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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:06 AM
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Bush: No attorney general if not Mukasey
Source: AP

WASHINGTON - President Bush sought to save Michael Mukasey's troubled nomination for attorney general Thursday, defending the retired judge's refusal to say whether he considers waterboarding torture and warning of a leaderless Justice Department if Democrats do not confirm him.
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"If the Senate Judiciary Committee were to block Judge Mukasey on these grounds, they would set a new standard for confirmation that could not be met by any responsible nominee for attorney general," Bush said in a speech at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

"That would guarantee that America would have no attorney general during this time of war," the president said.

The comment raised questions about whether Bush would nominate anyone else to succeed Alberto Gonzales as the nation's top law enforcer. Bush could bypass Congress by filling the job with someone serving in an acting capacity over the last 14 months of his administration.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_pr_wh/senate_mukasey_30



For once could the Democrats PLEASE call his bluff?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:08 AM
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1. Oh dear, is the Bush Baby going to have ANOTHER public tantrum?
Yep probably....just like the 4 year-old spoilt brat that he is....Jaysus, the biggest 4 year-old in an adults body I've ever really seen.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:09 AM
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2. OOOOOH! War! No AG during war!Ooooo I'm scared. Not.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:10 AM
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3. Having no attorney general is better than a torturer general.
Besides, bush already has one of the founders of the federalist society in there now as an acting attorney general. It will continue to be just another joke agency anyway as long as bush is in power.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:33 AM
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8. The difference is that the Senate will have APPROVED of
the criminal AG that * appoints.

They SHOULD turn down just about any appointment sent to them for the next 14 months.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:52 AM
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10. How is Keisler better than Mukasey?
What do you know about him beyond that he was one of the founders of the Federalist Society? Because, unbelievably, he's even worse than Mukasey. I'm all for rejecting Mukasey, but don't think, for even a minute that Keisler can't do very bad things as Acting AG.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:36 AM
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33. see post right above yours. Too often, Dems have put the stamp of approval on these steaming turds
which makes it harder to have credibility when they criticize them later.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:14 AM
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42. I've said they should reject Mukasey for that reason. That still
doesn't make Keisler any better than Mukasey. And I'm convinced, given his history, that's he's incurring great damage right now. Sh
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:58 PM
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52. Couldn't agree with you more...Fuck'em...We don't need to stinky, crooked AG!
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:14 AM
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4. At his next "public" appearance,
instead of delivering another one of his trademark "inspiring" speeches laying the blame for everything bad that has happened in the US for the past hundred years (including the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby and the Kennedy assassination) at the feet of this Democratic congress, the President intends to hold his breath until he turns blue. :nopity:

What an embarassing, frightening fool this man is.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:55 AM
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39. at next press conference, when he complains about Dems, they should quietly chant ''cry baby cry...
cry baby cry...'' even when he's speaking.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:16 AM
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5. Hey Bush
FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:41 AM
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6. Who cares? We are doing quite nicely without one,
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:29 AM
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7. Even better without a republicon one.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:56 AM
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11. We have one. And he's just as bad as Mukasey in every way


Actually in some ways he's worse. L. Coyote and I have posted tons here about Keisler. He's a high level BFEE member. I don't know if they can, but the JC should go after Keisler after they reject Mukasey- or rather if the reject Mukasey. Keisler is even more dangerous.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:45 AM
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50. and there's the bitter pill
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:34 AM
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9. WTF???
"If the Senate Judiciary Committee were to block Judge Mukasey on these grounds, they would set a new standard for confirmation that could not be met by any responsible nominee for attorney general,"

So he's saying that the only appropriate responsible nominee for the top LEGAL position in the land is one who is willing to torture?

