Chilean President Augusto Pinochet, was believed to be the first ever returned in the United States against a high official of a foreign country's intelligence agency. Contreras, two DINA operatives in Chile and five Cuban exiles living in the United States were charged by the grand jury with plotting, carrying out and covering up the September 1976 murder of Letelier, a prominent and outspoken critic of the Chilean government at the time. The explosion that ripped through Letelier's 1975 Chevelle also killed an aide, Ronni K. Moffitt, and injured her husband.

The Chilean government last night announced the arrest of Contreras and two other Chileans named in the indictment, DINA operations director Pedro Espinoza Bravo and DINA agent Armando Fernandez Larios. In a statement issued by Interior Minister Sergio Fernandez, Chile said all three had been placed under military detention. The Chilean statement came hours after Assistent US Attorney Eugene M. Propper reported that the United States government would ask for the arrest and jailing for extradition of the three. But the request for extradition was expected to touch off a complicated legal proceedings. The indictment accuses Espinoza of ordering the assassination during a meeting in Chile and Fernandez of coming to the United States to spy on Letelier so that the assassins would know when to strike. The Cubans, members of the New Jersey-based Cuban Nationalist Movement, a militant anti-Castro group, are accused of helping to carry out the bombing.

The 15-page indictment was explicitly detailed because of the cooperation with US authorities of American-born DINA agent Michael Townley, who has agreed to plead guilty to planting the bomb. The indictment outlines with precision the alleged plot that resulted in the 9:30 a.m. blast on Sept. 21, 1976, on the placid Sheridan Circle area of the embassies, chanceries and diplomats' homes. Letelier was killed instantly when the bomb atop the A-frame of his car ripped up through the floorboards under his legs as he drove around the circle. He was on his way to work at the Institute for Policy Studies, where he had become internationally known for his outspoken criticism of the Chilean military regime. Ronni Moffitt was sitting on the passenger's side of the front seat. She died a few seconds after the blast as she staggered from the shattered, burning car. Her husband, and IPS co-worker, Michael Moffitt, suffered slight injuries. The Letelier car came to rest against a Volkswagen parked within 100 yards of the Chilean ambassador's residence, and set the stage for a massive worldwide FBI investigation into the first diplomatic assassination here.

Letelier's coworkers, and others in leftist circles, immediately accused DINA, at the time the focus of allegations of massive human rights violations and torture of political prisoners, of the bombing. They said DINA was concerned about the continuing attention that Letelier was able to focus on the Pinochet regime, and silenced him for that reason.
(snip)
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=letelier-docs_020878

Thank you for pointing this out. People need to know Bush turned his murderers loose before 9/11, after they only served several years for doing this.

If memory serves right, they were happy as clams to be on their way to Miami, and had some flippant remarks (of course!) for the reporters when interviewed.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:07 AM
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15. Adding photo of Bush's sharing platform with Cuban terrorist in Miami


Sixto Reinaldo Aquit Manrique (aka, El Chino Aquit), sharing the
platform with Bush in Miami, May 20, 2002. The UN Rapporteur
cited Aquit firing a 50 caliber machine gun at a Cypriot tanker in
Cuban waters in his 1994 annual report on human rights in Cuba.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0504/S00224.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bush and terrorist Luis Manuel Zúñiga Rey embracing
in the White House Rose Garden, May 2003
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:05 AM
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11. You've never heard of CIA attempts to murder Fidel Castro? It's hasn't been just their secret for
many, MANY years.
638 ways to kill Castro


The CIA's outlandish plots to bump off the Cuban dictator would put 007 to shame ... poison pills, toxic cigars and exploding molluscs. Once he even offered to shoot himself, reports Duncan Campbell

Thursday August 3, 2006
The Guardian

For nearly half a century, the CIA and Cuban exiles have been trying to devise ways to assassinate Fidel Castro, who is currently laid low in Cuba following an operation for intestinal bleeding. None of the plots, of course, succeeded, but, then, many of them would probably be rejected as too fanciful for a James Bond novel.

Fabian Escalante, who, for a time, had the job of keeping El Commandante alive, has calculated that there have been a total of 638 attempts on Castro's life. That may sound like a staggeringly high figure, but then the CIA were pretty keen on killing him. As Wayne Smith, former head of the US interests section in Havana, pointed out recently, Cuba had the effect on the US that a full moon has on a werewolf. It seems highly likely that if the CIA had had access to a werewolf, it would have tried smuggling it into the Sierra Maestra at some point over the past 40-odd years.

The most spectacular of the plots against Castro will be examined in a Channel 4 documentary entitled 638 Ways to Kill Castro, as well as in a companion book of the same name written by the now-retired Escalante - a man who, while in his post as head of the Cuban secret service, played a personal part in heading off a number of the plots. While the exploding cigar that was intended to blow up in Castro's face is perhaps the best-known of the attempts on his life, others have been equally bizarre.

Knowing his fascination for scuba-diving off the coast of Cuba, the CIA at one time invested in a large volume of Caribbean molluscs. The idea was to find a shell big enough to contain a lethal quantity of explosives, which would then be painted in colours lurid and bright enough to attract Castro's attention when he was underwater. Documents released under the Clinton administration confirm that this plan was considered but, like many others, did not make it far from the drawing-board. Another aborted plot related to Castro's underwater activities was for a diving-suit to be prepared for him that would be infected with a fungus that would cause a chronic and debilitating skin disease.
(snip/...)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cuba/story/0,,1835930,00.html
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:40 PM
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16. Viva Fidel!! What Bush calls political prisoners are seditionist mercenaries
in the pay of the CIA/Bush.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:42 PM
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17. If the same people lived here and took money from Cuba they would be up #### creek.
Strictly illegal here, as it is in Cuba.

Apparently it's not a well-known fact, is it? Makes the propagandists' jobs all that much easier.
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