What the hell kind of logic floats around in Baby Bush's head???
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 04:54 AM
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13. The kind of logic that made him defend branding students as 'no worse than cigarette burns'
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 04:55 AM by muriel_volestrangler
On Sunday, Trudeau's cartoon "Doonesbury" featured fictional character Mark Slackmeyer explaining the President's position against current anti-torture legislation by revisiting a series of 1967 Yale Daily News articles that exposed DKE's rush activities, which at the time included brandings and alleged beatings. Soon after these stories were published, the University's Inter-Fraternity Council fined the fraternity for performing "physically and mentally degrading acts," and the Times published an article in which Bush defended the brandings, comparing them to cigarette burns.

"At the time, it caused quite a stir on campus, even generating some national attention," Trudeau said.

The News article, published Nov. 3, 1967, featured a photograph of a half-inch high "D" burned into a pledge's naked backside. Trudeau drew his first cartoon for the News for the story -- a picture of smiling pledges, naked and bent over at the waist, with a figure holding a DKE branding iron standing over them.

In a News story the next day, Bush is quoted calling the branding "insignificant." He said he did not understand how the News "can assume Yale has to be so haughty not to allow this type of pledging to go on."

http://www.godeke.org/News/PhiAlumnus_GeorgeWBush9.2.htm


And that was the first the world heard of George W. Bush. Bush has always approved of torture. He always will. It may be quite true that he cannot understand people who don't. Torture is a fundamental part of his personality. He gave up drinking; but he could never give up torturing.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:40 AM
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45. Last time I heard
Cigarette burn is a common torture method.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:24 AM
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24. All or nothing-with us or against us-black and white
The most obvious example was the immigration bill which he painted as a one-time fix-all have to have it all or not at all pick which side you are on line in the sand.

This is the poltics-over-all that we are dealing with right now.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:01 AM
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28. What standard is Stupidhead talking about?
I'm mystified, too. The committee questions were clearly geared toward the concept of whether or not Mukasey would feel constrained to enforce the law of the land against all of its citizens. Mukasey's answers indicated that for members of the Bush administration, the CIA, and other unnamed folks, the phrase "equal justice under law" was a pretty flexible if now downright fungible concept.

I don't think that's the standard for the nation's chief law enforcement official, Mr. Bush.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 04:29 AM
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12. bush must think America isn't aware of the game he's playing. Rove isn't providing bush with enough
details to make this ploy work... bush is coming across as a petulant poopy-diapered sissy-boy, and anyone who doesn't have the balls to define what torture is, they don't deserve to even be a lawyer.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:45 AM
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14. He will hold his breath till congress says what he wants to hear...
Bush is America's oldest brat!
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:44 AM
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26. He is behaving like a spoiled child, isn't he?
Throwing a temper tantrum 'cause he's not getting his way.

Hey, George: Grow the fuck up!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:48 AM
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36. I fear we will have 15 more months of the same.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:57 AM
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15. And to think that they question Kucinich when he says bu$h has a mental problem
This just keeps getting more bizarre every day.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:58 AM
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16. Somebody give him some cheddar with that whine
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:52 AM
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27. ... and a few pretzels ...
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cartach Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:07 AM
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17. Country is better off without
one.One less of those bastards no matter what office,and especially that of the attorney-general,can only be a positive thing.Hey George,take your Mukasey and go home.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:17 AM
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18. If there is no AG, it will be HIS fault. n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:20 AM
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19. Good! One Less to Prosecute!
Thanks for the break, George!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:31 AM
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20. So screw you, Justice Department. And Justice, for that matter.
Says the chimp.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:35 AM
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21. Good. Let's do it that way
:shrug:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:48 AM
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22. His tantrum habit is up to one-a-day lately.
The dick-tater really needs to get a grip.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:31 AM
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25. same tune, different locale.
Health care forum for greedy insurers
Heritage Fondlers
where today, I wonder?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:09 AM
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23. This guy acts like the most spoiled brat on the planet.
I've never seen such a pouty, immature adult . . . and to think he's the one who can press the nuke button. One year, 2 months and 22 days left.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:35 AM
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32. Paris Hilton would be a more thoughtful, mature president than Bush
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:55 AM
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49. Whining is hot.
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angryxyouth Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:05 AM
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29. Look out for recess appointment.
Congress needs a list of candidates that that can parade in front of the media. If *&%$ refuses another candidate can congress fill the spot?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:18 AM
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30. This could work out quite well
Let chucklenuts keep thinking that we are actually awaiting his next bozo-crony appointment, and in the meantime let the Executive Branch dwindle down to Laura, Barney and the night watchman. Good way to wipe the slate clean before the Democrats arrive in January of 2009.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:26 AM
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31. No. It won't work out well.
As I've said, they damn well should reject Mukasey, but there's a bizarre ammount of naite on the thread. Peter Keisler is the Acting AG and a key member of the BFEE. He's actually even worse than Mukasey. If they reject Mukasey, they HAVE to do something about Keisler.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:02 PM
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55. I'm curious why you think Keisler would be out?
For all we know, once Mukasey is in, he could be neutered with all the pomp, but Keisler will be the one in charge. No different than Bush and Cheney situation.


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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:37 AM
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34. Just what I thought when I read it this morning
I don't know about you, but when my children have attempted these sort of tantrums, I simply call them on it.

Time for the Dems to do that, too.

Ok, you don't want to name an AG? Fine. Let's see you do it, big boy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:47 AM
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35. wonder if he stamped his feet as he said it?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:55 AM
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38. Exactly what I pictured!
"No, no, no! I WON'T!!!" stamp, stamp.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:51 AM
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37. regardless of what he does, the Democrats would gain some stature if they didn't cave in
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:56 AM
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40. Long past time for that, isn't it? nt
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:57 AM
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41. One less rubber stamp.
We'll take it!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:15 AM
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43. no. not true. n/t
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:42 AM
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46. He's already trying to save Bush's ass.
And he hasn't even been confirmed. You think it somehow gets better once he has the power of the AG? I think not.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:55 AM
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48. no. of course I don't want to see him confirmed.
I'm just pointing out that bush has a rubber stamp- and even more of one- in Keisler, and he'll continue to have a rubber stamp heading up Justice. He can't afford not to.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:38 AM
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44. Patrick Henry on torture, 1788, addressing the Virginia Ratifying Convention . . .




Debate in Virginia Ratifying Convention


16 June 1788

Patrick Henry:
. . . . "Congress may introduce the practice of the civil law, in preference to that of the common law. They may introduce the practice of France, Spain, and Germany--of torturing, to extort a confession of the crime. They will say that they might as well draw examples from those countries as from Great Britain, and they will tell you that there is such a necessity of strengthening the arm of government, that they must have a criminal equity, and extort confession by torture, in order to punish with still more relentless severity. We are then lost and undone."






http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendVIIIs13.html






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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:48 AM
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47. let him take his ball and go home. . . . . . don't pander to him . . . it just encourages more
ob this behaviour.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:39 AM
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51. I am so tired of hearing "We're at War"
No, the soldiers are at war and we support them. The rest of us are just sitting on our collective behinds. Or shopping - if you're a rich Repuke.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:07 PM
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53. Somebody call a WAHBULANCE!!
:cry: :cry:

Fucking baby.
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ImpeechBush Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:36 PM
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54. Guess it's going to be Mukasey then
at least according to Feinstein and Schumer
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:50 PM
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56. well, whoop de doo!
'during this time of war' !!!!!

an old tired and ultimately meaningless excuse for everything he does
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:57 AM
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57. Good, this assclown has enough 'personal' lawyers already.
"That would guarantee that Merika would have no attorney general during this time of war," the presiasshole said.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:04 AM
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58. Ugh, god, please don't let them confirm him, please don't let the Democrats cave yet again!
Let bully brat throw his tantrum - call his bluff. Going along with what he wants only rewards and emboldens him.
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